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                            Moderator: Scott Willkomm
                                February 17, 2005
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Operator:           Good morning. My name is (Christie) and I will be your
                    conference facilitator today. At this time I would like to
                    welcome everyone to the Scottish Re Fourth Quarter Earnings
                    Release conference call. All lines have been placed on mute
                    to prevent any background noise.

                    After the speakers' remarks there will be a question and
                    answer period. If you would like to ask a question during
                    this time simply press star, then the number 1 on your
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                    question press star and the number 2 on your telephone
                    keypad. Thank you.

                    I would now turn the call over to Mr. Mike French. Please go
                    ahead.

Mike French:        Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to
                    the Scottish Re fourth quarter conference call. This is Mike
                    French, the chairman of the company.

                    We'll begin the call with comments about the company's
                    financial results and give an overview of the development of
                    the company's business. And after concluding our prepared
                    remarks we'll take your questions.





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                    There'll be a recording of this call available after 1 pm
                    today running through March the 3rd and instructions on how
                    to access that were included in the conference call
                    invitation and today's earning release. Also a replay of the
                    call can be accessed on our Web site, scottishre.com.

                    Before we begin the financial overview please keep in mind
                    that certain statements that we make are forward-looking
                    statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws
                    and management cautions that forward-looking statements are
                    not guarantees and that actual results could differ
                    materially from those expressed or implied.

                    At this time I'm going to turn the call over to Scott
                    Willkomm, President and Chief Execution Officer of the
                    company, to discuss the financial results and our operations
                    for the quarter. Scott?

Scott Willkomm:     Thanks, Mike. Good morning, everyone. Scottish Re reported
                    this morning that income from continuing operations for the
                    quarter ended December 31st, 2004, was $19.5 million or 52
                    cents per diluted share as compared to $30.3 million or 82
                    cents per diluted share for the prior year period.

                    Income from continuing operations for the year ended
                    December 31, '04, was $69.8 million or $1.86 per diluted
                    share compared to $48.8 million or $1.51 per diluted share
                    for the prior year period.

                    Net operating earnings were $26 million or 69 cents per
                    diluted share for the quarter ended December 31,'04, as
                    compared to $18.3 million or 50 cents per diluted share for
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                    For the year net operating earnings amounted to $79.6
                    million or $2.12 per diluted share compared to $41 million
                    or $1.27 per diluted share for the prior year period.

                    Net operating earnings is a non-GAAP measurement and we
                    determine net operating earnings by adjusting GAAP income
                    from continuing operations, by net realized capital gains
                    and losses, the change in the value of the imbedded
                    derivatives as adjusted for the related effects of the
                    amortization of deferred acquisition costs, due diligence
                    costs and taxes related to these items.

                    While these items may be significant components in
                    understanding and assessing the company's consolidated
                    financial performance, the company believes that the
                    presentation of new operating earnings enhances the
                    understanding of its results of operations by highlighting
                    earnings that are attributable to the normal recurring
                    operations of its business. However net operating earnings
                    are not a substitute for income from continuing operations
                    determined in accordance with GAAP.

                    Net income for the quarter amounted to $19.3 million or 51
                    cents per diluted share as compared to $10.5 million or 29
                    cents per diluted share for the prior year's period. Net
                    income for the year was $69.6 million or $1.86 per diluted
                    share compared to $27.3 million or 85 cents per diluted
                    share in the prior year.

                    Total revenue for the quarter increased to $215 million from
                    $196 million for the prior year period which represents an
                    increase of approximately 10%. Excluding realized gains and
                    losses and the change in the fair value of the imbedded
                    derivative total revenue for the quarter increased to $216.9
                    million from $182 million for the prior year period which is
                    an increase of about 19%.





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                    Total revenue for the year ended December 31, '04, increased
                    to $816.6 million from $557.4 million for the prior year
                    period which is an increase of 47%. Excluding the realized
                    gains and losses and the change in the fair value of the
                    derivative, total revenue for the year increased to $821.2
                    million from $547.9 million which is about an increase of
                    50%.

                    Total benefits and expenses increased to $202.4 million for
                    the quarter from $169.2 million which is an increase of 20%
                    over the prior year's period. For the year total benefits
                    and expenses increased to $759.1 million from $519.6 million
                    which is an increase of 46%.

                    The increase in both total revenue and total benefits and
                    expenses were principally driven by the acquisition of
                    Scottish Re Life Corporation which was previously ERC Life
                    and growth in the company's reinsurance business in North
                    America.

                    The company's total assets as of December 31, '04, were $9.4
                    billion. The core investment portfolio comprising fixed
                    maturity investments, preferred stock and most of the cash
                    and cash equivalents on our balance sheet totaled about $4.3
                    billion. Had an average quality rating of `AA-`, an
                    effective duration of 3.8 years and a weighted average book
                    yield of 4.2%.

                    This compares with a portfolio balance of $2.4 billion, an
                    average quality rating of `AA-`, an effective duration of
                    3.9 years and an average book yield of 4.5% as of December
                    31, 2003.

                    Funds withheld at interest totaled $2 billion and had an
                    average quality rating of 'A+', an effective duration of 3.9
                    years and a weighted average book yield of 5.2% at December
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                    an average quality rating of 'A-', an effective duration of
                    5.1 years and an average book yield of 6.3% as of December
                    31, 2003.

                    The market value of the funds withheld at interest amounted
                    to $2.1 billion as of December 31, '04.

                    Realized losses which are before taxes but include the
                    amortization of deferred acquisition costs, totaled
                    approximately $5.5 million in the fourth quarter. This
                    includes impairment losses totaling approximately $6 million
                    that the company chose to take in the fourth quarter.

                    During the quarter we issued an additional $230 million of
                    capital to support our acquisition of the ING Re block. This
                    $230 million included $180 million of equity securities to
                    The Cypress Group which is a private equity firm and $50
                    million of trust preferred securities.

                    Our book value per share at December 31, '04, was $21.58 per
                    share as compared to $18.73 per share a year ago. Excluding
                    the impact of FAS 115 book value per share amounted to
                    $21.35 per share in comparison with $18.51 for a year ago.

                    Now I'd like to take a moment to give you a brief overview
                    of the progress we're making in our business and some
                    guidance as to how we measure that progress.

                    Now first we'll start with our traditional solutions
                    business which is, as many of you know, how we provide
                    mortality risk transfer capacity to the top life insurance
                    companies in North America.





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                    As of December 31, 2004, the company had approximately $1
                    trillion of life reinsurance in force covering approximately
                    14 million lives with an average benefit per life of
                    $73,000. Excluding the business acquired from ING, we had
                    approximately $309 billion of life reinsurance in force
                    covering 7.3 million lives with an average benefit for life
                    of $43,000.

                    As of December 31, '03, the company had reinsurance of
                    approximately $275 billion of life reinsurance in force on
                    6.2 million lives and an average benefit per life of
                    $43,000.

                    During the quarter we originated approximately $16 billion
                    of new traditional life reinsurance from existing and new
                    clients. And on a year-to-date basis we originated
                    approximately $65 billion.

                    Mortality experience continues to be favorable as well with
                    actual experience in '04 running at approximately (95) per
                    expected levels for a Scottish Re originated business. Since
                    inception of our traditional solutions business mortality
                    has been at approximately 95% of expected levels on a
                    cumulative basis.

                    We see no adverse trends emerging in our mortality and
                    anticipate it to remain at or around expected. And as we
                    have stated on many cases in the past, that the projections
                    we use to develop our guidance and forecast are based on
                    100% of expected mortality. In addition, mortality from the
                    Scottish Re Life Corp block is performing as anticipated in
                    our pricing of that block.

                    In our financial solutions business we measure progress by
                    measuring the GAAP reserves we hold on our balance sheet.
                    Reserves for financial solutions business increased modestly
                    to $3.4 billion as of the end of the year in comparison with
                    $2.9 billion as of the end of '03.





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                    As we've said in the past, we've been very selective in
                    reinsuring additional fixed annuity business due to the
                    current interest rate environment and what we perceive to be
                    non-economic pricing decisions that have prevailed in the
                    primary markets.

                    On a same-store basis spreads on the fixed annuity portion
                    of our financial solutions business increased to 1.66% from
                    1.65% in the prior quarter and 1.53% in the fourth quarter
                    of 2003. Year-over-year the spread increased by 13 basis
                    points. The yield on the assets backing these transactions
                    dropped by 9 basis points over the past year reflecting the
                    investment of new premium and net cash flows at market
                    yields that are lower than portfolio yields.

                    By the same token, crediting rates decreased by 21 basis
                    points reflecting the benefit of reductions on renewals of
                    annual reset annuities which are offset by scheduled
                    increases in rates on multiyear step guarantee products. The
                    latter products guarantee increases of 15 to 25 basis points
                    per year over a 3- or 5-year period at which point the
                    insurer sets a new 3- or 5-year step guarantee.

                    In our international business premiums in the quarter were
                    approximately $39 million which is a decrease from the $67
                    million we reported in the same quarter of last year. As we
                    mentioned on prior calls, this year-over-year comparison is
                    due to two major reasons. One, changing from a cash basis of
                    accounting for premiums earned which makes comparisons
                    somewhat difficult on a '04 to '03 year basis and our
                    decision not to renew several underperforming treaties that
                    produce significant premium but not a whole lot of operating
                    earnings.

                    The net result has been to improve the margins of our
                    international book on a go forward basis and we expect this
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                    support significantly wider margins than our traditional
                    North American business.

                    In addition, as we've also talked about the non-U.S. markets
                    are experiencing some of the capacity constraints and other
                    changes that we've been seeing in North America which
                    present significant growth opportunities as well as
                    attractive pricing conditions.

                    As everyone probably knows on December 31st of 2004 we
                    announced that we closed our acquisition of the U.S.
                    Individual Life Reinsurance business of ING Re. Although our
                    integration is still in its early stages, the early returns
                    suggest that it's progressing quite favorably.

                    Effective with the closing we hired approximately 100
                    employees from ING Re with the majority remaining in Denver
                    which is where ING Re was headquartered where we opened a
                    new office on January 3rd. And in addition, a small number
                    of staff relocated or are relocating to our Charlotte office
                    at this point in time.

                    Let's talk a little bit about regulation XXX reserves. At
                    Scottish Re we've been talking with analysts, investors and
                    rating agencies about XXX since 1998. In fact our original
                    IPO slideshow had some points on XXX in that presentation.
                    However in the past year or two the regulation XXX reserve
                    requirement has started to receive some more focused
                    attention from various industry observers.

                    As many of you may know, XXX is a regulation that was
                    adopted by the insurance departments of most of the states
                    in the U.S. in late 1999 and into early 2000. It
                    prospectively, not retroactively, changed the reserving
                    basis for term life policies that have long-term premium
                    rate guarantees.





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                    With XXX the statutory reserve grows over time and in the
                    case of Scottish Re's business it peaks approximately 10 to
                    11 years from the date of issue and then declines to zero
                    over time. Approximately 75% of the life business reinsured
                    by Scottish Re since 2000 is subject to this XXX reserve
                    requirement. I would also note that the ERC block that we
                    acquired is pre-XXX business and approximately half of the
                    ING Re block is pre-XXX paper.

                    Many life insurers and reinsurers currently use letters of
                    credit or other types of short-term funding mechanisms to
                    secure or back their XXX strain. We believe that funding
                    long duration liabilities with shorter-term funding
                    facilities is not suitable or sustainable in many respects
                    from a prudent asset liability management perspective
                    because it creates significant refinancing or rollover risk
                    every year. And you've seen some of the rating agencies
                    having highlighted this potential risk in comments that
                    they've published during the course of the past year.

                    Historically we at Scottish funded our XXX reserve strain
                    using a variety of capital resources including equity and
                    debt on the balance sheet as well as a number of funding
                    facilities including various collateral and surplus relief
                    facilities. We have historically not relied on letters of
                    credit however to secure our XXX reserves as we believe that
                    the duration mismatch was inconsistent with our firm's risk
                    management philosophy.

                    Some of you may have noticed that last week Scottish Re
                    closed an $850 million 30-year securitization from our newly
                    formed wholly owned subsidiary which we call Orkney
                    Holdings, LLC. Proceeds from this innovative transaction
                    will fund XXX reserves associated with business written by
                    Scottish Re U.S. between January 1, 2000, and December 31,
                    2003. This securitization successfully matches the long-term
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                    imposed by Reg XXX at a cost comparable to 364-day letters
                    of credit for a company with our ratings. In other words we
                    have 30-year paper at 364-day effective pricing.

                    This is the first securitization of excess reserves arising
                    from XXX to be completed for a reinsurance company and the
                    first to lock in certainty of availability in cost of future
                    funding.

                    In addition, in January we closed another capital markets
                    collateral facility which was called the Stingray
                    Pass-Through Trust which totaled $325 million. The Stingray
                    facility may be used to collateralize XXX or quite frankly,
                    any other type of business need that Scottish Re may have
                    over time. And Scottish Re's per annum cost for this
                    collateral facility is approximately 170 basis points and
                    the facility has a 10-year maturity.

                    In addition to the collateral provided, the facility allows
                    our Cayman Life Company, Scottish Annuity and Life Insurance
                    Company (Cayman), to issue funding agreements at a
                    predetermined price without any conditions and at any time
                    in exchange for the assets in the portfolio at Stingray.

                    The facility we closed with HSBC Bank, USA, in June, '04,
                    provides $200 million of collateral support primarily for
                    XXX related products. This facility reduces the strain on
                    our existing capital by providing Scottish Re U.S. with
                    credit for reinsurance collateral.

                    The trust arrangement put in place for this facility is
                    accounted for as a variable interest entity and is
                    consolidated on our balance sheet and you've seen it in the
                    past. This is a rolling five-year facility which includes
                    the option to extend annually for a further year upon the
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                    HSBC. Scottish Re's per annum cost of this facility is less
                    than 100 basis points.

                    In December Scottish Re announced a $175 million credit
                    agreement with a syndicate of lenders. This agreement is an
                    unsecured 364-day facility that allows Scottish to issue
                    letters of credit and borrow for working capital, capital
                    expenditures and other corporate purposes. While this new
                    credit facility could be used to fund XXX reserves we do not
                    have plans to use this facility as a long-term XXX solution.

                    Taken together, these facilities provide a framework to
                    efficiently and effectively manage the strain of new
                    business. The Orkney transaction represents a solution that
                    addresses the cost and availability of collateral for the
                    life of a block of business. It is a solution that best fits
                    a closed block of business and requires considerable
                    modeling effort and data.

                    The Stingray Trust and HSBC structures represent valuable
                    medium-term structures that provide prearranged availability
                    and cost of collateral for a certain period while also
                    providing the flexibility to warehouse the strain created
                    from several years of new business production.

                    As these new business blocks reach an optimum size they can
                    be moved from the warehousing structures into another
                    permanent type of structure like Orkney, thus renewing our
                    capacity to warehouse future years' production.

                    Lastly the syndicated credit agreement allows not only
                    working capital but also the ability to efficiently manage
                    any short-term XXX timing issues that may arise from the
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                    Finally in connection with the ING Re acquisition all of the
                    collateral for the XXX reserves related to that business are
                    provided for by ING for the life of the business at agreed
                    upon prices that we included in the valuation of the ING Re
                    business.

                    This unique transaction structure significantly increased
                    the value of the transaction from our perspective by
                    eliminating exposure to the XXX reserve development related
                    to the block of business that we acquired from ING Re.

                    We do anticipate sourcing our own sources of permanent
                    collateral for this business within the near future which
                    could improve the overall return on that transaction.

                    Let's talk a little bit about our acquisition philosophy. We
                    evaluate in-force blocks of business based upon our own view
                    of mortality, persistency, cost of capital and return
                    requirements. And it's this discipline that we used in
                    acquiring the ING block, the ERC block, as well as other
                    in-force blocks of business that we look at from time to
                    time.

                    Our view of assumptions takes into consideration all
                    currently available historical data. Assumptions may or may
                    not be consistent with the assumptions used in the original
                    pricing of the business and generally are in practice quite
                    different.

                    At purchase updated assumptions are also used in setting the
                    reserves that are posted to assure that future liabilities
                    are properly accounted for. The economics to Scottish Re in
                    these transactions are fully expected to meet our
                    shareholder return requirements.





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                    Want to talk a little bit about retention, catastrophe and
                    clash covers and to point out that we did not have any
                    claims related to the Asian Tsunami event. As part of our
                    ongoing risk management process and given the growth of our
                    in-force book of business, we have evaluated our corporate
                    retention limits as well as our catastrophe and clash cover
                    limits.

                    As you may recall if you've been following Scottish Re for
                    some time, our corporate retention has been $1 million since
                    we started the business but when we started writing
                    mortality business in the U.S. we limited our retention to
                    $500,000 per life until the block grew to a sufficient size.

                    With the growth of our organic business as well as the ERC
                    Life acquisition and the ING Re acquisition our block of
                    business is now sufficiently broad enough to comfortably
                    support a higher per life retention. As a result, effective
                    January 1 of 2005 our per life retention for new fully
                    underwritten business has been moved to $1 million. That
                    remains the lowest of all of our competitors in the
                    industry.

                    The retention on the Scottish Re Life Corp, the former ERC
                    block, is also set at $1 million. The in-force business
                    acquired through the ING Re transaction has been - will have
                    a $2 million retention which has been reduced from $5
                    million through the purchase of special retrocession pools
                    that have been put in place to (cede) off any risks in
                    excess of our stated retention on the blocks.

                    Our catastrophe reinsurance cover covers multiple deaths,
                    that's typically defined as three or more deaths from a
                    single event. As you may know, we have had catastrophe
                    coverage before there were catastrophes recognized by many
                    people in the life insurance and reinsurance business. The
                    events that we cover under our CAT cover include but are not
                    limited to crashes, fires, earthquakes, tsunami, natural
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                    biological and chemical events and a fairly long list quite
                    frankly of various coverages.

                    Beginning January 1, 2005, we have increased our coverage to
                    $50 million. You may recall that we had upped it a little
                    bit last year during the course of the year and it had
                    increased steadily from $10 million to $20 million now to
                    $50 million. This catastrophe layer attaches when claims
                    from a single event exceed $10 million.

                    Clash coverage as well is our reinsurance on unknown
                    accumulations which we've had for a number of years with
                    respect to any one individual life. This is important when
                    one is acquiring in-force blocks of business and protecting
                    oneself from data integrity issues that come through those
                    transactions. Our new Clash cover limits have a $3 million
                    attachment point and provide a $7 million layer of coverage.
                    As with our CAT coverage, Clash cover covers all of the
                    Scottish Re group business regardless of where it's written.

                    Let's go and talk a little bit about guidance and inevitably
                    we'll answer some additional questions in the Q&A period.
                    Our efforts to further build the business of Scottish Re in
                    2004 has paved the way for substantial increases in three
                    key financial measures that we use to measure the success as
                    an organization - growth in operating earnings per share,
                    growth in book value per share and increasing returns on
                    equity and our expectations for '05 are consistent with
                    those objectives.

                    On the revenue front as we mentioned last quarter, we expect
                    to earn for the full year 2005, total revenue in the range
                    of $2.1 billion to $2.3 billion. That is driven by earned
                    premium in the range of $1.9 billion to $2.1 billion,
                    investment income in the range of $275 million to $350
                    million and fee income of approximately roughly $8 million
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                    Of that earned premium figure, approximately $1.8 billion to
                    $2 billion is expected to be generated by our North American
                    operation and $165 million to $175 million is expected to be
                    generated by our international team.

                    With respect to production assumptions we are assuming and
                    expect to produce approximately $100 billion of new
                    traditional solutions business, that's our mortality risk
                    transfer business, in our North American markets in 2005.
                    That's an increase of approximately $35 million over the $65
                    million we did in '04.

                    We anticipate based upon where we are with respect to
                    interest rates, deferred annuity production of approximately
                    total $500 million. And based upon business that we've done
                    in the early part of the new quarter here, we think that
                    we're reasonably on our way to that level.

                    We also anticipate as I mentioned, fee income of
                    approximately $8 million to $12 million and we anticipate
                    producing approximately $500 million of single premium
                    immediate annuities in addition to our deferred annuity
                    production.

                    Operating expenses for the combined operation are expected
                    to be in the range of 4.9% to 5.2% of total revenue which
                    represents further achievement of operating leverage in our
                    organization.

                    As we have also mentioned in the past, we have always
                    expected that our effective tax rate would increase as the
                    company matured and the block of business matured over time.
                    With the acquisition of ING Re that has accelerated that
                    effect and as we have guided people in conversations we
                    would anticipate having reporting an effective tax rate in
                    2005 in the range of 7% to 8-1/2% of pretax operating
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                    Finally when you sort through it all the resulting operating
                    earnings per share that we expect to report for year ended
                    '05 would be in the range of $2.75 to $2.95 per share which
                    represents an increase of approximately 30% over the
                    guidance range we gave for 2004. That breaks down into
                    approximately 20% in organic operating EPS growth plus
                    approximately 10% of earnings accretion from the ING Re
                    acquisition.

                    While our earnings in a calendar year is somewhat seasonal,
                    as the company has grown the ramp up in quarter-to-quarter
                    earnings is becoming less and less pronounced than what was
                    observed in prior years. On a quarterly basis our '05
                    operating EPS ramp up should follow the following pattern.

                    We would approximately see 20% to 22% emerge in the first
                    quarter of '05, 22% to 24% in the second quarter, 24% to 26%
                    in the third quarter and 28% to 30% in the fourth quarter.

                    Now let me state very clearly that this is our expectation
                    for quarterly earnings today. The ING Re block of business
                    is quite large and although we have a very good picture of
                    the premium and earnings patterns that we expect to emerge
                    from this block of business, it will take us a full 12
                    months - all of '05 - to fully integrate the business into
                    Scottish Re. As a result, the block does have the potential
                    to slightly distort this quarterly earnings pattern.

                    As we come back to you to report earnings throughout 2005 we
                    will update our quarterly guidance progression along the
                    way.

                    These earnings expectations ultimately result in a return on
                    average equity of 15% for the full year ended 2005 which is
                    one year earlier than our long-held objective which had been
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                    One last comment on guidance. When we give a range of
                    guidance we have a high degree of confidence regarding two
                    things. Number one, that we expect to report earnings within
                    the range and number two, that our highest degree of
                    confidence is around the midpoint of the range.

                    The Street obviously needs to do their own work and derive
                    their own numbers but we would expect that the conclusion
                    that analysts reach when calculating earnings estimates are
                    closer to the midpoint of our range than the high end.

                    I'd also like to mention we'd like to announce today that we
                    will be hosting our annual investor day in New York City on
                    March 15th. Invitations and further information regarding
                    that day will be sent down and posted on our Web site next
                    week so please look for it.

                    Finally I'd like to conclude today's conference call by
                    saying that all of us at Scottish are very excited about our
                    prospects for 2005 and beyond and thank you for your
                    continued support and interest in the company. And at this
                    point we will open up for questions. Operator?

Operator:           At this time I would like to remind everyone in order to ask
                    a question please press star 1 on your telephone keypad.
                    We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster.

                    Please continue to hold for your first question.

                    Your first question comes from the line of Al Capra with
                    Oppenheimer.





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Al Capra:           Good morning, everybody. My first question is
                    mortality-related and if I look at the quarter and I look at
                    the trailing 12-month benefits ratio it was around 72.3% and
                    a year ago it was at 70.4%. And I would guess that maybe ERC
                    has some impact on that so number one, I was just hoping you
                    could reconcile that for me but more importantly, you know,
                    is that 72.3% sort of a normalized number or was there any
                    noise in there?

Scott Willkomm:     Well, I think, Al, you are correct that the complexion of
                    the book of business has changed in large part in '04
                    because of the acquisition of ERC which had, you know, A)
                    was a different block of business, it was a pre-XXX block,
                    had different dynamics to its performance overall. So that
                    is a very good conclusion to reach.

                    We would expect that the benefits ratio albeit, you know,
                    it's a little bit of a crude measure but it's what you have
                    to work with, will change a little bit a well with the ING
                    block but not appreciably because that block of business for
                    the most part is quite similar to the Scottish Re
                    "originated business." And if you look at the relative
                    distribution the loss ratios should be relatively similar.

                    They will probably be marginally higher than the numbers
                    that you mentioned but that would be I think only at the
                    margin quite frankly because the blocks are, you know, I
                    think in the aggregate somewhat similar.

Al Capra:           And the expense ratio in term on the ING block should be a
                    little bit lower then?

Scott Willkomm:     A lot lower, yeah. A lot lower.

Al Capra:           Okay. And then just, you know, as it relates - it sounds
                    like mortality was sort of right in line this quarter and
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                    about actual to expected being around 95% and what I was
                    curious about is having gone through the whole due diligence
                    process on the securitization you obviously got to look back
                    and revisit what the block's been doing from your '01 and
                    '02 and '03 underwritings. Where there any notable trends
                    that came out of that exercise?

Scott Willkomm:     Nothing that we, you know, there were no observations quite
                    frankly that we didn't, you know, that we weren't aware of
                    or didn't expect I guess. In connection with the
                    securitization, you know, our internal team did quite a fair
                    bit of extensive modeling as you might imagine as did, you
                    know, the various consulting firms who were representing us,
                    MBIA, you know, Goldman and the underwriters as well as the
                    states of South Carolina and Delaware.

                    What I think the ultimate conclusion and as you might
                    imagine in the securitization, this is the conclusion that
                    comes out, is that the assumptions underlying the block and
                    the cash flows coming off of the block are sufficient - in
                    fact more than sufficient - to support the issuance of these
                    securities. So that's sort of a long winded way of saying
                    that the underlying assumptions used in pricing the block
                    were determined to be quite sound for the 30-year duration
                    of the securitization.

                    So I think that, you know, as I say there wasn't anything in
                    the work that was done that we weren't aware of. In fact,
                    quite frankly it confirmed what we've been saying all along.

Al Capra:           Okay. That's helpful, thank you.

Operator:           Your next question comes from the line of John Hall with
                    Prudential.

John Hall:          Good morning.





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Scott Willkomm:     Good morning.

John Hall:          Hey, Scott, I was just wondering if you could - I've got
                    several questions - I was wondering if you could just sort
                    of run through the composition of due diligence expenses a
                    little bit.

                    Also the negative (seeding) commission on the ING
                    transaction, how's that being treated and I was wondering if
                    you could also discuss what the repercussions are as you see
                    them to a player like Met Life selling its stake in RGA?

Scott Willkomm:     That's quite a list. I wonder if we have the rest of the
                    day. Elizabeth, do you want to hit the negative (seeding)
                    commission? I think that's a pretty straightforward one
                    there and then we can sort of hit all the other points as
                    well.

Elizabeth Murphy:   The negative (seeding) commission has no impact on our
                    earnings for the quarter or the year. The negative (seeding)
                    commission will be used as part of the reserve on the block
                    of business. As you can see, our policy benefit reserves
                    have increased significantly and about $1.6 billion of that
                    is attributable to the ING block of business that does come
                    onto our balance sheet at 12/31. So essentially when we
                    evaluate the reserves required on that business we take the
                    negative (seeding) commission in amongst that reserve line.

John Hall:          And that's net of cash?

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Elizabeth Murphy:   Well, taxes will be shown separately in the balance sheet.
                    It's not net of tax. It's all part of the reserve and our
                    tax liability will be shown in the tax liability line.

John Hall:          Okay.

Scott Willkomm:     You know, with respect to the due diligence expenses, those
                    are expenses such as actuarial consulting fees, accounting
                    due diligence, legal consulting fees that we determined not
                    to capitalize and carry on the balance sheet. So we chose to
                    expense it our whole objective being that, you know, it
                    effectively allows us to have a noiseless 2005, you know,
                    earnings result which I think everybody would certainly
                    relish.

                    The last point with respect to Met Life's announcements and
                    the speculation with respect to RGA I think at the end of
                    the day that, you know, any activity be it
                    acquisition-related and otherwise in the life sector in
                    general or in the life reinsurance sector creates
                    opportunities for all of the, you know, participants in the
                    market.

                    And if you think about some of the basics behind uses of
                    life reinsurance, life reinsurance has been used to help
                    contribute to the overall either the financing plan for
                    acquisitions or alternatively, the post-acquisition
                    rationalization of capital within companies. It can be used
                    occasionally to sell or release capital underlying
                    businesses that are no longer germane to the combined
                    company.

                    I think when push comes to shove, the simple answer is it
                    creates many opportunities for participants in the life
                    reinsurance business in general. And, you know, with respect
                    to RGA I think that it no longer being part of the Met Life
                    organization is probably quite beneficial for RGA in the
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                    explore from a strategic standpoint because of, you know,
                    broader corporate objectives.

                    So I think net/net change is good. We're seeing dramatic
                    change in our industry both how it effects the domestic U.S.
                    market but also how it effects the global markets as well.
                    There's a lot of regulatory change afoot, less so in the
                    U.S., more so in places like Europe and in Japan and as many
                    people have heard us say in the past, the long-term organic
                    growth in the international markets is very, very
                    attractive.

                    Obviously that's why we invested in a platform three years
                    ago and have been looking to develop that platform so that
                    we can participate in that overseas expansion as well. So I
                    think the punch line is, net/net change I think such as what
                    the Met folks have announced will be beneficial to companies
                    like Scottish and many of our competitors not only in the
                    near-term but I think it actually may have a longer-term
                    impact as well.

John Hall:          Thank you very much.

Scott Willkomm:     Thank you.

Operator:           Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Schuman with
                    KBW.

Jeff Schuman:       Good morning, Scott.

Scott Willkomm:     Good morning.

Jeff Schuman:       A couple of things. I was wondering if you could just give
                    us a little more color on the ING integration first of all
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                    playing out in the marketplace. You've mentioned retaining a
                    number of their employees. Have you retained a lot of the
                    marketing staff?

                    And as sort of add new business comes to market from those
                    existing ING clients are you kind of holding your market
                    share or how is that sort of playing out at this point?

Scott Willkomm:     Yeah. I think to actually on the market share point we're
                    adding to market share in a meaningful way, Jeff. The fourth
                    quarter, and I'll come back to the other points on your
                    question, the fourth quarter quoting activity around our
                    U.S. business was about as active as it has ever been. I
                    don't have the quote report right in front of me but as of
                    the end of the third quarter we had won approximately 42
                    quotes which is about on pace for what you would expect in a
                    normal fiscal year.

                    By the end of the fourth quarter we had added at least
                    another 30 quotes and the fourth quarter tends not to be,
                    you know, just a barnburner quote quarter, the reason being
                    is we were requoting on many pieces of the ING business.

                    Now mechanically what happened is, you know, ING notified
                    all of their cedants in October about the time of the
                    announcement of the transaction that they would no longer be
                    accepting new business on those treaties.

                    So typically your garden variety treaty will have a 90- to
                    120-day cancellation provision in it and during that 90- to
                    120-day period which ended, you know, effectively two days
                    ago for all intents and purpose we worked with many of the
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                    And actually the pricing team now was sort of back to normal
                    pace if you know what I mean so the fourth quarter was a big
                    quarter in terms of quoting activity so I believe you'll see
                    that translate into market share when the market share data
                    for 2005 results are published.

Jeff Schuman:       I'm sorry, just to be clear, you actually repriced open
                    (cedants) actually.

Scott Willkomm:     Well, effectively they closed and reopened in so many words.

Jeff Schuman:       Right, okay.

Scott Willkomm:     Yeah. We needed as did ING, we needed as an acquirer to
                    limit in some respects any future production because that
                    could potentially change, you know, based on the old pricing
                    basis, that could have changed our view of value. And both
                    we and ING did not want to have sort of that open item out
                    there that would result in, you know, adjustments down the
                    road perhaps.

                    So we decided collectively that sort of stopping the new
                    business made a lot of sense. You know, ING was prepared to
                    run off the business if they hadn't negotiated a deal to
                    sell the block so they were prepared to do that regardless.
                    It made a lot of sense for us in terms of limiting our
                    exposure to things that weren't priced, you know, to the
                    Scottish approach.

                    And then we've gone back and worked with many, not all, some
                    cedants went elsewhere. We did not win everything we quoted
                    on but we certainly were very successful in a large volume
                    of quotes in working through with the cedant companies. So
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                    With respect to the integration activities, as I mentioned
                    in the prepared remarks, the early returns are quite good.
                    The ING Re team that we hired in Denver is largely allocated
                    to operations and administration staff which allows us to
                    leverage our operating infrastructure across the U.S.
                    organization very, very effectively.

                    In addition, we did bring on a number of - not a very large
                    number but a number of the marketing, sales and a couple of
                    the pricing actuarial team as well to supplement our
                    existing origination efforts. And in addition on the
                    financial reporting and the valuation actuarial side, we
                    brought on a number of very talented folks as well.

                    Finally we brought on - a number of the folks we brought on
                    were part of the famous ING mortality research center which
                    you may recall had been the Lincoln Re mortality research
                    center before that. So we have brought on, you know some of
                    the folks from that team who have done extensive studies on
                    various mortality related topics and that is very, very
                    helpful. Something we had planned to do and develop at
                    Scottish as we grew, however this was a more efficient way
                    to do that and they have brought with them a number of very
                    helpful tools that we are working into our business
                    processes around the organization.

                    We had a very successful start in Denver on the third of
                    January when we turned on the lights and everything worked.
                    And, you know, touch wood - the early returns are very, very
                    good. I think one of the important things that we talked
                    about when we announced the transaction is we were seeking
                    to minimize execution risk and in doing that we brought on a
                    very talented team of life reinsurance professionals who are
                    allowing us to leverage our existing team and infrastructure
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Jeff Schuman:       Okay, thanks a lot, Scott.

Scott Willkomm:     Thank you.

Operator:           Your next question comes from the line of Greg Mason with AG
                    Edwards.

Greg Mason:         Hi, this is Greg Mason on behalf of (Jeff Hobson). Just a
                    quick question. On your Sarbanes-Oxley expenses here in the
                    fourth quarter were any of those one-time expenses in terms
                    of a ramp up in compliance or do you expect most of that
                    increase to be ongoing?

Scott Willkomm:     Actually that's a very good question. The Sarbanes-Oxley
                    cost that we talk about first of all are external costs.
                    They do not include the internal costs of our people who've
                    been dedicated to the implementation of the 404 compliance
                    regime.

                    Second, we have built into our expense budget the ongoing
                    what I would characterize as maintenance costs if you will
                    throughout the organization of, you know, the various
                    processes and documentation needs. So what we're talking
                    about in our news release here is the consulting fees, the
                    incremental auditing fees, basically all of the generally
                    non-recurring implementation fees as opposed to the ongoing
                    maintenance fees.

                    And I would add, as much as we all and I would characterize
                    myself as being in this camp from time to time, we all love
                    to complain about Sarbanes-Oxley, how much it's costing and
                    how much it has the potential to distract from the business,
                    at Scottish we were already doing a number of these things
                    as just the part of a growing business and developing the
                    internal controls to sustain the business and control the
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                    process mapping of various parts in part to make sure that
                    we were doing things well and efficiently.

                    Would we have gotten it all done in a year? Probably not; it
                    would have taken multiple of years. So I think I would say
                    that while there are some elements of Sarbanes-Oxley that
                    were somewhat pedantic and the rules changed throughout the
                    course of 2004, the vast majority of this investment I think
                    is something that we all as shareholders can be confident
                    will allow the business to sustain itself in a very prudent
                    controlled environment.

                    So we can do all the SOX bashing we want to but there is a
                    very large percentage of the effort that was very, very
                    valuable and should in the long-term add value to certainly
                    a company like Scottish which was growing rather quickly.

Greg Mason:         Great. Thank you very much.

Scott Willkomm:     Thanks.

Operator:           Your next question comes from the line of Ernest Jacob with
                    Longnook Capital Management

Ernest Jacob:       Thank you. Good morning, Scott. I was just wondering if you
                    have filed a registration statement or any other type of
                    document regarding the recent securitization that we could
                    read just to get a better understanding of the thing?

Scott Willkomm:     No, we haven't. It was a private placement, Ernie, so there
                    is no registration statement related to it. We did file, you
                    know, an 8K but I know it's pretty short which is what the
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                    to talk through with you - it's probably a lot easier
                    offline because it is pretty thick stuff, you know, some of
                    the details but we don't have a registration statement
                    related to it since it was a private transaction.

Ernest Jacob:       Okay, I'll give you a call then.

Scott Willkomm:     That's great, thanks.

Operator:           Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Kligerman
                    with UBS Securities.

Andrew Kligerman:   Great, thanks a lot. I have a bunch of questions so let me
                    just ask one at a time. With regard to the tax rate at north
                    of $6 million, it increased your earnings by over 50% which
                    is fantastic. What went into that tax benefit?

                    And you mentioned that you were expecting 7% to 8-1/2% I
                    think going forward. I think you expected 4% or 5% going
                    through '05. What happened and why should we actually expect
                    the guidance on your tax rate?

                    Then I'll have a follow up.

Scott Willkomm:     Well, I think, Andrew, as you may recall we for some time
                    have expected as our business grew and the block of business
                    got larger and the rate of growth of new business because
                    the denominator grew larger, you know, the delta got smaller
                    over time, that we would expect to see an increasing
                    effective tax rate.

                    Now it is absolutely true and I think you've pointed it out,
                    in fact I think you expected a higher tax benefit this
                    quarter. In the last note I saw that we do a lot of year-end
                    tax planning and some of the year-end tax planning that we
                    did in the fourth quarter was in advance of the ING block
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                    would have attributed to the benefit being a little larger
                    than it perhaps would have been otherwise. So there was some
                    planning we did in advance of the ING closing that resulted
                    in some benefit.

                    All in all though, the ING block is two times our non-ING
                    block if you will or our pre-ING block. It is a very
                    profitable book of business, profitable on a statutory and
                    tax basis the way we priced it. We can do some, as I
                    mentioned, we've done some extensive tax planning so we can
                    reduce the overall amount of tax that we will have to pay on
                    that. But we think it's reasonable to believe and we have
                    modeled it in our own internal models, in that range of 7%
                    to 8-1/2% effective rate.

                    That makes a lot of sense if you think about, you know, a
                    portion of the business is held in the U.S. entities not
                    only in Scottish Re U.S. but in one of our Bermuda 953
                    companies which are U.S. taxpayers. But also a large portion
                    of the business, you know, may be ceded to our Irish
                    operation which has a tax rate of 12-1/2% on a marginal
                    basis. So when you pull all that together we believe it's
                    reasonable and we've stated that an effective tax rate in
                    the range of 7% to 8-1/2% is appropriate.

                    We would have expected to get there over time. Obviously
                    we've been doing some tax planning over the past few years
                    that has in some respects allowed us not to get there as
                    quickly which has probably been helpful one way or the other
                    along the way. But your observation that you would expect,
                    you know, us not to be able to sustain tax benefits in
                    future periods is true and that's in large part in the
                    near-term driven by the ING block.

Andrew Kligerman:   And then with regard to your operating expense ratio at I
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Scott Willkomm:     Yes.

Andrew Kligerman:   And last year I think it was expected in the 5%...

Scott Willkomm:     It was supposed to be 5.3% to 5.5%. You're right. It was
                    higher.

Andrew Kligerman:   Yeah, this quarter - so what went into the - I think it was
                    sequentially up about $9 million so maybe you could give
                    us...

Scott Willkomm:     The fourth quarter was really a barnburner as opex goes,
                    you're absolutely right. In addition to the (Sarbox)
                    expenses which we've talked about, you may recall we raised
                    $50 million of trust preferred in the fourth quarter that
                    was done at the beginning of November and we would have had
                    interest expense related to that but obviously not the ING
                    block that it was backing, you know, since that didn't close
                    till the end of the year.

                    We also because we set ourselves up in a way with respect to
                    ING such that we started the transition before we closed. We
                    had a high degree of confidence that the transaction would
                    close as expected on 12/31 and as a result, we began working
                    on the transition. We added some staffing resources, there
                    were some IT-related costs such that on January 3rd when the
                    folks showed up at their desks all they had to do was turn
                    on their computer and they were linked into all of
                    Scottish's systems. And that was also in that number as
                    well.

                    So, you know, we also had in the quarter some foreign
                    exchange because quite frankly when we did our earnings
                    guidance at the beginning of the year the dollar sterling
                    and dollar Euro level was much, much lower than it is today.
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                    are worth substantially more but that doesn't go through the
                    income statement. That just hits the balance sheet.

                    However the currency, you know, the difference between what
                    we had planned for and what the currency exchange rates have
                    turned out to be have dogged us not only in this quarter but
                    in prior quarters as well so there was some noise in there.

                    Now with respect to planning on a go-forward basis, $1.85
                    sterling type relationship is probably going to be where
                    it's at and we've looked at it and planned on that basis. So
                    to the extent that there's some upside in that, yeah, that's
                    great. That may be helpful in opex on a go-forward basis.

                    So we've talked a little bit answering one of the questions
                    of one of the earlier callers on the Sarbanes expenses and
                    obviously if we started spending a little bit on the
                    transition in the fourth quarter of '04 and didn't have the
                    ING block, we had really nothing appreciably to offset that
                    against.

                    And I think that this year was just a very difficult year
                    for opex for a number of reasons. Not making excuses or
                    anything, it is what it is and I think that we have done a
                    very good job in looking at opex on a go-forward basis and
                    have tried to address that concern.

Andrew Kligerman:   Thanks. Shifting over to your balance sheet I saw that the
                    reinsurance recoverable increased by about nearly $500
                    million to $1.1 billion. Can you give a little color on what
                    went into that increase in the reinsurance recoverable?

Scott Willkomm:     The simple answer and I'll let Elizabeth give you a little
                    more detail, the simple answer on all the material changes
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                    the closing balance sheet of ING. So all of the major
                    changes including the increase in the (modco) because some
                    of the - remember ING was a reinsurance transaction. Some of
                    the business that was ceded to us was on a funds withheld
                    basis even though we actually managed the money ourselves on
                    behalf of ING as our cedant.

                    But Elizabeth, if you want to, you know, give any more color
                    on the reinsurance receivable line?

Elizabeth Murphy:   Yes, the reinsurance recoverable line, the increase - the
                    (unintelligible) you said is entirely due to the ING
                    business and its amounts recoverable from reinsurance in
                    respect to paid and pending claims and (IBNR).

Andrew Kligerman:   Okay, and then your net - you gave us gross in the press
                    release. What is your net in-force reinsurance?

Scott Willkomm:     (Cliff), I don't know if you have that handy. I think on the
                    back - off the top of my head quite frankly, (Cliff) may
                    have a better number in front of him there. We're not
                    sitting in the same location. We would probably, you'd
                    probably subtract about $75 million from the gross number.

(Cliff):            Yeah, I think that's about right.

Andrew Kligerman:   Okay, great. And then just lastly on the mortality at 95% of
                    expected. I noticed just that industry-wide mortality was
                    very favorable this quarter. Any added thoughts on why you
                    came in at 95% in the quarter?

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(Cliff):            Yeah, let me back up and re-answer the question before. You
                    know, for the Scottish Re organic business and the ERC
                    business, I think about $70 million is the right number for
                    retro ceded business. If you add in the ING block then we've
                    got another about $47 billion of business that's retro ceded
                    out to the excess pools. So the total, you know, the total
                    retro ceded business comes out to about $130 million or so -
                    or a billion or so.

                    Then could you repeat the question on the mortality?

Andrew Kligerman:   Yeah just, (Cliff), I'm just kind of curious, you know, I
                    was thinking that mortality was very favorable across the
                    whole industry this quarter and you guys also exhibited
                    that. Any thoughts on why you came in at 95% of pricing? Any
                    other color that I'd just be interested in.

Scott Willkomm:     We're trying to be helpful on that point for you
                    (unintelligible) in some respects. (Cliff), you probably
                    have a more serious answer than that though.

(Cliff):            No, I mean it's been a consistent year for us and we've come
                    in probably the same as - we should come in pretty much the
                    same as all the other reinsurers on our base block of
                    business. Again, the ERC block is coming in at about what we
                    expected but there's no real trending for the quarter I
                    don't think on the organic block of business.

Andrew Kligerman:   Okay. Thanks a lot.

Scott Willkomm:     Thank you.

Operator:           Once again if you have a question or comment please press
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                    Please hold for your next question.

                    Your next question comes from the line of Sam Hoffman with
                    Omega.

Sam Hoffman:        Hi. Can you explain why book value per share increased from
                    $19.68 to $21.35 in the fourth quarter and specifically what
                    we can expect in terms of share count going forward?

Scott Willkomm:     Elizabeth, can you walk through the book value per share
                    change with Sam?

Elizabeth Murphy:   Yeah. Part of the book value per share is change in the
                    comprehensive income which is from FAS 115, unrealized gains
                    and the foreign exchange component of our UK operation. And
                    the other book value per share growth is obviously in our
                    earnings for the quarter together with the additional
                    capital that we have raised during the quarter as well.

Scott Willkomm:     Now to your second point, Sam, with respect to shares
                    outstanding in terms of a point in time, you know, balance
                    sheet number as opposed to an average, as of the end of the
                    year we had 39.9 million shares outstanding. You may recall
                    that two components of the Cypress investment were in the
                    form of a warrant and a convertible security which upon the
                    approval of some changes in our charter, will convert into
                    shares. And we've sort of always viewed them as in the
                    denominator.

                    That would add approximately - well, that would add
                    approximately an additional 5.7 million shares to that
                    number and so the total shares that Cypress would have are
                    approximately 9.2 million. I think there's just a little
                    over 3 million, 3-1/2 million in the number as at December
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                    Now on a weighted average share basis we have some dilutive
                    securities as well and we anticipate that the weighted
                    average shares during the course of the year would be
                    approaching somewhere around the $50 million to $52 million
                    number based upon what the share price for Scottish is
                    during the course of the year because some of those are -
                    well, most of those are convertible and the like at various
                    prices.

                    Does that answer your question?

Sam Hoffman:        Would that $50 million to $52 million include your $200
                    million equity offering planned for the middle of the year?

Scott Willkomm:     Yes, it would.

Sam Hoffman:        Okay, thanks.

Scott Willkomm:     Yeah, it does. We've assumed that in our guidance numbers as
                    well.

Sam Hoffman:        Okay.

Operator:           Your next question comes from the line of Al Capra with
                    Oppenheimer.

Al Capra:           Scott, just in terms of the acquisition-related growth you
                    see for '05 in the ING Re block, is that at all dependent on
                    you viewing the securitization of those reserves to lower
                    the reserve strain costs?

Scott Willkomm:     No, it's not. Not that we won't do that but it is not. Just
                    to sort of cover a couple of points I think we've made, the
                    way that the XXX relationship with ING works is ING has
                    agreed to provide the XXX reserve strain on the block that
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                    with time and then obviously comes down sort of has that
                    humpback effect and that has been agreed as well as what the
                    cost is.

                    And in negotiating our transaction with ING we factored that
                    change in the amount of reserve that they would be providing
                    as well as the price because that does change with time,
                    into our pricing model. So we have focused on pricing that
                    into our view on the business.

                    To the extent that we are able to finance that in a more
                    cost-efficient fashion, there is obviously, you know, the
                    opportunity for enhancement of the returns on the
                    acquisition of that block and it is our intention to do
                    that.

                    We were first focused as you might imagine on our own block,
                    that which we knew the best. We had been working on it for
                    some time well before ING was in conversations with us. But
                    we do have plans to securitize or refinance if you will, you
                    know, a large portion if not all - that's not all going to
                    happen overnight because these things do take a little while
                    but a large portion of the reserves strain related to the
                    XXX component on that block of business just like you'll see
                    us do it on the production that we write so the new business
                    production.

                    So this is not a one-off. The securitization or, you know,
                    structured financing if you will of reserves, not merely XXX
                    reserves, is a very important component of our view on where
                    the industry is going. But the simple answer is that we
                    would anticipate it. It is not included in any of our
                    guidance so, you know, that could be additive not
                    immediately; it would be in the longer-term over the ensuing
                    couple of years.

Al Capra:           And then very quickly, I know this is running long, but now
                    that we've got the (emergencies) securitizations and given
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                    fund your growth via the capital markets, you know, equity
                    raises, does this have any impact on your dependence on
                    equity raises in terms of these securitizations?

Scott Willkomm:     In a major way, it does. I mean I think in some respects the
                    reason Scottish Re was the first life reinsurer to not only
                    do one securitization but we've done now three structured
                    financing techniques in some respects because we were
                    smaller, had a smaller balance sheet, we needed to focus on
                    ways to reduce cost of capital which at the end of the day
                    is our principle cost of goods sold as a financial
                    intermediary.

                    What we have in effect created over the past 12 months is a
                    factory that can through the HSBC facility warehouse
                    XXX-related production and allow us to build a proper
                    diversified block, permanently finance it through an Orkney
                    Re structure and when the capital markets are closed and we
                    all know they close from time to time, we have the Stingray
                    structure which is a contingent capital facility that can be
                    used not only for XXX but really any other type of reserve
                    need within Scottish Re.

                    And then the final piece of this building blocks of capital
                    is our unsecured credit facility which allows us at the end
                    of a quarter to true up our various accounts in various
                    locations and our reserve credit trust and the like in an
                    efficient fashion, never used as a long-term strategy for
                    financing.

                    So the punch line is, out of this, this allows us to
                    increase the velocity of our core capital, our basic debt
                    and equity, and significantly reduces the level of
                    dependency if you will, the level of perhaps frequency that
                    we would be needing to visit the capital markets on a
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                    Another important thing to note is we have a very large
                    in-force block of business today that's very well priced and
                    is performing well and that is a large cash flow generation
                    engine that we didn't have two years ago. So I think when
                    you take all of these factors together, this has been a
                    transformational year for Scottish Re in many ways, not
                    merely the acquisition but the financing techniques that
                    we've put into place and the go-forward ability to generate
                    a very attractive returns on our capital base and continue
                    to build long-term value in the business.

Al Capra:           That's usually helpful. Thank you.

Scott Willkomm:     Thanks.

Operator:           Your next question comes from the line of Michael McNulty
                    with Context Capital.

Michael McNulty:    Hi, thanks for the call. I just wanted to ask you a couple
                    of questions. One on the tax rate - I'm trying to reconcile
                    the benefit that was actually reported versus the benefit
                    that analysts and folks thought would be in there vis-a-vis
                    the earning estimates. I thought I heard someone say that it
                    was more than expected and I'm just trying to figure out on
                    an apples-to-apples basis how much of an effect did that
                    have on your EPS. Was it a nickel or 6 cents or, you know,
                    versus where expectations were?

Scott Willkomm:     I don't know where all the analysts were, Michael, but with
                    respect to where we saw things emerging before we did some
                    tax planning for the ING, it may have added, you know,
                    something on the order of 3 cents to 4 cents to the overall
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Michael McNulty:    Okay and that would certainly still be well within range and
                    near the high end. Okay, great. That's what I thought; I
                    just wanted to check.

                    Also a housekeeping question. As you start to generate more
                    cash what's your thoughts on raising the dividend? It's been
                    a nickel for a long time per quarter. I didn't know if you
                    had any thoughts there?

Scott Willkomm:     We have thoughts. We've talked about it in the past but
                    obviously as we were growing the business, you know, it was
                    important for us to retain, be a net retainer of capital. We
                    will continue to be so. It's a conversation that we've had
                    at our board a couple of times and are reviewing that as we
                    speak.

                    You may recall that we have had a dividend of 5 cents per
                    quarter since we took the business public and, you know, now
                    with the change, the dramatic change over the past few years
                    and the company's scope and size and capital resources it's
                    appropriate for us to review that again.

                    At the end of the day we still are a growing company so we
                    need to be conservative about that. We have, you know,
                    ratings objectives that need to be supported as well but
                    it's on the agenda.

Michael McNulty:    Okay. And then just kind of an overview question. On the one
                    hand you see GE and ING selling their business to someone
                    like yourself and now Met Life on the RGA side and so you
                    have certain people kind of, if you will, exiting the
                    business in a large way. And then on the other hand you have
                    someone like Marsh increasing their commitment to the area.

                    Can you just kind of talk about what your thoughts are for
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                    opportunities in the market that it has been? And also I
                    understand pricing is up too.

Scott Willkomm:     Sure. Yeah. Well, I think if you look at some of the history
                    of the industry on the provider side, on the reinsurance
                    side, for many years many very large diversified, often
                    European but not always, financial conglomerates were
                    actively engaged in expanding or buying into the life
                    reinsurance business principally in the U.S. which is the
                    vast majority of the global market but also in other markets
                    around the world.

                    We then, you know, as a student of the markets you'll know
                    that the global capital markets on a value basis started to
                    decline around the beginning of 2000. With the 9/11 incident
                    that sort of further accelerated and exacerbated the decline
                    in the market value of capital securities in the markets and
                    the excess capital that was available to many of these
                    larger firms became a bit more scarce as a result.

                    And they also had a number of other issues in terms of
                    adverse loss development trends. Not only were there the
                    claims from 9/11 that were paid but there were things like
                    asbestos, other types of sales practice issues, European
                    flood issues, a whole litany - you know, (GMGB) reserves
                    changes as equity markets changed, revaluation of pension
                    liabilities in markets like the UK and elsewhere.

                    So another significant amount of strain was placed on the
                    capital base of many of the significant capital providers to
                    the industry. And I think companies sort of found themselves
                    into a couple of categories. A company like GE which had I
                    think as (Bill Gross) was the one to point out, been
                    effectively borrowing short and lending long in their GE
                    Capital business, doing the same in the insurance business.
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                    they spun off Genworth, they sold (Unintelligible) Insurer
                    and, you know, they've been progressively getting out of
                    that business. They must have made a decision internally
                    that they were going to focus elsewhere.

                    ING had a new chief executive come into office in April and
                    they had completed, the firm had completed a strategic
                    review of the businesses they wanted to be in on a global
                    basis and they don't want to be in the life insurance and
                    reinsurance businesses is what I understand one of the
                    conclusions was.

                    They would like to be in your business, the wealth
                    accumulation and management business. So that was a
                    strategic decision for them and they've made I know a number
                    of other both acquisitions at ING on a corporate basis as
                    well as divestitures that fit with that strategic direction
                    they've taken.

                    And some other companies quite frankly have, you know, had
                    difficult times, difficult results that impaired their
                    capital to a point where they are no longer active in
                    writing new business. And there were a few companies who
                    sold, who were under B ratings and capital pressure who sold
                    various businesses not only the life reinsurance business
                    but other financial businesses in order to reduce their
                    exposure to certain things, reduce liabilities and raise
                    capital.

                    So a lot of different people were moving out of the industry
                    for unique reasons. I think also it's fair to say that this
                    is a consolidating market. This is a market where the
                    economic model really requires scale in order to generate
                    the types of returns that are credible to equity and debt
                    holders.

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Scott Willkomm:     And we have been working very hard to achieve scale at
                    Scottish Re. Quite frankly we were very fortunate that we
                    were able to put a very attractive deal together with ING
                    that allows us to achieve a level of scale that would have
                    taken us a God-awful long time to achieve otherwise. And it
                    allows us to perfect our economic model.

                    When you throw into the mix, the securitization work that
                    we've done to reduce our principle cost of goods sold which
                    is cost of capital, I think we have gone a very long way to
                    really tune up and tighten up the economic model that I
                    think will produce a lot of benefit over the ensuing five
                    years.

                    So on the flip side you do have new market entrants so we're
                    not sort of the last man standing. We're not the captain
                    going down with the ship.

Michael McNulty:    Right.

Scott Willkomm:     There are a lot of people who've been trying to do this. It
                    is not easy. You know, (Chris Straup) with the backing of
                    Marsh and a number of others has set up (Wilton Re). (Chris)
                    is one of the most capable executives in the life
                    reinsurance business and it's a short list of folks who
                    could really I think do this successfully. There aren't that
                    many people in this small fraternity in the life reinsurance
                    business and I think that this is a long-term business.

                    Equity providers have been very patient with us as we have
                    been building return on equity over the past six years since
                    we really got into business here and that has paid off. I
                    think in many respects though that it's that patience is
                    something that we're very grateful for but in this day and
                    age as we all know, you know, it's what have you done for me
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                    And while I think people have done very well in buying
                    Scottish stock over the years, if you were to do a new say
                    public start-up today the amount of capital you would need
                    in order to get proper ratings would leave you with a lot of
                    redundant capital that would take many years to properly
                    leverage and unfortunately there have been situations in the
                    industry where people have raised capital and have not been
                    as successful and they've put a lot of capital and it really
                    didn't do the trick.

                    So I think that those are some of the features that you see
                    going on. You've heard Partner RE, you've heard Brian O'Hare
                    at XL recently. You've heard a number of other market
                    participants talk about opportunities in the life
                    reinsurance business being very attractive and I think we
                    believe that they are. And we've solidified a market-leading
                    position, number three in the U.S., number five in the
                    world, that allows us to compete very effectively with any
                    new market entrant that comes along. This is all we do;
                    focus is critical I think to doing this business well.

                    And you look at the guys who've done well in this business.
                    Forty-five percent I believe of Swiss Re's global business
                    is life reinsurance. RGA is solely in life reinsurance and
                    so are we. I think so many of our competitors have been in
                    multiple lines of business and just, you know, I think focus
                    and discipline is really important.

                    So I think that hopefully answers some of the broader
                    questions that you were posing there.

Michael McNulty:    No, no, that's great. I just was seeing competing trends and
                    I appreciate you summing that all up. It was very helpful.

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Michael McNulty:    Take care, Scott.

Scott Willkomm:     Yep.

Operator:           Your next question comes from the line of Frank Strezo with
                    Deep Haven Capital Management.

Frank Strezo:       Hi, just actually one of my other questions has already been
                    answered but just a quick question with respect to the
                    Sarbanes-Oxley costs. Can you tell us, give us a sense of
                    when you expect those costs to subside, the external costs?
                    Thanks.

Scott Willkomm:     I think, Frank, two things. One, the issue with
                    Sarbanes-Oxley costs have a lot more to do with when we plan
                    for the process, you know, a little over a year ago I think
                    we and many other people did not completely have a full view
                    of what the scope would be and what would be required. In
                    fact, considering that, you know, the SEC and the accounting
                    profession was working well late into the summer putting out
                    guidance, I think nobody really knew. So it was very
                    difficult to estimate and as things often are, it's become -
                    it's sort of grown upon itself or sort of mushroomed in some
                    respects.

                    So we expect that many of those costs will not continue in
                    future periods. As I mentioned I think in response to a
                    question asked by an earlier caller, we have already built
                    into our guidance and our models for '05 the ongoing costs
                    of keeping the Sarbanes-Oxley regime alive and current
                    throughout our organization.

                    So I think a lot of the cost, it was unexpected. I think
                    you've probably seen that from many companies. I think
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                    average company is spending at least $5 million to implement
                    Sarbanes-Oxley. Unfortunately for a small company where
                    $350,000 is a penny a share, we're going to see it.

Frank Strezo:       Thank you.

Scott Willkomm:     Thanks.

Operator:           Your next question comes from the line of Xiuping Li with
                    Tenor Capital Management.

Xiuping Li:         Yes. I just want to ask about the dividend question the
                    other people asked. You were mentioning you were evaluating
                    your dividend policy. I was just wondering if you can give
                    some guidance in terms of how you think about your dividend
                    (unintelligible) in the long-term, you know,
                    (unintelligible) you only had there is RGA which is paying
                    very little dividends. So I was just wondering based on your
                    current review if you're going to change your dividend, what
                    kind of level you want to be in the long-term.

Scott Willkomm:     Well, I don't think we're to a point where I could say what
                    we're going to change it to. I think a lot of that obviously
                    has to do with the key constraints we managed to; A.) we're
                    trying to work to improve our capital base and improve our
                    ratings progression. So we don't want to do anything with
                    respect to dividends that would be viewed by our rating
                    agencies as detrimental not only to maintaining ratings but
                    progressing ratings in a positive direction. So that's a
                    very important issue for us.

                    Second, you know, I think returning capital to shareholders
                    is an important element in the evolution and, you know, an
                    important factor for companies. That's why we're looking at
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                    growing company probably shouldn't have paid a dividend at
                    all from the beginning but, you know, in connection with our
                    initial public offering it was, you know, it was advised
                    that we should be paying a modest dividend in order to open
                    the offering to a broader spectrum of investors since some
                    investors are motivated by even a small dividend, a dividend
                    nonetheless.

                    So it's something we're looking at and, you know, I think
                    net/net those are some of the constraints but I think
                    philosophically returning capital to shareholders either in
                    the form of dividends, in the form of buying back stock and
                    the like, are things we've always been open to. It's just
                    not we've been in a position where we could comfortably and
                    prudently to it.

                    At this point in time with the growth the company has taken
                    we think it's a conversation worth having around the board
                    table as well as with folks at the rating agencies and other
                    people whose opinions about the capital position of the
                    company are very important.

Xiuping Li:         Okay, so because that doesn't sound like you'll be in a
                    position to change your policy I guess even short-term,
                    right?

Scott Willkomm:     We also are a facile company too so, you know, it doesn't
                    take years to make decisions either. I think whatever we do,
                    we want to make sure that it properly and prudently
                    addresses the near-term and longer-term capital development
                    of the company and it's consistent with the message that we
                    are trying to deliver to our counterpart, our credit
                    counterparties, and the rating agencies who are a very
                    important factor in how credit counterparties view us.

Xiuping Li:         Okay. And also I guess I just don't see the reason for you
                    to increase your dividend just given the company has been
                    positioned as a growing company. And also you have the
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                    you guys take that into account as well when you think about
                    your capital needs going forward.

Scott Willkomm:     Oh, sure. Absolutely. Without question. That's why, you
                    know, in response to the earlier question, my point was
                    saying it's on the agenda, it's a conversation that we are
                    having - a serious conversation we are having but we are
                    also very cognizant of the capital structure of the company
                    and its capital needs. These are all things that we are
                    looking at - well, we looked at them long before even
                    considering putting a conversation about the dividend on the
                    agenda.

Xiuping Li:         Okay. Thank you.

Scott Willkomm:     Sure.

Operator:           Your next question comes from the line of Trevor Petch with
                    Insight Investments.

Trevor Petch:       Hi. Can you hear me?

Scott Willkomm:     Hello?

Trevor Petch:       Hi. Yes. Obviously the ING transaction was a really
                    significant one both in terms of its size and capital
                    requirements and so on. I wonder if you could say something
                    about how long you looked at it all before you agreed in
                    principle to the transaction and how long it took to
                    structure the contracts and how long you had to do due
                    diligence and things like that?

Scott Willkomm:     Trying to remember when the first - I mean we've known it's
                    been out there for a while. This is a small world quite
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                    with the business because there aren't a whole lot of us and
                    we do know what our competitors are up to.

                    We received the official offering document from the bankers
                    on Memorial Day so that would have been in May and we
                    announced the transaction middle of October so from that,
                    you know, Memorial Day receipt of the due diligence book and
                    the actuarial appraisals and the like to October we were
                    working both on due diligence as well as structuring the
                    transaction and, you know, so in many respects in parallel
                    throughout that period of time so, you know, it was a
                    reasonably extensive period of time.

Trevor Petch:       May I ask which were the parts of it that you said you found
                    the most challenging?

Scott Willkomm:     I think the most challenging parts were two things. One, how
                    do we address the XXX strain and the way we did that was a
                    structure where ING is retaining that risk and that was a
                    very important element to the negotiation and structuring of
                    the transaction.

                    And quite honestly the second - maybe not - actually
                    probably the most important thing was, you know, in order to
                    make the transaction successful in terms of executing and
                    managing the block was the acquisition of staff and making
                    sure that we did the human potential element in as
                    thoughtful a fashion as possible in terms of, you know, we
                    knew the senior folks but there were quite a fair number of
                    mid-level and junior folks who we did not have access to in
                    the first half of the period and had access to after we got
                    into an exclusive conversation with ING late in the game.

                    So we had a lot of work to do in terms of evaluating the
                    people. We interviewed every person who worked for the ING
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                    see how they fit within our post-acquisition Scottish Re
                    organization and I think that was the toughest because at
                    the end of the day, you know, we are a people business and
                    our assets go home at night.

Trevor Petch:       Thanks a lot.

Scott Willkomm:     Sure.

Operator:           At this time there are no further questions. Are there any
                    closing remarks?

Scott Willkomm:     No, at this point I would just like to thank everyone for
                    joining us on this conference call this morning and we look
                    forward to seeing many of you at investor day in New York on
                    March 15th. Please check our Web site and we will endeavor
                    to email to many of you information in the course of the
                    next week as to venue and agenda for events.

                    Thank you very much.

Operator:           Thank you. This concludes your conference. You may now
                    disconnect.


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