Filed by IBS Interactive, Inc.

Pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act of 1933
Subject Company:  I. I. Holding Company, Inc.
Commission File No.  0-24073


Investors and security holders of the IBS Interactive,  Inc. are advised to read
the  joint  proxy   statement/prospectus   regarding  the  business  combination
transaction  referenced in the following  information when it becomes  available
because   it   will   contain   important    information.    The   joint   proxy
statement/prospectus  will be filed with the Securities and Exchange  Commission
by IBS Interactive,  Inc. and Infonautics,  Inc.  Investors and security holders
may obtain a free copy of the joint proxy  statement/prospectus (when available)
and other documents filed by Infonautics,  Inc. at the  Commission's web site at
www.sec.gov.  The joint proxy  statement/prospectus and such other documents may
also be obtained from IBS  Interactive,  Inc. by directing such request to Chief
Financial Officer,  IBS Interactive,  Inc., 2 Ridgedale Avenue, Suite 350, Cedar
Knolls, NJ 07927.

The following  communication  contains,  in addition to historical  information,
forward-looking   statements  that  involve  risks  and   uncertainties.   These
forward-looking  statements  may  include  statements  regarding,  for  example,
failure of the IBS  Interactive,  Inc.  or  Infonautics,  Inc.  stockholders  to
approve the merger,  completion of the transactions related to it, the risk that
the IBS Interactive,  Inc., Infonautics, Inc. and First Avenue business will not
be  integrated  successfully,  costs  related to the  transaction,  inability to
further  develop and achieve  commercial  success  for the  combined  companies'
business  strategy,  the number of registered  users and reach of each company's
web sites,  the value of any holdings by the  companies,  the tax and accounting
treatment  of  the  merger  and  related   transactions,   the  closing  of  the
transaction, and the deployment of each company's respective resources following
the merger. Such statements are based on management's  current  expectations and
are  subject to a number of  uncertainties  and risks that  could  cause  actual
results  to  differ  materially  from  those  described  in the  forward-looking
statements.  More  information  about  potential  factors which could affect the
either IBS Interactive,  Inc. or Infonautics, Inc. financial results is included
in the Risk  Factors  sections of such  company's  respective  filings  with the
Securities and Exchange Commission.  All forward-looking  statements included in
this document are based on information  available to each such company as of the
date of this document, and neither company assumes any obligation to update such
forward- looking statements.






THE FOLLOWING IS THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE RADIOWALLSTREET INTERVIEW FROM JULY 31,
2000, SUCH TRANSCRIPT FIRST MADE AVAILABLE IN WRITTEN FORM ON AUGUST 3, 2000:

RadioWallStreet Executive Interview

Companies: Infonautics, IBS Interactive, First Avenue Ventures
Moderator: Joseph Garner

OPERATOR:  Welcome  to  RadioWallStreet.com.  This  program  is  subject  to the
forward-looking  statements  located at the bottom of the web page.  Featured on
today's  segment  is an  interview  with  Rich  Masterson,  CEO of First  Avenue
Ventures,  Van Morris,  CEO of Infonautics,  (http://www.infonautics.com/),  and
Nick Loglisci, CEO of IBS Interactive IBSX; (http://www.interactive.net)

Conducting the interview for Radio Wallstreet.com is Joe Garner.

Please, go ahead, sir.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  Thank  you,  and  good  afternoon  everyone.  Welcome  back  to
RadioWallStreet.com.  We're  very  pleased  to  have  with  us on the  air  this
afternoon,  as the  announcer  had  just  indicated,  what  will  be the  future
management team of Digital Fusion, Rich Masterson of First Avenue Ventures,  Van
Morris of Infonautics  Corporation,  Nick Loglisci of IBS Interactive.  Welcome,
gentlemen.

RICH MASTERSON:  Thank you, Joe.

VAN MORRIS: Good afternoon, Joe.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  It's  great  to have you on the show  today.  We've  had such a
significant news  announcement  between the three  organizations but a couple of
things,  housekeeping  items on us before we get started first I want to let our
audience know that today's  program is being sponsored by Dell. One Focus Vision
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I also  want to  mention  that my firm  and  World  Research  provides  research
coverage  on  Infonautics  and  our  sister  company,  Emerald  Divisors,  is  a
significant  shareholder.  Anyone that would like more information I would refer
to our web page, Emerald - or, excuse me - teamemerald.com.

Let's start out - do you - the three  companies had a made a joint  announcement
today that they will be merging to create a new  venture  technology  enterprise
that will be known under the name  Digital  Fusion.  And I think  perhaps to get
started, I think people that may know one of these particular  companies may not
be as familiar with other two.

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So, if we could  just take a moment or two and maybe on a one by one basis  just
give us a little bit of introduction and background on your particular companies
and what you're kind of bringing to the whole here.

And,  Rich,  why don't we start with you with First  Avenue  Ventures.  You were
there the founder of another public company,  U.S. Interactive  (NASDAQ:  USIT);
(http://www.usinteractive.com), which some of our listeners may be aware of. Why
don't you give us a little  bit of your  background  and what  First - who First
Avenue Venture is and what you're bringing to the table here?

RICH  MASTERSON:  Sure.  Thanks,  Joe.  You're  right,  I - in  founding US
Interactive  back  in  1994,  I  thought  there  was a need  for a new  kind  of
professional  services  firm,  one that was  dedicated  to the  Internet  from a
strategy technology and marketing perspective.

And I must tell you that as we sit around and contemplate the merger that's been
announced,  I feel  strangely  similar to 1994. I think there's a need for a new
kind of company,  precisely the kind of company that Digital Fusion will be. And
basically  what Digital Fusion will be by virtue of this  partnership,  is we're
bringing a three-legged stool together, if you will.

First  Avenue is a private  equity firm that I started in  partnership  with Don
Caldwell and Glen Rieger at Cross Atlantic Capital Partners.  As you may recall,
Don is the former president of Safeguard (Safeguard Scientifics - NYSE: SFE) and
Glen  was an EVP  (Executive  Vice  President)  at  Safeguard.  These  were  the
gentlemen with whom I worked while at US  Interactive.  The Cross Atlantic First
Avenue  Partnership  provides  the  needed  private  equity  that our  corporate
partners,  our internal portfolio properties,  as well as entrepreneurs need, to
get successful  e-businesses  started.  So, it's the First Avenue private equity
and management consulting that we bring to this partnership.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  Great.  Nick, why don't we move over to you with IBS
Interactive,  just a little bit of background on IBS and how see it fitting into
Digital Fusion.

NICK  LOGLISCI:  Sure.  Thanks,  Joe.  IBS  Interactive  today is a  services
company.  It's a  company I  co-founded  in 1995 and our original intent was to
be - was to be a national ISP (Internet  Service  Provider),  and we actually
had our roots in networks and - on the Internet services side.

And approximately  the  third-fourth,  quarter of 1999 we realized that that was
becoming a game that was getting  dominating by the Telco's  (Telecommunications
Companies)  and we saw our services side of the business  growing quite rapidly.
And what  IBS has  done  over the past  three  quarters  is  really  transformed
ourselves very quickly from being really that of a - primarily a network company
and to that of being an e-services company.

Primarily with our expertise in the  programming  applications  and  development
field,  again, we do have deep seeded experience in network services,  including
Website  hosting and  subscriber  line services on the corporate end. And really
what we see ourselves as, as Rich has  mentioned,  the legs of the stool,  we're
the services arm of the company going forward.

JOSEPH GARNER:  Van, we've had you on the show here a number of times before,
on  RadioWallStreet.  Give us a little bit of background on Infonautics and how
it fits into the picture here.

VAN MORRIS:  You bet.  Thanks,  Joe.  Infonautics  has a powerful  portfolio of
web operating  properties.  Its properties that you may know of, like Company
Sleuth,  Electric Library and  Encyclopedia.com,  these  properties in
aggregate,  Joe, ranked by Media Metrix in the top 100 Web network on a
consolidated basis.  We have a tremendous amount of audience to bring to the
table.

In addition,  we have a strong  balance  sheet with - in our recently  announced
financials  - $13  million  in cash and  about $9  million  eBay  (NASDAQ:EBAY);
(http://www.ebay.com)  stock  that we  bring to the  table,  as well as a proven
track  record of  developing  companies  - early  stage  companies.  We  founded
bigchalk at Infonautics and we subsequently spun it out, and $55 million of very
sophisticated  capital was invested in this company (bigchalk).  And we were the
founding investor of Half.com with 280 thousand dollars invested a year ago that
has recently converted into just under 10 million dollars.

So, what we've done,  Joe, is we've built Web  properties,  we've  operated  web
properties,  and we've spun web properties out of Infonautics into their own, in
the case of bigchalk and our early stage  investment  in  Half.com,  and we look
forward to doing more in this combination.

We look forward to bringing those assets and those skills to the combination and
just doing more with a larger  customer base that Nick brings to the table and a
larger capital base that Rich brings to the table.

JOSEPH GARNER:  Rich, you had mentioned that you feel that this is a new kind of
company to address a new need in the market  place.  Why don't you talk a little
bit about that?  Exactly - you know, what do you see as the need and really what
is your strategic vision and growth strategy as you see it for this company?

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RICH MASTERSON:  Well, I think going forward the market has certainly spoken and
has said that it's not enough to try to succeed on the Internet, purely with the
technical  advantage,  or purely  with the  marketing  advantage,  or  financial
advantage,  you really need an integrated offering,  and I think that's what the
three companies coming together offer.

As I look at, you know,  this particular  opportunity  it's clearly a case where
some of the parts have been worth more than the whole.  We've got the  successes
that Van mentioned, and here we've got - with the top Media Metrix listing we've
got more unique  users than

"USA Today" and the "Wall Street  Journal." This is not a story that's been
getting out of Infonautics.

At IBSX,  Nick has been running this company with half the turnover rate of peer
group companies in the  professional  services  phase.  These are companies that
have been  succeeding  but maybe lacked an end game,  and that is (which means),
"okay so where do we go from here?"

By coming together we've got a new kind of opportunity. We can work with venture
capitalists,  with  entrepreneurs,  and with our existing  corporate partners to
provide  solutions that  independently we couldn't offer. And let me give you an
example.

Van's got a number of  successful  properties  already  launched and more on the
way. By virtue of our  partnership  at Cross  Atlantic we now have access to the
capital we need to grow those properties.

Nick has got a fabulous  offering at IBS with his network  services  business as
well as e-services,  but now he can also offer up the awareness and the audience
of  Infonautics.  And when you bring it together,  it's a really elegant looking
blended solution and one that frankly you couldn't build for the kinds of prices
that these  companies are trading at today.  We're very, very encouraged by what
we see here and looking forward to a long-term success story.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  Van,  one of the - one of the things that you've been  credited
with in your tenor as Chief  Executive  Officer at Infonautics has been taking a
company  which  really was on the brink and nearly  lost its Nasdaq  listing and
really had kind of turned that company  around,  realized  value for some of the
assets,  and grew the business.  While it gets to sometimes  it's an oxymoron in
the Internet area, but your able to actually grow revenues while decreasing cost
and reducing cash burn and I don't see that every day.

Talk a little  bit - I think you made - I'm  looking  for the quote in the press
release today regarding something to the effect - and correct me on this cause I
haven't  located  it  here - oh,  here it is - "you  have  history  of  building
Websites  quickly and  economically."  Talk a little bit about your  thoughts in
that area and how Digital Fusion is going to be able to capitalize on that going
forward.

VAN  MORRIS:  Yeah,  we think that the game in the web area has  changed  and no
longer can you have a business  plan  that's  says dear Mr.  Venture  Capitalist
please give me 15 to 25 million dollars and at the back end maybe we'll find out
if we have a business  plan.  We thought - we think that may have worked six, or
eight, or ten months ago, but people are looking to take much more sophisticated
bets on the Web.

When you take a look at the fact that we got the first version of Company Sleuth
out  with an  investment  of  less  than  200,000  dollars  or that we  acquired
registered users for fifty cents in that property. Or if you take a look at Echo
Factor, our most recent property that we are developing inside of Infonautics, I
think we do have a track  record of building

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Web properties economically and quickly, and testing them in the real world
not in a laboratory.

I think the challenge that  Infonautics has had is one that frankly - its future
was  brighter  than its  legacy - and so we wanted to change the game in a very,
very  fundamental  way and we wanted to take what we've been doing  historically
and put it on a broader canvas.

Nick brings to the table 325 people that are working in real  America  with real
corporations.  When we bring that kind of power  together  with  this,  with the
track record that we've had in building  properties - and then one of the things
that we're very much looking for from Rich  Masterson  is the  branding  that he
brings to the table. Certainly in the professional services and certainly in the
Philadelphia  area he is known from his founding of US Interactive and his skill
in marketing.  We look at  transforming  both IBS and  Infonautics  into the new
company.

RICH MASTERSON:  Joe, Rich Masterson here.

One of the things I'd add to Van's  comments  is in my work at First  Avenue and
with Cross  Atlantic I've had the  opportunity to work with a number of offshore
entities,  all very,  very excited about getting a soft landing spot here in the
US.  So I think  the other  thing to share  with you in terms of vision  for the
company  going  forward is a tight  alignment  with a number of venture  capital
partners and we're going to be looking to commercializing  and globalize some of
these properties in short order.

JOSEPH GARNER: So you really - I mean, to kind of pull things together, Rich, it
sounds like you're not only talking about working with the companies and current
customers of the existing three  businesses here, but it sounds like you're also
looking at  addressing a larger base -  domestically  and  internationally  that
other early-stage companies may be dealing with at this time.

RICH  MASTERSON:  Absolutely.  We are - we're going to increase the offering
that we have to our existing  customers,  but we're going to be serving a whole
new customer base.

We're going to be working with venture capitalist to make sure that they de-risk
some of their  investments and this is - this is absolutely not a parochial view
world. And that is, we want to actively partner with technology companies,  with
offshore companies, with venture capitalist.

We don't  believe  that it's a turnkey  solution  and the  markets  cornered  on
intellectual capital here, instead we're going to more of an open source network
approach and I think that's proven very successful in the past.

JOSEPH GARNER:  We have - some of the questions that have risen today have been,
you know, the company IBS Interactive  appears to be in somewhat of a turnaround
or a  transformation  mode  itself.  Kind  of  talk a  little  bit  about  that,
particularly in context of an acquisition  that you had made recently which also
was of the name "Digital Fusion"

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and how that's bringing your company to some of the higher value-ad parts of the
Internet professional services spectrum.

NICK LOGLISCI: Right. Gladly Joe. Again, in the third and fourth quarter of
this year we realized  that as a network play we were running up against the big
boys, we continue to grow. And what I mean by that is the Verios (NASDAQ:  VRIO)
(http://home.verio.com)     of    the    world,    the  AT&T's; (NASDAQ:T)
(http://www.att.com),  and we saw our e-services  business growing quite rapidly
and yet we lacked the  resources.  IBS had a very good front-end  piece.  What I
mean by that is we dealt very good with  front-end  piece  technologies,  but we
lacked the strength in the strategic side as well as the back end. Enter Digital
Fusion.

And I first spoke with Roy Crippen, who was the president of the Digital Fusion,
who's now the Chief Operating  Officer at IBS Interactive,  and it looked like a
perfect  mix,  and it was kismet the first time we spoke.  IBS had a very strong
front-end piece as well as Website  development,  and Roy brought in that strong
back end piece.  And it was a natural fit and the two  companies  came  together
very quickly, had been - and integrated very quickly.

I think what's also  important to note at that time,  we realized that the ISP -
especially the consumer piece of our business - was slowing in growth,  although
we have a very loyal  customer  base. And as reported in our last quarter we did
announce the sale of our consumer ISP  business,  and I will be happy to report,
although nothing official yet, those talks are moving along very well.

At the same too we realized that when we were acquiring  Digital Fusion we would
need an influx of capital and in the - in the  beginning  of the second  quarter
the  company  went out and raised 7.5 million  dollars,  added it to our balance
sheet, with a significant investment from Tech Bank of about 5 million dollars.

Tech Bank is a subsidiary,  Tech Bank USA of the Kuwaiti national government and
is a very strong strategic  partner,  and a strategic partner we look forward to
working  with at Digital  Fusion.  And over time too, the company has focused on
two  significant  events.  Number  one,  continuing  to raise the bar as far our
revenue is concerned  while at the same time too decreasing our burn rate to get
back to our  goal of  being  EBITDA  positive  by  year-end,  which  we think is
important as a services  firm.  Joe, if I can take a couple of seconds too, I do
want to mention a couple of things about what I believe will be significant  for
IBS, our shareholders and our employees going forward in this merger.

We're very excited about it and we believe our shareholders are going to be too,
once the story gets out and becomes clearer to them. Number one, on the services
side, this is going to create a lot more business and we look forward to working
with the folks at Infonautics  and Rich on helping to drive more business to IBS
and creating greater  exposure for our services.  As Rich said, we're sort of an
under the radar  screen  company  right now and we expect on getting  out on the
forefront  on that.  Next we see a lot of

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Upside  potential in  Infonautics and their  properties as well as the healthy
balance  sheet that they bring to the table.

Last but not least, I do want to mention,  more  significantly what First Avenue
Ventures  brings to the table because I think that there may be a perception out
there that FAV is bringing capital to the table and that's it, and that couldn't
be farther from the truth.

Number one, I've known Rich  Masterson  for a number of years now,  we've worked
well  together in the past,  we've always  gotten along well and I think Rich is
going to bring on that  significant  branding and marketing piece that Van and I
are  looking  to take  hold of.  I also  want to  point  out that I think  Cross
Atlantic  coming  to this is  significant  as  well.  We look - are  looking  at
partnering  with  Cross  Atlantic  on  assisting  us on  identifying  technology
opportunities on a global platform.

So, really what you see here is you got two smaller  companies  coming together,
which is,  first of all,  we think a pretty  great  thing  because  of the - the
kismet  between the  properties  as well as the  services.  But, also this First
Avenue  Ventures group coming in with a top notch dynamic CEO joining us as well
as a group run by folks like Don Caldwell  and Glen Rieger,  who will be joining
our board of directors, just very exciting smart people who we believe are going
to take this company to a whole new level.

JOSEPH GARNER: Nick, perhaps you or Rich could talk about, you know, some of the
plans that - to take sort of the  transformation  forward on the idea IBSX front
in terms of, you know, as many Internet  professional services companies are now
very quickly approaching  profitable and cash flow positive levels.  What's sort
of your  thoughts  and your  vision in terms of getting to that level with IBSX?
What has to be done and how quickly can you get there?

NICK LOGLISCI:  Rich, I'll take the first stab at that.

RICH MASTERSON:  Yep.

NICK LOGLISCI: I think some of the things we've done at IBS we've done very well
and some things that we need to improve  on, and we are taking  those  necessary
steps,  Joe.  Again,  I think it's  important  to  remember  for your  listening
audience that IBS was originally  founded as an ISP and a network services firm.
And we quickly  transition to the E services firm with the help of the merger of
Digital Fusion. Some thing we do very well.

As Rich  mentioned,  our  turnover  rate is very  low,  it's  half the  industry
standard.  I think it's  approximately  10 percent when a lot of other  services
firms are running upwards around 25, 30, percent in turnover,  which speaks well
to our employee base. I think that's a positive.  Our utilization  rates for the
industry  are very high as well and  they're  getting  tighter as a course.  The
talent is tight up there in the services but our utilization  rates,  we're very
pleased with those.

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The area that we do have to improve on and we've  identified - and we are taking
those  necessary steps - is looking at our billable rates and what we charge for
our  consultants  and we are taking  steps to increase  our revenue per billable
employee. So, that's some of the things that we're doing out there ..

JOSEPH GARNER:  INAUDIBLE

NICK LOGLISCI:  ... to improve our services side of the company.

JOSEPH GARNER:  Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, Nick.  But, where ...

NICK LOGLISCI:  INAUDIBLE

JOSEPH GARNER:  ... where does the revenue per billable employee stand
currently?

NICK LOGLISCI: I don't have those numbers in front of me, Joe, right now. I will
tell you  though  they are below  the  industry  standards  right now and we are
focusing on bringing those up.

RICH  MASTERSON:  Joe, Rich Masterson  here. As I looked at IBS I see tremendous
opportunity.  Here's a company  with - there's  tremendous  demand in the market
place for IT  services.  The revenue for full time  equivalent,  I don't have in
front of me  either,  but I can tell you that  it's  roughly  half the  industry
average.

If you think about that and say maybe we're successful with branding efforts and
through some  strategic  partnership of raising our prices by, even as little as
10  percent,  you see this  company  break  even  very,  very  quickly  and turn
profitable.

I should also say that Roy Crippen is doing a great job and Nick's doing a great
job in managing the transition to an e-services  firm,  because if you just look
at the  progress  over the last  couple of  months  you see that  they're  going
absolutely in the right direction. It's my job to accelerate that.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  Van,  Emerald  has said in  writing a number  of times  that if
there's  any such thing as an  Internet  value  stock - and I think we said this
about a year ago when it was - maybe that - there are many Internet value stocks
now - but we felt that this certainly was one.

Can you give us a quick run through of sort of what the Infonautics portfolio of
a companies  looks like because in my opinion there was always a little bit more
to this company than meets the eye?

VAN MORRIS:  Yeah,  today the  shareholder of  Infonautics  owns the following -
owned a piece of the following  assets.  One,  cash $13 million,  that's easy to
identify,  eBay stock that as of last week was worth roughly 9 million  dollars.
We own 20  percent  of Big

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Chalk  which,  Joe,  I believe  your  estimate - last
estimate  had that as 3 dollars a share to the - your  evaluation  to that was 3
dollars a share to the company.

Before we owned Electric Library and consumer business,  a now profitable $2 and
a half million a quarter, 10 million dollar run rate, revenue business, consumer
business on the web - provide an annuity business for the company, and also as -
had been  reported by several  folks there is a call option on that  business of
roughly two times revenue by bigchalk, the company that we spun out.

And then the Sleuth  properties and the technology  underlying those properties,
which has a 1.3 million registered users. The registered user base is growing at
a very nice pace. We're sending out on average, a million emails on per day with
a nice growing page in those properties.

So, today Infonautics represents a collection of operating and investment assets
where we think, in our opinion,  clearly, that some of the parts is greater than
the whole.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  Talk a little - you mentioned  Echo Factor - and I thought this
was interesting that you, I guess,  introduced this to the public market in your
earnings  conference  call  last  week.  We  haven't  had a  chance  to speak on
RadioWallStreet  since that point in time. Talk a little bit about this business
- - and I thought it was particularly  interesting that it seems to leverage a lot
of the technologies and capabilities that you developed with Sleuth.

VAN  MORRIS:  Echo  Factor  is an early  stage  development  project  inside  of
Infonautics.  It's  the  kind of  thing  that  we want to do more of at  Digital
Fusion.  Echo  Factor is a free  headline  syndication  service,  so think  free
iSyndicate with a GoTo.com GOTO;  http://www.goto.com/ audience auction model at
the back end.

Let  me  explain  -  and  by  the  way,   Echo   Factor  is  in  alpha  mode  at
www.echofactor.com.  In Echo  Factor,  which is a B to B  ingredient  play,  web
masters come to Echo Factor,  they identify  things that they are  interested in
having   content  on  their  site  -  let's  just  say  they're   interested  in
entertainment headlines or a specific sport teams headlines.  They identify that
to Echo Factor, they get a very small snippet of the code, which web masters can
put on their  site,  and now they get the daily Echo  Factor feed for that item,
whether it's a sport team or an entertainer right now, updated simultaneously on
their Website every day, with co-branded email that comes out from that site. So
instead of having to pay for content  syndication they can get free through Echo
Factor.

I think what's  important about it too is it did leverage some of the technology
but more  importantly,  we put together a small team, eight people,  on April 25
for Echo  Factor.  We told  them,  you don't  have a lot of money but go build a
product as quickly  as you can.  By the end of May they had a working  prototype
and by the end of this month,  end of July,  they've  got an alpha test  product
that's up in the market place that we can begin to experiment with traffic.

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So,  that's the kind of speed - and probably the  company's  invested  less than
250,000  thousand dollars to date - speed  operational  leverage that we like in
our early stage  investing in Infonautics  and that we think we'll do a lot more
of within that - within Digital Fusion.

JOSEPH GARNER:  Van, I'm going to pull out my calculator here. If I work through
some of the  evaluation  data - in the press  release it was  stated  that First
Avenue Ventures invested 6 million dollars to acquire four and a half percent of
the issued and outstanding shares of the new company, Digital Fusion. That would
imply a market capitalization of 133 million dollars at that level.

My math would  indicate  if it's one share of  Digital  Fusion for each share of
Infonautics,  and similarly for IBS Interactive,  Infonautics' shareholder would
own about 61 percent of this company.  That would value that stake at 81 million
dollars  or  $6.70  cents  an  Infonautics'  share.  How  does  it -  from  your
perspective,  just for Infonautics'  shareholders who may be out there, how does
that math look?

VAN  MORRIS:  Joe,  I've run the same - your  calculator  and my  calculator
work the same.  We run the  numbers  the same way you do.  There are a couple of
important points.

One,  we think it's a great  deal for the  Infonautics'  shareholder  - not only
because of the  transaction  but the potential on top of that  transaction.  And
secondly,  I think the second  point is that the market place should be noticing
that some very  smart  and  sophisticated  money in the case of - in the case of
Cross Atlantic and First Avenue  Ventures just came in at your  calculation of a
133 ($133 Million) market cap.

And so I think that clearly people who can carefully analyze and assess not only
the current value of these companies but the future potential of these companies
are  choosing  to invest at  market  caps that are north of where - where  we're
trading today and we think that they're making the right bet.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  Well, I got to throw you a tough one here,  Van.  Stock's up to
about 23 percent today,  so significant  positive move, but it's slightly over 4
dollars a share.  If this  transaction  is valuing  Infonautics  at 6.70 cents a
share, in your mind, why do you think we're trading here?

VAN MORRIS: I think we're trading because people need to understand the story of
what we're going to do with these companies,  they need to understand the vision
of what we're going to do with these  companies.  Again,  I said that one of the
challenges  that I've had as CEO of Infonautics is that you tend to be known for
your legacy than you do for your future or your potential.

And I think that people are going to get their hands  around the story,  they're
going to do their math,  they're going to take a deeper look in the  properties.
They're going to understand the trajectory  that Nick's  business is on, they're
going to understand the operating leverage from minor improvements and operating
metrics  and - in  their

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business they're going to do the research on Rich Masterson and his ability
to brand the company and his ability to help in terms of marketing the company.

And I just think that in the doldrums of the summer,  people are going to take a
little while to get their hands  around it but I think as they do they're  going
to realize the same things  that we think  smart money has  realized  and invest
along side the company.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  I'll throw this out to whoever  wants to tackle it. What has to
happen  from here?  What's the  process  that  you'll  need to go through in the
actual  formation  of Digital  Fusion and what kind of time frame are we looking
at?

RICH  MASTERSON:  Well,  let me start and then I'll pass it over to Van.  This
is Rich,  Joe.  Let me begin by saying  we've  worked on this transaction for
the last couple of months and Nick talked about kismet, the way the team has
come together.

Certainly for me it's been an absolute  pleasure to work with my two  colleagues
here and I'm looking  forward to a very close  working  relationship  as a team.
There's nothing hostile about this deal,  there's nothing  unfriendly about this
deal, we're all working together for the benefit of the shareholders.

And as it relates to the evaluations  that Van just spoke of, I just don't think
that the  shareholders of these companies can do better right now than this kind
of a play. This is just one of the most exciting upside  opportunities I can see
on the Internet.

You  cannot  buy  properties  like  the  properties  that  these  two  companies
respectively  represent,  you  cannot  buy  them  privately  at  these  kinds of
evaluations.  So, we're just  tremendously  excited  about the upside  potential
here.

Now, in terms of process,  you'll know that I may be a bit of a visionary  but I
always marry  myself with the guy who keeps the trains on time,  so I'll ask Van
to address sort of the next steps for the team.

VAN MORRIS:  Thanks.  The typical  process in this kind of transaction is that
it will take roughly a month,  plus or minus a couple of weeks,  to put a proxy
together and get in front of the SEC. The SEC then has the  opportunity to
review,  which they may do or may not do.  They also have the opportunity to ask
for additional comments, which they may do or not do.

In time  frames in moving  through the SEC are really a function of the SEC with
kind of thirty days being  considered at the low end of the time scale and sixty
to eighty-five days being at the high end of the time scale, Joe.

After it comes  through the SEC and they've  either  commented or not  commented
typically you put the proxy in front of your shareholders for between twenty-one
and thirty days. Roll all that together, Joe, it says that we anticipate closing
the transaction -

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or putting the transaction in front of shareholders for a vote in the fourth
quarter of this year.  And I will say we're  anxious to have that happen.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  Great.  Well,  congratulations,  gentlemen.  We wish you the
best of luck with Digital Fusion and I want to thank each of you for being here
on RadioWallStreet today.

RICH MASTERSON:  Thanks, Joe.

VAN MORRIS:  Thanks, Joe.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  You've been listening to a live interview with what will be the
senior management team of Digital Fusion upon the completion of the transaction,
that's  Rich  Masterson  of  First  Avenue   Ventures,   Nick  Loglisci  of  IBS
Interactive, and Van Morris of Infonautics.

RICH MASTERSON:  Hey, Joe, Rich Masterson here.

JOSEPH GARNER:  Yes.

RICH MASTERSON:  Before we sign off do you want to give us the details of your
recent spin off?

JOSEPH GARNER:  Well, my recent spin off happened last Monday  morning.  My wife
gave birth to a beautiful  baby girl,  Charlotte Ann Garner.  She's doing great,
mother's doing great. The details,  8 pounds,  2 ounces,  so she has a good head
start.

NICK LOGLISCI:  Congratulations.

VAN MORRIS:  Congratulations, Joe.

JOSEPH  GARNER:  Thank you very much.  So last week  being  earnings  week it
was a busy week for many  different  reasons,  so thanks, Rich.  And I want to
thank our listeners as well.  This has been Joe Garner of Emerald Research of
Radio WallStreet.com.

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