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Tsakos Energy Navigation Limited (TNP) 7 Oct 212021 Q2 Earnings call transcript

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Participants
Takis Arapoglou Chairman of the Board
Nikolas Tsakos President and Chief Executive Officer
Paul Durham Chief Financial Officer
George Saroglou Chief Operating Officer
Nicolas Bornozis President of Capital Link Investor Relations Advisor of Tsakos Energy Navigation
Ben Nolan Stifel
Magnus Fyhr H.C. Wainwright
Chris Robertson Jefferies
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Operator

Thank you for standing by, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Tsakos Energy Navigation Conference Call on the Second Quarter 2021 Financial Results.

We have with us Mr. Takis Arapoglou, Chairman of the Board; Mr. Nikolas Tsakos, President and CEO; Mr. Paul Durham, Chief Financial Officer; and Mr. Officer Company. Operating Chief Saroglou, of the George At mode. all participants a listen-only are in this time, be presentation will There a question-and-answer session. followed by a Instructions] you recorded [Operator advise conference must being is that today. this I floor And now, Mr. to I'll the pass Nicolas Tsakos Navigation. of Relations Energy of Bornozis, Capital President Investor Advisor Link Please ahead, go sir.

Nicolas Bornozis

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Takis Arapoglou

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Nikolas Tsakos

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George Saroglou

to Nikos, joining call. you earnings all our good morning you, Thank of and

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Paul Durham

George. Thank you,

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loss the losses the to on million, $XX.X and just the Excluding a relatively was million, loss the sale were net operating decent of in circumstances. the Suezmax', held overall $X.X net

and Our average quarter U.S. overall on in compared reverse the A quarter technical two two, also vessel have Operating and to this trade. TCE costs, market expenses especially $XX,XXX, revise. the down the dry temporarily, conditions since dockings, left the time contributed expect charter major also a to LNG higher expenses performance vessel weaker an X%. to expenses condition in the to carrier, dollar continues by but of due included perfect which we only as economy per prior TCE LNG total further although which to daily up pushed this a averaged addition continue $X.X in vessel to difficult its to dockings. quarter rising strong increased dry by been by a TEN's our held the managers given million

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Nikolas Tsakos

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Operator

ahead. today from question first Your of line Instructions] the Please Nolan [Operator comes from Ben Stifel. go

open. line is Your

Ben Nolan

and of with got given specific contract. couple. at is ordered. emissions I I is this this to it headed you're you say is Dual-Fuel, going you I to and customer of anything, or respect on with to I've what release you're the Dual-Fuel to that question moment, guess obviously, do So a Strategically, on be These and you where long-term strict press sort how the of believe, said maybe to But sort I'm be vessels are and conventional. wanted would if is request the was to looking probably Dual-Fuel? on build? be most fuel your a fair -- it less the that of what Or you're going LNG start that building uncertainty the

Nikolas Tsakos

Thank say, Ben. took you. many the, new we in would conventional invest And much, not anymore. you Thank I decision, very buildings we strategic

hold somebody's taking with when yourself. our which dive it always in into than partners strategic going So hand dive technology, it dive hand-to-hand, a better by it's into you to future is

is to until we uncertain from that the We take the now us. today seems XXXX. see way solution future -- The is the that and we today speak will as anybody where Dual-Fuel as the are be way that medium-term

ships. we know, you As building are

we XX took that's decision. why We this to are that ships last XX years, and would building

not we made have a the on too based model to we that a remember, decision came, most So the because new number have on a and the we of it piece vessels, and pass business in decision to been quite of conventional business was back future young you're XX created attractive of is XXXX. -- the offered decided on

had world's fleet On and I the convert whole think between started tanker had XXXX TEN the the time, we the that's full of soon new when this XXXX into way double-double aftermath future to the technology. the -- looking OPA fleet. design, And double-double-double in the very, and was this very before we XX, why that's what we're with

Ben Nolan

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Nikolas Tsakos

foresee charters that the will between the on to In this And shared get time and I will we contracts, the charters say sure long-term time I wearing have something that my be is I ex-INTERTANKO most charter of colleagues hat, -- to think our owners. this most make would my of I other foreseen.

I is think that fair.

is the to paying the it for burden unfair The for this. something we of I new ships. carry think whole technology are the owners are owners new building like

I design the years a we be charterers. has making and with users with it together XX are But our shared did when We end as to double-double investment ago. the think

So, quite discerning I have we long-term few of in we have think arrangement. them, a -- our so and contracts

Ben Nolan

helpful. X, we're last, curiosity, report Okay. ago. company -- so to I just of behind the how was months out it's what color as Any I the mean That's then to October And last two schedule? tanker mean,

Nikolas Tsakos

come. Yes. to be to the lot Well, and road had results. in on wanted States this planning do COVID that was to the of September, were able because XX our to migration to months we two come of you ago. would I it trying long of not of were do The my after Hall a Fame, to finally We able August, a were -- a end days permit We for to we here come allow the get and end show. and United award legislation, only us reason to the do was

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why award the that's XXXX. to in was it CMA award, was postponed. supposed Like I this March my So be getting at

alive. it got I glad I'm So

Ben Nolan

Well, to internationally congratulations, again. was U.S. nice to it felt use and my passport welcome the I And -- I traveled last week, and

much, so So Nik. anyway, it. Thanks appreciate I

Nikolas Tsakos

Thank you.

Operator

you. Thank

Magnus comes Wainwright. Please ahead. of Your next the go from from Fyhr line question H.C.

line Your open. is

Magnus Fyhr

to the Tsakos, Good and award Nikolas, Congratulations, new team, contracts the Aframax'. for the afternoon and

Nikolas Tsakos

Thank you. Thank Magnus. you,

Magnus Fyhr

of All Couple questions. right.

that that somewhere little of a should targeted know there's in that. what those would comment can give this a ballpark cost and Aframax the LNG years newbuild it you looks capability regular you. on contracts. additional like I know Can And a flavor contracts. Thank of kind cost? the be over few on you if I six $XXX further Just million. don't follow-up you on more stated returns a

Nikolas Tsakos

Yes.

to quite I you have accurate think said. that's what

to of companies from and that -- we faithful relationships country would country. to being, long I one shipbuilders to were have the able the say, our our I really of achieve because think always the contracts jumping been we and not

put there this building are technologically -- in not moving actually, building we have shipbuilding our are at keep another there, we vessels that new too to new we which and since us taking environment, So many gives comfort chances. because continued has without the the our trust that's 'XXs least Korean been on team

percent course, to gone an additional been as roof. able today, for the value, roof as have And the go steel to environment. least through those Of have know, steel sure, XX% cost, we were value XX% the because most have think you pre-explosion prices, as we the commodities at I through of ships achieve the prices XX going

So however, we -- for previous due we excitingly U.S. to the XX% vessels buildings. really build least pre-up are price those for the XX% six to higher new were prices a still, XX -- another four and very is major at significant at technology. the new complicated glad the company able to and there But oil

Magnus Fyhr

would these what timing And as Good. can comment kind of on vessels, far Okay. you as of see? frame financing time you and delivery

Nikolas Tsakos

we those certain hopeful, still very have right way. but in are meantime, we -- ships in now the are few delivery we every of are big lot the money a quite a very in we quarter And that will a taking deliveries Well, XXXX. start into

have LNG and the LNG January LNG for energy as seen happened has to in markets value. our you've is that which coming what We delivery to and the

if April, later with that is today we in paid good at think our to. have at here, I a the our could in for to hope vessel be for endeavor tanker. least million have $XX is next we Brazilian which more here, what And year, more situation we So million shuttle then flip than we $XX least in

will do Dual-Fuel the be to delivery. So from now for will things we have coming until

Magnus Fyhr

All right.

down and So assume that payments the spent you in XX% just regular down performance we should already XXXX? payment, then

Nikolas Tsakos

That's true.

Magnus Fyhr

a ask million with my sheet? you you the declined have night at and significant questions. on still sleep right. last question balance. have balance somebody let still $XXX I'll All cash But else can balance question cash to over The is, here, the to But

Nikolas Tsakos

now and there are we most turning the out Company been money delivery more obligations or for I've with These LNGs. of can way. obligations it do. said, the -- have as Well, the the management. have in yes, -- cash much we why sheet. shuttle cash our I think the in have not takes very that either we our And to And any its -- are we do to of tankers for correct are the hopeful the having we Don't had our are seriously forget, of and is see was that thing balance too criticized you -- I past market paid

peak all the And close $XXX $X.XX right step-up have top And our cash. of the from on that, million from of debt preferreds. billion, of $X.X XXXX reduced repaid in to now, have to we Company's that's billion. We

obligations, environment, X%. today and debt very So, we is we're are a significantly low are enjoying under very our we low enjoying which reducing --

So we I low, cost think that's do And to tons of million hope capital we billion very that X steel. forget have it close WAC lightweight of why and million we very, is our sorry, or that X.X X -- comfortable. feel not

of our fleet. about of $X.XX which values. $X still So debt very our scrap very, billion an supported is is by whole very, And our fleet young a excess fleet, in billion,

with this, a think environment, So market I all Paul, situation to today's comfortable of course. referred in

Magnus Fyhr

look at to award. Nikos, that's interesting congratulations Yes. it. way No, your to an

Nikolas Tsakos

Thank you. much. Thank you very

Operator

Your next go of Please line ahead. question Jefferies. comes from the

open. Your line is

Chris Robertson

Robertson you. Chris for How is on This are Randy.

Nikolas Tsakos

very I well. Thank you.

Finally, on of side the this Atlantic.

Chris Robertson

four put Congratulations award out following the the on two? build And up you then fair that the timing option I were of for say of Is down discuss on Yes. the new that additional questions period payments on as can the to you kind six? just on the asked. it well. guess,

Nikolas Tsakos

think That's yes. will I the January And situation. it be Yes, for XXXX.

Chris Robertson

And for be of any EEDI? comply then maybe requirements talk -- obviously, that can propulsion, the the from a the to we'll you III Okay. new or able design upgrade be that with will aside other new systems about the Phase

Nikolas Tsakos

have this -- I I be building our we an hope on think have is my I I to I one daughters new have engineering. going Well, to study But is And engineer's of line. think from the department threatening -- dream.

new a So our those become an to ships, engineer, teams. to in of have wants is I the vessels. I how for think she'll this. to really be to up family time in know someone all don't going the based construction good It but good LNG it follow what breaking very be she in But on experienced be we ground. already it's will our on

in sometimes the tanks Tri-Fuel being happens So we challenges profile The system spaces in LNG which vessels on vessels. are which to the knowledge gas, containment operating ships. the in retrofit the the will ships be those deck, I going that be Dual- due allocated or think similarity of have to of are for instead design the of

we new and of as starting charter, the the whole having we going very going said, -- are phase demanding So very, I ship. think think whole a And we design we're for high-class of that the this excited we're for ships. I are

in against a against XX-year long back a build ships. sorry, -- we we So again, did contract, a very our first as charter, XXXX when number first of XXXX, our double-double

Chris Robertson

on how between of about you common talk guess balanced kind about breakdown shares? thinking program, guys between ATM the the And moving that versus strategy the shares preferred two? can are in terms the I Sure. you to of the

Nikolas Tsakos

a common we the we about program we Well, about ATM in the ATM the a in as Yes. inexpensive way. think from have preferred the and in very million the I I continue made million way $XX I have efficient create and liquidity will And the breakdown release a program. press from $XX come And think to far. think, And so measured market. find have it

Chris Robertson

authorization on comment in briefly the you that remaining can And program?

Nikolas Tsakos

all is you're I what it think it's, or? George He's one Saroglou, keeping the listening. it, million George the -- if $XX who's is

George Saroglou

to level. close Yes, this

Nikolas Tsakos

X-X. million, another million, $XX $XX approximately

Chris Robertson

I think us. that's it for

Nikolas Tsakos

much. you very Thank

Operator

Thank the back will any I you. call closing hand now remarks. for

Nikolas Tsakos

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Operator

conclude Thank for you. Thank our you today. conference does That participating. for

all disconnect. may You

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