Earnings call transcript Q4 2022

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Operator

Good morning. And welcome to the 2022 Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call hosted by BNY Mellon [Operator Instructions]. I will now turn the conference over to Marius Merz, BNY Mellon, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Marius Merz

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Robin Vince

you, morning, us. Thank Good Marius. and thank joining for you everyone,

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Emily Portney

everyone. and morning, Thank you, Robin, good

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fees, in levels, and market Management. Security equity As was know, and headwinds and currency fixed Wealth XXXX factors growth across in Investment while Services and income and to by Wealth driven fee it like underlying you Market offset relates as market Services industry dynamics dominated

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Operator

[Operator Instructions] first Brennan Hawken. from question Our comes

Brennan Hawken

sure to current you was these First, years. here Emily our real to you work quarterly, won't but past congrats on few your a role. it pleasure I'm miss with new

down to the on expectations. love I'd NII So drill

market You of that current some walk indicated that drivers, moving XX% and the through that assumes pieces assumption. specific rates, but please assumptions it primary you maybe could growth more us underlie

Emily Portney

work Good morning, with been of as Brennan. all you And well. it's to great

as about So use NIR the our of that if would thing forward first you just basis mention I the think is we a the to outlook, curves projection.

probably So for we don't end The the get until you as [acute]. quarter, the of US by XXX assumes the about year. hikes XXX of followed try basis of that the assume Fed basis pause first to ECB. [Indiscernible] the the worth all by the hikes both And of a outside curves know, another points to in and points XX

I year, well I just actions in meaningfully of the portfolio. as, these the of and mean that, say, rebalancing et rates did throughout floaters, in positioned we as the result shortening securities the And portfolio rising that all that a by would duration, curves as but December, we adding the cetera. So taken obviously don't we've

to do significantly that, expect with all from So higher we yields. reinvestment benefit of continue to

marginal relates we so balances. dollar tempering deposits for continue to modestly, it, digits average. as course, to but increase, do low of to bit, quarter single fourth we expect call them And would expect Now decline betas, to from it to finally, non mid that a more

we're lot be levels there upon upside the I also So It retain there's more deposit that's and But if prepared market we outcomes. there's for say many NIVs. in uncertainty some year-on-year. and guide different certainly, highly a will what's behind XX% really dependent would of the

Brennan Hawken

the accretion this you some have prepared rather in your announced quarter it large on really was Capital positive guys and Emily. comments you encouraging made buyback remarks,

really, So look the if accretion like? I how remain what source from my yields does be How perspective. thinking think, should -- AOCI from was we big here, the stable of timeline we AOCI about surprise that should

Emily Portney

change portfolio rates, of over are to forward the portfolio The assuming forecast So the -- the close and realized. latest loss to it, probably $X.X XX would unrealized the of, latest doesn't course billion XX% expect call our in AFS recover of to XX months.

Operator

comes Our Alex from next question Blostein.

Alex Blostein

funds could of was bullishness a inflows you income us ecosystem a for There's hoping there frame mutual -- a the fees whole markets. ETFs? that in large Can our outlook I multiple question and Just servicing more particularly curious, fixed an and around fee kind and to we get how servicer fees of we specifically different as generally think start income broad touched I'm both help like particular ways. BK's with a flows, just fixed Is fixed guys overall assets, you ETFs. granularity little set it's as with versus of from difference, outlook flows, outlook very the could fixed on for a from to about income income 'XX. respect outflows? benefit when improved for hoping

Emily Portney

far so would not income averages that markets would fee base are well there's average what that XXXX. soft equity say be fixed the we think about that US, markets outlook, I off is from is case landing just our assumption as the as in a in what seen we've just as So relatively

would a is business. that funds. modest market highlight our You balances said as correct market strength investment fixed degree. any we our money platform I are does to money runoff the And in income of benefit well Having expect play in that that, that strengths just does some market the to management what also in do really

Robin Vince

just things of a that. to would add I couple

think the them, and a in Emily generally. fixed our a as of couple Just franchise, income water on the have you lot mentioned of across we Os of breadth

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Alex Blostein

on of And assuming it Robin, you're maybe ready step talk targets a the a operating and also were time? short I'm that like for past, not in have they're whatever about you a top the if going programs, the that as Is interest efficiency whole the to mentioned, kind you just when business in place curve are broadly, just of think you back year. goalpost ultimately forward as your the firm north the follow those your expense of XX%. sort nicely But about take what's my then leverage this ins sound up of in number the guys and outs guidance in but How bound remain that and you range incorporated that and ramping of in or of shipping term rates was programs line? you forecasting. you about sure yet, thinking pretax the but margin for over sort on

Robin Vince

So to question you're made but reviews. talked strategy and I'm progress. We've we're working the eye ongoing. we are think about line high on my the continue right the months that to into on They And four it. still work. performing growth, good and doing in I metrics some pretax on It's that key relate tenure. to across half also well, we're an just and the margins ROTCE, focused, focused driving but revenue top and to margin, using. we support true We are you you but look function on that true business have bottom really drive the are discipline also your as It's on profitable line, when the that. growth we exuding got think which through is with things a expense we've culture the on side side. We've

considering year Now look of you and we different transparency progresses. forward a are as to all KPIs some KPIs more we giving those variety the of

work, you And as talk we're the and do to so we about to it. come going

Operator

Our Brian Bedell. from next question comes

Brian Bedell

Maybe you bit, markets. to could from. throughout if income, shifting that have a you expect of of landing, you you a to growth talk could course, do there in deposits the that pretty what even is the thinking platform, actually Can you revenue us could every then expectations on and to pressure bit remind XX%, it's think. extent deposit areas, lot think soft fee don't sensitivity a talk have some that? scenario we gears a little where outperform say, on the In be market just a X% recession I resilient through equity you I'm or I we still And And benefit described to in declines, let's Emily? allocation that to plus also just of assume would if good about which of your a which against scenario, fixed the we

Emily Portney

probably. of think add on will comments Robin a So and couple I there,

sensitivity just income in fee our our terms fixed So market. overall, of to sensitivity

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Robin Vince

else. something me But Brian, just let add

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Brian Bedell

the be organic telegraph you revenue you -- then payments think venture the the just especially rate term investments year continue what of Robin, might think can contribution a definitely on sort might think sort you reasonable terms And if and if growth of this digital maybe, be outline just this But long initiatives these with year? or are in trajectories. outlined, maybe that you payments, growth want X, for or you've to of what Pershing growth rate --

Robin Vince

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Operator

question from comes Rob next Our Wildhack.

Rob Wildhack

about XXXX. wanted to the noninterest the to quarter-over-quarter. outflow the saw there. deposits growth. bearing what are for on bearing little bit Wondering in you And that more quarter. flipped what I appreciate ask color the deposits Interest accelerated side, a drivers I on

on So either would more color great. any those of be

Emily Portney

runoff So as And nonoperational deposit are and the that overall were NIBs was balances still modestly you at remaining very see. most for in levels. did can but a of down elevated quarter

it's trajectory what for XXXX. for worth just talking So when deposits about in the we're

quarter deposits to you majority modestly I in As average. XX% revert to the probably single to should total really seen our before, as XX%, it call we've from decline would we of low large from we that and are very of historical will back be averages balances said average fourth expecting they deposit expect about NIBs digits and because expect

Rob Wildhack

a sometimes this Robin, priority healthy then, difficult asset you be in established, That's servicing to growth And that's as business year. can a highlighted differentiate. for more well

to you growth what So of can accelerate the kinds are and to you do things do there? want

Robin Vince

component going then it in some and to I'm different conversation that. from that year of traction firms, we and remarks to a over And getting there all going prepared business for earlier days going see -- that it on are where C-suite are see isolated We she sale. that of prior good the had opportunities a we're think in or on these really well basis, but time. -- it. that up run opportunities with one, in this type a to start an because her mentioned that knows to Emily, in a very on a we last deals to the client is of package from that Well, sell gone us. is we new off we But because I'm service of digital capabilities, wrapped we're example variety data more selling pretty year, the already bundled really my small are more significant elevating I of the of into announced I give

So that's one thing.

to in is We also to acceptable will that we at some from business. and top efficient we've invest the business and that continue have made in focus. margin to continue the want in benefit will line cheaper I cost that line, that of the comments the not making and both point before you more that rates execution investing bottom the and

package of it's want all you I don't a So the Emily, know, to things. of if add. really

Emily Portney

to things Just a few add.

in and his I the alluded value and mandate winning mean, also So are Robin larger as very on focused we remarks, of profitability to overall. we're relationship higher yields, prepared the the but

our on focused the the pipeline thing, manually forward -- as and wins also segment, say we are very especially I even And the participate driving ETFs. we're very in inclusive Security mentioned, down have remain we to we that data course, our had data [indiscernible] Services areas And seen like other so pretty would of Likewise RFPs those means intensive. strong. were being the very more servicing is asset is that of very, which for we're critical, of and across XX% higher into in that selective Robin the trajectory the clients. cost growth in. And leaning off is component a businesses,

agency, transfer accounting. think think fund So

So there's sure. opportunity for there

Operator

Steven next from question comes Our Chubak.

Steven Chubak

no about early whether his cohort, I'm there recognizing you We the evolving? capital on the could have on or Emily, still 'XX. the capital going I in had future III, but Basel ago, proposal, IV. proposal. how hoping cadence influence of higher to you’re scenario had see finalization more something planning question hinted for you months was is coming at roughly for to moving But any is how So just has speech don't asked XX G-SIB management ask still given speak know the a earnings broadly, call requirements Basel just you we buybacks potentially that of the I that potential And

Emily Portney

the around industry involved regulators obviously in Basel very So around IV. conversations the with we're true. It's look,

RWA some offset also Of course, approach a for the what the operational crunch numbers, aggregate less G-SIB’s or into something drive the -- we are you've introduction also standardized there going for be And our there seen us. expect by itself, we in than increase are probably bit do the the our RWAs. talks standardized QIS. to When an of in risk suggest would, operating

sensitive a So sensitive probably to RWAs market risk from credit more lower and also benefit risk market modestly more risk framework. we’ll

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that -- can industry you, ongoing being. to into came that have have doing. too, in optimization been that the that's RWAs results ongoing You down actually will quarter, whatever up been end remind And just see I again, the time leg would from the we and we've

Steven Chubak

plan, quarters. realize drive up and other [op] as guidance expenses. implies level both expense reconcile the the margin on of actions, fruit, to it just Security hanging should improve follow think to reflect it expense will, over the was there's expense should second most of course steadily that for growth? segment and efficiency about to exit implement like of year, low derivative that efficiency given And we just where the my the area we the on lower 'XX relative still dollars for for specifically, where expect feels if growth And 'XX to some I of therefore, the you relates the start you of some benefits can the us expenses, planned expense what you the hoping you the the help in how Should Services that's to rate a for gains.

Emily Portney

services, think for to security been So really very for KPI are I'll XX-plus what because very medium kind focused margin of that's critical a answer already is on Robin we've that term. committed I said, And more over us. we the a percent margin about talking

NIR. somewhat XX% You'll we to fourth year, see benefit quarter for of the that from In XX%. full will XXXX, printed in we was the margin closer about

rates well decline Also, will be issuer absolutely NIBs. perhaps nonrecurring that as going revenue initiatives in offset to we have against that a won't on enjoyed been XXXX have mention, services, the services particular. higher we talking as are efficiency partially about. executing by in security focused we activity the XXXX extraordinarily modest When I'd So though, in you in think some also about just that there's in we growth

certainly QX security So but overall, putting than be what they're services when it we kind than at for margins printed going the all in you year higher together, full of to level. net-net, look the lower

progress. making we're So

Steven Chubak

think expense how wide additional some you efficiency that rate year. benefits exit we trying of reflect the cadence the course those 'XX trajectory just the the about basis, cited. I'm to the the had for should just should about growth of whether And firm for think expense over

Emily Portney

for of due that year. retirement see comp going quarter-on-quarter. the So higher employees. give front you first with to say expect bit but on of I staff guys are the we're expenses thing term I a mean loaded that over I'm quarter, the know actions and kind typically eligible incentive not you'll they're associated of we the long this to detail just taking, is what of would course, the only all much And too -- course

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year-on-year deliver X% are to in to growth X.X% about currency that to XXXX. expecting committed We constant and again, very compares deliver are and X%, of

Operator

comes Our Mike Mayo. from next question

Mike Mayo

think a hand tough Robin, inherited here. you I

mean they implies last quarter. with line your for typically X% were controlling BNY has periods with Looks off guide top of flat historically when coincides here, Mellon NII So you're expenses, starting do but that the I job had periods a better fourth down slower growth, like year. that's fees but

okay, about so not they're -- you or So much, slow revenues they've are expenses control it's to. already can slow, much so

to Robin, items savings or But when to decade, add it but notable almost going to items worth seems up are comes like year's of onetime earnings. part some over if billion, had that's that, efficiency notable you, this quarter. a a you of it be this as you So And items, just predates your $X.X your tougher. look

and efficiency and margin of pressures. is here your when question Mellon profit the you more been real the have you how improve out So environment BNY ratio your inflationary has revenue can tough and squeeze

are So a you terms I leverage basis? this of in positive guess turn core the confident on around operating how to

Robin Vince

people just has how past Mike, reflecting performance. terms company's done on they've in our in we what been decade done and I'll broad without say So acknowledge the terms have financial it, the of that disappointing that past of

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continue through So it and working we're it. we'll through to work

Mike Mayo

what share over be That can metrics and you your if are. time targets would great those of more

The growth other your have part is of you initiatives. that four said you --

any endgame, recent meat or mention post as metrics put something digital as to growth and get the assets did debacle. more on it's to initiatives. your just put far -- eventually concrete Can one revenues this more key to like four what’s of you'd where the bones on You you the or

color. Just a little more bit

Robin Vince

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Operator

Cassidy. Our next question Gerard comes from

Gerard Cassidy

deposits, noninterest a the Emily, than are normal. higher little mentioned on they bearing how you

XX%. could normal? -- think And so What's think them that keeping high? or of you but you you longer XX% year get up normal some to more I now to they higher see them deposits, they're to maybe you for drop remain do XX% real said expect trends to this total to back definitely said I second, levels, going do

Emily Portney

And frankly, lot that. there around of a is uncertainty

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our deposits. just mentioned really a we've our with gotten more deposits lot I that too thing other the in manage we and is The we how manage tools that sophisticated which

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Gerard Cassidy

to are about obviously, that, your of I us is like thoughts. just all is not credit bank concerned get it based bank, a a would quality. than guys' We any know fee bank your But

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Emily Portney

alluded portfolio I you've of reminder, quality think a it. as already The very our remains and just So to high.

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Gerard Cassidy

loan is the of Emily? that what of the book And percentage about, CRE

Emily Portney

about loans. X% funded It's of the

Operator

Our from Ken comes next question Usdin

Ken Usdin

Servicing. for just the you Robin, to thoughts earlier know some increase and on general I fees about view Asset talked

the movement organic if And what Just fourth in of quarter also, also like? specifically have a think growth in some on you Collateral to in see just nice Pershing wondering can the look Management. view you and it's --

those now if on well. two wondering areas what for is a as Just you the thumb have outlook

Robin Vince

the forgetting overall over fees focused from tackling we ways are of this of internal and the point course view, we So M&A just grow, the other blocking do of or those growth execution an what the in about can on company of and we to think any year.

on we've There haven't for things that -- We Look, two internal given so what growth. businesses but just we us we, we guidance of market. those is are reasons are -- the course too for to, to puts and so many both bright think course, time. have which and for out where over the be budget, that's are you fee and the working there businesses going because through that in been are just our spots that Emily called we of alluded many takes those of are credible where

prospects would good about we've underlying variety would company. above And And be about the so reasons be. we that be the above we different expect of only of those quite two to they a that already. growth feel average average, the are They're the not talked for the but ones that the

Ken Usdin

of the means the fixed peak on quick just for get about on think is you book follow-up and terms start able Emily, then on mix floating one of we of here investments? regards your putting sheet get kind more And that rate front to the with rate of the the you balance terms changing there that from that one how mix. yields types to you towards that cycle, in anything in securities you're type about what versus of of add the whether thinking as

Emily Portney

a lot there. there's So in

rates, portfolio. our terms nimble continue managing higher and been to line we've positioned right benefit very from just very nimble be look, now, in we're of I’d but to So Bottom that the of its duration to the portfolio been in memory in is the attention the for everyone's available and our sale. of call shortest recent is portfolio XX% more fact than

guess as to see I investment asset resets the the said, to off much So you security how is can exceed in the And of just retained relates -- about the years. in a and two it rates. quarter. that points of change. you was second lot of the environment reinvestment XX% yields, the I the of is is flexibility excluding has XXXX about range should we or roll to and very basis really as any securities think The it And at duration, that ultimately began difference can when swiftly the believe, in the three portfolio second XX%, time, the steadily expanded XXX quarter, we've act between about moment it in portfolio I securities [rate] assets fixed

math can you of So there. kind the do

Operator

And our Brown. final Michael question from come will

Michael Brown

kind as further my was question the is guess them XXXX, have out we answered. about and cuts occur I of rate Most before been some could end. think so assuming of market year into

to we see it's to some do that if heading pricing point, view Because guess deposit early we get way there, how betas generally not we're rate on where the that you expectation to higher the to on were your how we -- right? system Because your in the an performs is it point As I deposit up, back what that cuts? backdrop if about just were, where get rate banking modest than some broader cuts. start we think

So how in pricing the deposit about think environment? do that you

Emily Portney

on as pricing the way expect we deposit similarly perform down way to up. on the So it do did

benefit, we start also to costs quickly. the start faster. should because likewise, deposit get course, down, come that then very to And [par] down will -- benefit rates pull get remind we'll our down AOCI rates to just of you the will So suddenly that extent I'll the the coming come

Michael Brown

one just more then year full And guidance. the appreciate on annual NII,

As up you sequentially. about fourth it the XX% was look at quarter,

it's here trajectory. we the any moving guidance, a help on quarter? how annual view target, the I think us Within just to should range know any the think but about first about

Emily Portney

very mentioned, the of range I As is wide. outcomes

very trajectory most really if remain it's probably And So said, in It I quarter. dependent, NIBs the trajectory. hard deposit any really is like there's elevated, to predict the upside on there. given specifically

Operator

additional session question-and-answer to call our hand conclude does that any or like Robin remarks. that, with And over would for the back closing today. for to I

Robin Vince

are I'd looking franchise. the congratulate up He And client for and of his CFO, Xst all he's McDonough, in on Mellon Thank know, him taking CFO you running. growth us earnings in today's and call of call like be our a with of our team. as I by joined BNY February hit finally, driving to going role brings know as this her largest in first the time thanking her close our Dermot you, invaluable next to profitable forward starting November new and April. relationships CEO to to business. to that are welcome as our that experiences Servicing, role, her Emily you which to ground is operator. the to Emily like I'd Asset set

like So you for any with out Mellon. follow-up interest Be questions, that, you thank in Marius if your please And to I'd to have well. IR the reach and team. BNY

Emily Portney

you. Thank

Operator

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Bank Of New York Mellon (BK) 13 Jan 232022 Q4 Earnings call transcript