FORM - Earnings call transcript Q1 2019

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Operator

Thank you, and welcome, everyone, to FormFactor’s First Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. On today’s call are Chief Executive Officer, Mike Slessor; and Chief Financial Officer, Shai Shahar.

As a reminder, this call is being recorded.

Before we begin, Jason Cohen, the Company’s General Counsel will remind you of some important information.

Jason Cohen

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Mike Slessor

for Thank us you today. and thanks joining Jason, everybody

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Shai Shahar

Thank and good you, Mike afternoon.

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Operator

[Operator Our Instructions] comes B. first you. from Ellis from Riley Craig question FBR. Thank

line open. now Your is

Craig Ellis

and for with you. what's been spending start question and on the taking tough a in the the for well congratulations Thanks Mike, executing on economic environment I’ll question quarter.

were at As that. there noticeably the in on on business business look expectations out we the congratulations overall Logic that the expecting, versus particular business performance better Foundry the But than quarter? and for the so I details did stood it anything of in revenue looks your that was like

Mike Slessor

No.

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think DRAM result led we presence our overall a thing about DRAM relatively DRAM what's environment. weak a the strong say pretty the across DRAM, customers can spending I to leading same in

Craig Ellis

sticking so, other updates points, the look at all And like just transition following that seem over if on are month DRAM last or we manufacturers with doesn’t it commitments. technology

deviate to there opportunity through things meaningfully seems volatility year some look or DRAM the other. should current up that’s specific may are Mike, customer in this there levels, the year next is business So that with that largest It the does the to despite way you at backdrop cause not market the where gain provide the that one hang year will share least year? perhaps a but manufacturer the that a business can in coming

Mike Slessor

I RDRAM times see optimistic a and design the question reminding the our new it continuing quarter. that get design of business move through. of some the look to new things as and foggy at to as Craig, we pretty with good through little those probe limited. out card second pretty some by both we customer healthy And quarter, on by a is I everyone move new of inside indicators certainly half, leave think I’ll that pretty second couple new lead these start us visibility designs a driven we transitions activity, But then activity but if to a of backlog move significant a products notes, move

in leaves market XXXX? that in maybe of the there's compete And three and each node challenging as designs going each more end customers trying DRAM investment shrinks part with DRAM, be of in them was than for major certainly to continued innovate new in other in us middle it so that to the optimistic, in what’s

Craig Ellis

Thank back our systems margins, gross expectation, Shai mix And then back you. take saw that hop the it we for seems look I’ll other variances? the in you for be versus and the on meaningful last change the the I one commentary cause we were shifting so upside the it queue. Shai, second of for just dynamics a favorable the seems into the gross guidance end out what margin percentage when of that quarter some for decrease other the Or quarter as a quarter-on-quarter. just meaningful but there first could such the business? Is the then positive to there's volume system And like way? quarter called helping

Shai Shahar

Craig. Thanks

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high And product QX. range. impact so, little factors small there was warranty, better and other the of So factory that our end were this some and better better is utilization XX% quality revenue the a of of

in but expect this is Looking business has the second because margin the in QX, into mix of repeat higher don't the systems impact mix. impact, ship a they're the to that of revenue small gross again about than the high at QX biggest midpoint are to quarter. products We

Craig Ellis

it. Thanks guys. Got

Mike Slessor

you. Thank

Operator

comes with Stifel. our Brian Chin And you. next question from Thank

Your line open. is now

Brian Chin

questions. the letting to few job thanks Nice ask us team and afternoon. Good a for Hi.

Mike Slessor

Brian. Thanks

Brian Chin

at it's the your guide first revenue up midpoint did achieve you the is XQ QX. slightly looking My revenue of in question level from

as Just the memory terms curious of trend outlook? SOC of in well what segments terms is the as expected in your Logic the

Mike Slessor

Yes.

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there, beginning need product shelves awaiting our we've end customer’s nanometer ramp the have some Some that consistent activity different the is at the dynamics publicized on of the largest been to with all obviously year. XX

see that the to there of some of said, We're So in a edge bridges but leading Foundry that's QX, upside as QX of it we've and so and beginning event. mid-year the probably sort Logic. event,

memory described memory -- see the are answer is I with think tale the activity, a activity in of to design obviously markets. Craig's In we I it's but of how pleased we shipment activity. the future overall is leading of also question year the DRAM in the middle two indicator really different shipment which

we like So, QX. QX feel pretty steady DRAM probably going to

us. for I NAND a think mark bigger probably flash question

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little, and little a Foundry engineering steady being probably maybe as think bit. of I Logic a DRAM systems So distracting and a maybe up We constant she growth. see goes bit roughly flash little

Brian Chin

helpful. Thanks Mike. Okay. That's really

in activity, certainly robust I'm you inputs, some pricing a your terms some they slightly but a seen in reduced business the and seen down wafer impact we I stream Following any for first whether thus curious in if sort effect cycle that on DRAM up on two could half sort have have on standpoint of your on design might concrete earlier them. you've think terms of maybe against typically that in than impacts moving of utilization counterbalance second revenue market? far from they think rates, reduced have evidence of things DRAM, a

Mike Slessor

Yes.

trend advanced I move the architectures. a is our be new us. which that's pushing much continues of is larger new about now we've see memory think good One direction, leading strong customers effect we obviously but HBM. that to this towards packaging pretty a for talked in the from manifestation some all past see And we and designs of that in to

wafer probe wafer they down because a starts existing have of that's to designs I on something tooling think and test obviously when they have the the nodes probably cards need loads. peak we existing don't visibility to they and lot ramp already

driven new robust nodes even or that And these so business to in to ramp pretty by our is And designs again existing older nodes designs continues transitions as activity old new be typically down. on nodes.

Brian Chin

back ramp Okay. in That's helpful. and here CPU sense. quick XX QX. One QX in demand terms and last some one, It the of you're makes one also participating that going nanometers driving that

XXXX? call units about year. better chips a think talk It the did for sometime of versus ramp early also process end CPU a maybe maybe into by terms positive. the I year nanometer terms to in customer their that on server and things client in faster sustainable on in robust the on they what through so follow talked about and of that like of terms recent of And speaks the CPUs that follow than slightly XX server sounds them on talk more ramp. where a revenues next continue CPU you remain Can

Shai Shahar

Well. Yes.

I is think transitions design more general going transitions in customer drive and aggressive our business. node help getting to with any

the continuing customer move mature that. designs a years quite that looking new which XX new for successful move node whether And them nanometer us as a of we're to node onto make more has pretty any excited with forward to to of customer nanometer for very continuing that or over and that that eventually see node Obviously, volume to a progress. drives to saw our bit designs XX it's of innovation been So then business. the onto we're past it couple we kind the move the drive

generally So us. positive the trends for described be would you think a I

Brian Chin

All Thanks much. so right.

Operator

from [Operator Christian in Instructions] Craig-Hallum. comes you. Thank question Our Schwab next

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Christian Schwab

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Mike Slessor

Sure.

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packaging, three with was The one associated being three growth element the advanced automotive. of mobile being some we talked about opportunities; two being other data,

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Christian Schwab

there and may. of if M&A, you there has or that question name and to Cascade the I but fab technologies Great. after It And if think lab with a to areas then you're any those I thinking about successfully obviously out do you? my you're your Is setting of on to some opportunities Microtech company putting us how M&N last kind update could company just you up into potential are an guess strategy. not in thank leveraging give going or

Mike Slessor

can I and remind update things. the you No. you Yes. some of give general

to we So what do the we've said to to the and of will Cascade both hope we is a kind a that The part for strategy. was continue combination our buy deal serve be But good trying again. lot thing don't shareholder want Microtech a very companies M&A of roll up We think use of in value to new market. our in existing pieces capital to leadership of positions there's service markets. same

anything an synergies revenue Microtech around to and out we looking at a to deal advanced Cascade of product measurement, G&A good in leverage out our can the electrical term metrology that compelling and into where our get as force, business you of of our look drive question in out packaging are resonant that the roadmap. with Certainly of have in and test are becoming areas a we adjacencies. interesting and instrumentation, the overall like new places then industry arguably we're costs, really get then fixed So our sales synergies part long roadmap of

Christian Schwab

That's great. you. Thank

Mike Slessor

Thanks.

Operator

you. Thank

comes Securities. question from next David Duley with Our Steelhead

Your now line open. is

David Duley

talking a big Foundry goes your their they've half my wondering as in the been I about for recovery certainly in far largest business as Thanks question. of was taking second customer the year.

performance half the the year. first that If your half think kind of a they're seven first ramping -- how XX% or it's half of achieve that's and like XX% able first that of the I over would lot versus nanometers up second business? to impact half

Mike Slessor

That's a question. good

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that the the mobile expansion into in think new not part customers of performance for compute is designs and it I the multiple space. fabulous space in the but just multiple exciting with customer new high us

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half we second as if to to there's the adopting seven nanometer that foundry seven are in if opportunity so is there. going strong packaging get and I us some And for plus I nanometer business advanced think those think look – the people

David Duley

with half be half over growth more would it So, associated but seven more revenue what not than nanometer the ramp? overall

Mike Slessor

on I nodes think XX, seven really so. there exposed advance below. We're and

David Duley

a bond, advanced and packages. the be that Okay, front is to is, that RF wanted And and intensive the discreetly advanced to parts the filters think And the about of great. just parts? packaged your for of going XG on is then packaging XG. that I be that antennas I lot understand going much wondering RF right it the more your I'm perspective what to some way perspective just are end in soft is

Mike Slessor

Yes.

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and of are We architectures the of cards be. people for probe ecosystem. But still are this out multiple designs packaging and really semiconductor are XG different to their chipsets cards sorting what units and inside therefore strategies sampling going shipping a lot probe

as people build RF advanced an interesting roadmap fixed some some take RF of but yet. the know packaging there that spectacular and customers modules advantage performance, of I is opportunity of or been most to the I think that's its don't on really RF

be factor. So development. would one and opportunity there certainly XG an one helping enable with get we're If opportunity we fantastic us for early in that that for

David Duley

and is not it going the packaging are me parts antenna if Yes. is advanced these intensive? be to cap and top Maybe a the you because XG phone phones of let because ask probe more to packaging for way slightly better advanced packaged test parts different in lot front-end a

Mike Slessor

more a memory I still DRAM days think just to probe Logic. packaging high-bandwidth dampen XG lot some in make everybody's in trying jury's is employed as of was feels It out advanced fan-out as it but modules intensity for early The test integrated of the us. going be awfully is I to in still is. those point just It's and whether on not is was to to enthusiasm, was

David Duley

way one year your customer Intel of for lot their packaging fan-out. a Final in to customers as you start programs me, in other next big you've the the programs just largest question had about founded their integrated advanced customer, But with leading such kind ramp in customers to you packaging some this I'm area. of wondering more large or of expect so? do in sort advanced read

Shai Shahar

any they don't question will. there's think I that

Law. with just transistors. get I is slowing you longer the cost cost as no the to Obviously the the to be. footprint shrinking way customers another and that packaging of at from are clear performance, the used way advanced effective Moore's always transistors dealing quite that as look If shrinking mean offers innovate attributes they've gotten it it's the overall industry easy therefore to major the and and

would whether things next And in the fan-out, talked customers drivers advanced [ph] are packaging it past. so be in integrated and adopting our about be all we HBM full it foreign application that great year, whether factories that of it the whether are leading be business the

David Duley

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.

Our with Tom next from D.A. Davidson. question Diffely comes

Your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Tom. I on guess XX between the mix the nanometer right XX nodes they This ask the now? afternoon. the Logic is Are same? I'll is Frank questions. us What start side. for Good and for Thanks letting currently Hi.

Mike Slessor

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Unidentified Analyst

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expect XX the how long at to do that you it you how Or XX nanometer the and launched stay. when So node? new – nanometer designs do expect

Mike Slessor

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at stage long independent expect an XX to for awfully I'd nanometer be almost how of game. fast rounds nanometer So the this of XX around time

Unidentified Analyst

then your Okay. And jumping you. to the expectations I what for And quarter? RF, Thank are the year? the changed guess for your did demand then during expectations

Mike Slessor

the in As seeing midyear said remarks we strength RF. prepared in are some I

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Mike Slessor

Yes.

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Unidentified Analyst

All right. much. Thank you very

Mike Slessor

Thanks.

Operator

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Craig Ellis

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Mike Slessor

Yes.

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Craig Ellis

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Mike Slessor

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Craig Ellis

very you Thank Mike. much,

Mike Slessor

Thank Craig.

Operator

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Mike Slessor

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Operator

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FormFactor (FORM) 1 May 192019 Q1 Earnings call transcript