CBRE - Earnings call transcript Q4 2017

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Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the CBRE Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions].

As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. pleasure your my Investor Brad now Relations. is to host, introduce Burke, It you. Thank

You may begin.

Brad Burke

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Bob Sulentic

morning, everyone. Thank you, good Brad, and

in with local CBRE, year up X% results currency up X%. fourth capped EPS quarter Our excellent revenue for another and adjusted fee

our discussed the exceeded earnings we Our call. performance on third quarter significantly expectations

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our Technology, markets were market connectivity significantly and businesses First, driven and XXXX. Americas sales leasing between capabilities base we meaningfully to to added both On global business and digital the property businesses. drive efforts to build focused share and market M&A. & the leasing our our outperformed our Data the capital gains through by of broader These recruitment in outsourcing talent

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Jim Groch

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summarizes With considerable in of cash the to a make year. financial and is any Please to X, CBRE well-positioned the strongest as and those quarter our globally terms in in increased acquired liquidity, by We our about including M&A deal in to As tech-focused flow, turn the operating These X%. as the highlight market grew growth free available, opportunistic turbulence. the weathering advisory, organic Bob activity rate. investments when market. companies. low ends management, CBRE Slide well XXXX, rationale which and in revenue while enhanced position investment company's retail I'll strategic returned In year, capabilities management, as mentioned, more two line we the real fee companies few project XX pace long-term software-as-a-service history. position year high leverage, this points our organic performance brokerage, estate QX business. financial

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Slide please Now remarks. turn XX for Bob's to closing

Bob Sulentic

Thanks Jim.

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our modest growth market additional share share. should expect expect business, which fee Occupier rents by revenue revenue gains and growth. of low-to-mid-single-digits our mid-teens we includes in and gains. XXXX, sales solid combined markets, achieve to For we as origination outsourcing in Capital realize reflecting leasing mid-single-digits revenue should increases mortgage increase

earlier, our pipeline it's Jim been. business this stronger is As noted ever than in

estate with low-double-digit investment Management. Services from positive contributions Development both XXXX, expect adjusted EBITDA from We real our and in Investment growth businesses

net expense. expected also We amortization approximately additional million, reduction more our depreciation expect million of $XX a than expense $XX interest of in and by approximately offset

for have created that mentioned, benefit from will in and These to great rate opportunity tax opportunity. XXXX. advantage us our we effective into a business Jim to savings lower invest back As take a tax intend CBRE of

as sales We investments well to are benefit those well at efforts. growth of our will from aimed sound as make in oriented commercially suited business initiatives areas tools technology that

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expect the EBITDA full-year approximately We adjusted margins of XX.X%. for

continue outsourcing shift mix you to and on intense reflect focus in investment margins our XXXX. elevated and expected Our our of growth expect time, a the noted costs the same reflecting non-U.S. level stronger in At above our can businesses.

and expected in of growth of growth rate, increase lower we at per attributable $X interest X% adjusted EBITDA in share for expect Without adjusted per approximately depreciation the effect open operator, with we'll have effect and lines to the amortization. XXXX incremental savings, reform that We and achieve tax $X.XX from EPS X% XX% double-digit represents increase for of share higher earnings investments With EBITDA mid-point, would XXXX tax XXXX. growth, to an to combined and in a discussed, we adjusted and to adjusted XX% questions. the which range the the the

Operator

open floor The you. Thank is now questions. [Operator Instructions]. for

Paolone J.P. from coming first go Our is of Please Morgan. Anthony ahead. question

Anthony Paolone

XXXX is kind a multi-year add shift cost EBITDA you then is step to sort Do into of see you level? on drag question this on that's new mixed it Thank talked investments investing basis business. a also and of margins the continuing in structure you those the first quarter. then the this the any and as good the on and kind about acting of My margin, up of and some or

Jim Groch

would XXXX. say Hey by XXXX of in leverage of occurring Anthony, over investments in We these more hopefully operating business are majority I Jim. anticipate this would line getting nature. is still

Anthony Paolone

a then like pickup seems And where outsourcing pretty more give little on Okay. you're revenue you it growth to you geography business us or notable by seeing either function or be XXXX? head a -- the that into as color in industry what's acceleration could and

Bob Sulentic

various And the work see see this is but to going we're to work think us behind Tony, of was got we're expecting hard, GWS Europe. to Hey, We we there year, well-positioned lot Well grow the that fruitful. a that Bob. and it long verticals integration and in next in. work really very business in an which we're we've

additional the firms, globe. So one then leasing some become work we're we that earlier now talked around is And our with of about to work work big see services growth. multiple with We're firms starting technology health these for driver of do really clients. the the of seeing lot financial us to a care. ask services That's in things, a a lot

XXXX. to So we're through it's encouraged came through again the very it our about XXXX; come in going picture, numbers in for

Anthony Paolone

time just some was when this to was to And that really win from a that, given you of when pickup starts it contract like kick-in. visible that it takes

you So to XXXX, trying a see lot of in worked what just we're going to on or in about -- you kind think of -- XXXX

Bob Sulentic

complicated big are These contracts.

of new time, where about a lot comes it our and to our of awful hundreds is talks there land start to adding Bill lot the of Concannon, all But comes contracts actually global from companies effort we ramp so on have that's and this there And thing a big going another work. now up growth of from of growth, but bunch is with these a before you that you're services you this an our large When outsourcing great have. our care good. have odds for accounts of really, on they've our do underway call working account or occupier already we one and given work talked outsourcing or them we with line expanding really on you, what business of are business the clients we about effort the comments that in earlier within client Green Dark And initiative. we accounts, business,

these clients, seeing. through an very growth of We it's what are part important increasingly it's That's good definitively doing work for our rates. in coming absolutely and measurable you're

Anthony Paolone

for it just with get then what's to And net it. offset cash some interest just XXXX of like D&A picture? you on money flow like looks CapEx then save the kind get cash of question, Okay, you'll got expectation but in last

Jim Groch

Jim. its Anthony,

XXXX. we're I think that going -- you'll shortly, it'll from be to up we've our got see but put coming out -- in XX-K slightly

Operator

me. Excuse Thank you.

next Jason from Evercore ahead. question coming Green Please Our go is ISI. of

Jason Green

morning. Good

in seeing terms environments Just are a leasing short obviously versus wondering in any kind thinking people question long-term a leasing or of hesitation aggressive on if the you're quarter, deals? strong long doing environment. deals about very of deals leasing doing I'm

Bob Sulentic

pretty going between be is the XXXX XXXX. stable and think to we leasing Jason, environment

causes One and the that growth just employment. a out very circumstance factors to or where real expect of full there leasing growth we seeing getting pretty we're employment is we're close that's

a the year. one the factor see did or it's that's going way year next this is outlook of past amount view of leasing of our in market reasons So our we for forward think we the But in it leasing growth the flat. kind approaching

Jason Green

Okay. more you about And is should one prepayment thinking we anything going any calling, regards penalty debt, the just with guys question be to associated there in then those, are forward? the bonds

Jim Groch

$XX million a there's Jason, premium. call

Operator

Thank you.

question Yulico UBS. of Please Nick is from go next coming Our ahead.

Greg McGinniss

morning. Greg on This good for is Hi Nick Yulico.

curious this of some on questions via of guys that couple of Sort M&A these capabilities added were? you year with M&A, specific

Jim Groch

is Greg, through I'm run happy Jim. to yes, this a few.

mix real and world a enhanced our but really of So clients. serving of new our or and people the focus to capabilities on clients bringing acquisitions different either was our different parts businesses, our

example. Convergence. the a company business. Aurora; Australia, firm acquired retail France, their familiar it a great capable, project we're was a Investment business management and as out group largest called on So we side it's they Caledon in security on we our focused and we focused side, is a the thought very public that's acquired called and we business customer, is We healthcare work an the Management In a it management a lot platform Mainstream global a a really this new -- that's and totally the called a In acquired have opportunity liked one consultancy a example our fund a product strong business. been infrastructure which globally order infrastructure. a In software-as-a-service is it infrastructure is private space, on were business rolled with on that product had so

those additional But So few did XX overall a three and acquisitions in companies. investments are we examples. equity

Greg McGinniss

And have sort to in there. that deal may see liquidity of make any I appreciate think started rationalization you XXXX, a that may color possible make I the really M&A with maybe potentially a pricing XXXX? deal your And bigger in bigger

Jim Groch

Yes. We or our can large don't might selective deals. you real see the really on from might give around any not we're when deals but color large occur, guidance history, or they

five, chased dozen that, others. the of didn't deals in the them, last more So of we've on five, dozen won the so bid years, we've more went so or any of after, large or than we we

loose of particularly always kind think and are that break trying they the when they we're So what for to accomplish. deals do we’re to prepared we achieving strategic

Greg McGinniss

right, in All in gains been? one you XXXX considered thanks. your what additional sales and And businesses on question the just XXXX, from curious have to spoke share more now I'm gains just leasing share market in me, you market

Jim Groch

the markets Well, capital I'll hit business.

look market double you for to have marketplace. Capital a at competitor. the which If is year data more next XX% On we leasing in market at share Real do basis Analytics detailed share getting the pretty closest evident survey is are that think gains about points they hard almost our its

Operator

Thank you.

is JMP question from Please Securities. of Mitch Germain coming next Our go ahead.

Mitch Germain

of Thanks be with goals? hit be more for question constantly to progress and question. made kind to evolving, much of if ask place to target it's are versus way you how different has to to tech taking going regard my but you now, where to want want were you Tony's I those a where obviously a

Bob Sulentic

technology. closely that we our in across that we our we're we and our thinking of income watching -- of of teams to view this do one in I ramped going of aren't we services XXXX, need capability. to all on business, you small I about lines create real expenses biggest for closely clear it commercial technology across there. ourselves of and in lines think it important it's that work and We've we to investing risk leadership it the will development we to and we statement be to ramp that And dissect board. enabling what to studied the focused relates really technology our of going very some a would XXXX, tell We've our things first you bring but are with implementing our for it's and are budget expect that. the again We're enable going for were as business extremely area. on in technology tools And be our we want doing how them. closely as it's the with important business, technology estate to is all enabling you that some up of to need Well, continue our got we digital studied team context think in and in heavily, we've that be XXXX, capabilities ourselves if but Mitch, We're other in very general we're trades digital whole but about parts that areas to our find growth disintermediated. to of that up to

Mitch Germain

sales, helpful. low-to-mid-single-digit are there One commercial one investment growth markets. that's each financing talking respective there up real those as your that you know Great, should into capital segments think is how streams big is are about side, we of about roll guidance? one Obviously I two right. you

Bob Sulentic

to interest sales rates. about grow debt. might with a happen concern going some in is the what market more slowly There's obviously little than Sales

underwriting having other assets; underwriting growth they're little value. is The and buyers a are of thing bit trouble

side come than will little to market will of But growth growth taking more in we the year amount it sales, share. from look refinance result grow next rapidly. people a a debt. things cause some type And So that the of as significant grow think debt sales more which for slower of slowly we will low-to-mid-single-digit

Mitch Germain

will on for just a line likely that now? kind Is to on Got time or refinance for of the the sit little the it. line longer-term of kind pay thought to Smart sit move down debt. maybe the portion the

Jim Groch

refinanced refinanced million So term in also of we line, loans. when we our October, $XXX

Mitch Germain

Yes.

Jim Groch

$XXX we simultaneous remaining will down million which to delayed on of is the there when of roughly $XXX bonds. did we we million draw negotiated -- the actually a million we term take and What we call the feature $XXX actually only loans drew

little, line prepayable and are penalties. a loans any, -- won't it no credit so if with term will really sit on anytime of the at And the five-year and

Operator

Thank you.

Our is of Jade go ahead. coming next question from Please KBW. Rahmani

Jade Rahmani

very Thanks much.

Just assume say repurchase. that the a drawdown entire allocation would what How you the between much loans? debt cash the we on capacity term you'll the and the follow-up -- term on Should loans? is

Jim Groch

Yes, at time fungible. we'll down, drawdown the capacity the it somewhat it's but we take

Our first where seasonal are two more quarters period little use we cash.

So down said loans, the there's end evolve no of see we'll take down no year. full -- we'll the that is pay I throughout how so pre-penalties, the like there a term early we may as to decide as things year, bit the

Jade Rahmani

Just so on increased I trends or about in respect salesforce you any interest reflect? see you are clients comment feedback hearing you wanted rates. could concern the recent the with -- appears rate any on volatility XXXX, initial of stock outlook to as some if from to mentioned to market far interest your the

Bob Sulentic

in stock they institutional there the years. real hearing assets We watching and there's some we're more has it now them stay is the concern, they're we've what we're and several closely concerned, seen to from of for of reason it to level watch they're them buyers market, estate overwhelmingly not think what close but been very than from hearing

good don't I economy, the one why sales add. their in reasons mind I might and will commented we on that's growth So that's there of an real be otherwise a as volumes earlier, this year think in that's,

Jade Rahmani

deal think you stronger to initial maybe heightened capital types adapt terms but year that? the then So those cause slip seasonality closings could markets on in concern, softness follow-up, do that of conversations as in out earlier of could part And beyond the a to the see of people in perhaps play you XQ?

Jim Groch

you back clear a good a last in is quickly bit more little the look can or our than is bit couple X% X% impact the think in periods say last and in what surprise few rates price generally between and where volumes. based impact on and of last a If much moved this move But month on with of have seen messiness on overall, Jade, of see little have bit. didn't kind years I generally you the have a rates, around Jim. treasuries then quarter much of a days. wait cap get didn't can guidance would I discovery people or for a kind including two we've expected up XX-year

Operator

Thank you.

William coming Please Blair. next go ahead. question Our of Sheldon is from Stephen

Stephen Sheldon

questions. and good taking my for Yes, morning thanks

First, just pipeline for is to in more XXXX, outsourcing growth just given include half the does the as in of of momentum continue progress the guidance currently the tougher the contracts mid-teens and the factor in kind first towards the that does occupier additional in year you only guidance weighted given year through the comps or it in pipeline?

Jim Groch

some those on it baked It's our we was estimating to obviously the going in as to of year or guidance and estimate really guidance, to of reasonably a they'll about we our that the based back But process to of on the the weighted we there weighted had guidance, don't we ever be the our we've little bit. it to that back during and as did mid-teens year expect and are met come confident exceeded half little in give guidance and point, the particularly to be that feel the a we're lot XXXX we've based pretty come for pipeline and the more is they landed in, got, when call our awful online. revenues timing expectation well actually at this but -- as that we've strongest contracts and some half whereas year

Stephen Sheldon

noted EMEA XXXX? be to any we revenue incremental Okay. from And outsourcing going then, win fourth in large in I outsourcing as flowing that did you occupier you occupier or a think is see EMEA quarter, in the look that at

Jim Groch

have There's would get these lead time on usually pretty so little hit to that a up running. contracts Very and good far contract.

Stephen Sheldon

the on this just I potential to they in wanted you expected FX color a revenue currency kind or the sure make the boost growth appreciate kind do line, are of service by from year? factor then rates And Okay. trends generally of constant growth give

Jim Groch

in we'll at on boost at set our -- rates We've when that got budget budget we But in so budget send into FX. we curves baked of over little for we've that's four we'll and typically when exchange got the -- our X% we're looking look already. maybe a will baked our some

Operator

you. Thank

America question next Lynch. go Ridley-Lane coming Bank is of ahead. David of Please Our Merrill from

David Ridley-Lane

around on I deduction Reform to would you. Tax pass-through the mean not Good about but clients. on potentially morning. income like, the wanted and has on own on pretty seem investments U.S. XX% to a I ask or that of like impact CRE increased through and Thank you, the your LLCs factored the would? activity the buyers prospectively meaningful into psychology levels benefit that

Bob Sulentic

been Well, broadly has in the real -- the changes estate. were publicized good tax generally for code commercial the as

our for them. As a it clients, it's good relates think to I thing

I large corporate dollars more to like be a they're have to a think invest going result as are other to going profitable ourselves more as result.

and economy view more been result, how to to run the will it's inclined should going by from way I to benefit our both when both they things the the a do the so benefit add at the look forth sides and business employees think occupier positive their enhanced as think be of we positive and that in on long you get has side, positive a and sides. side I business. tax And changes code, investor our size the of

David Ridley-Lane

average Investment the an incentive the are expecting Development, businesses on then for kind you're projects this and core EBITDA for of guiding the management? driven year more double-digit of fees is growth that the and And above under or in asset and assets by principal Understood. Management sales you growth XXXX guidance

Jim Groch

very Investment process global asset are not Services kind of a doing record raise, projects The of The as year the Global business. strong doing businesses in year with investors a say a well. capital pipeline. say a also sales for has strong all business quite in I'd particularly and set Development unusual really, level also that business Investment The at business or for very well Management AUM, record above I'd both well.

businesses we they’re in both be of kind So expect both in solid up low-double-digits. to fundamentals and both

David Ridley-Lane

that of mindful leverage times cycle at in, are X where a know a levered which the don't potentially target you have would we're I but If net sneak more that and understand have mean I I you feel one you're formal in you level could now. you're a under debt-to-EBITDA is there -- under

Jim Groch

Yes.

I'll later tried earlier As you cycle call that band differentiates under the we comfortable as in comfortable what late business we've what you to -- cycle we’re see comfortable cycle, We below then past cycle. go we're the a we in a materially the I levered the guess comfortable were just in on exclusive won't moving as cycle might leverage we, restate that in and but commented earlier -- past higher and the XX you in in later front. the said leverage business and net being between yes, in the we're in

Operator

you. Thank

coming ahead. next question Please is of Securities. Our from go Weaver Jason Wedbush

Jason Weaver

for my Thanks morning. question. taking Good

for guidance the EBITDA on generally Just growth --

Bob Sulentic

move you closer you. can Jason Hey We're to having hearing phone. trouble your

Jason Weaver

expectations? Sorry guys. that that EBITDA or does pending guidance I was asking organic figures anticipated any or all from include about growth acquisitions is the

Jim Groch

really it’s entirely almost -- most organic. It’s

year cetera any smaller deals for calendar a we incremental within et do in of because we that don’t startup integration, that normalize deal earnings that cost, M&A at typically course the normal infill consider with very activity little we the any costs, contributes us. year So

So revenue contribution earnings. some not we'll but much get

Jason Weaver

if his regions intensifying all? this more, granularly and Bob, at the producers is a remarks one comment recruitment on but environment think competition little in both you you touched in more bit on for can And the

Bob Sulentic

it backed a think that sense certainly competition the sense. has is in year. Well, little probably it's bit over We up backed up a in a little don't rephrase let positive a bit positive last intensifying; me

for of We footprint, and here contributing meeting a the to happen realize XXXX. they producers -- about we year. than the better up one client can do we we with our recruiting of and a than that can the was one the into a company success and things as can with leverage world expect a because that next expected opportunity a services base in to through year. theme have, that's our success reason a are recruiting again transactional of of of market we're range our land the lot taking we around the some combination assumptions result come in And more lot in meeting continuing share going is we do better business. elsewhere. that with us year years. that's It's our They can they to become to have, and they XXXX of It was And having is ended

Operator

Thank you.

Jade question is Rahmani from coming ahead. next Our of Please KBW. go

Jade Rahmani

Can hear me? you Sorry.

Bob Sulentic

Yes.

Jade Rahmani

sorry. net Oh, earnings and adjusted I EBITDA could MSR was wondering gains. if adjusted you excluding provide

Jim Groch

of in refer all and The where from roughly around QX of a net by to just rights for offset impact about $X the million for million $X.XX our full-year amortization the year impacts familiar impact are headwind you the negative that the XXXX I'll gains. in of not $XX gains. million and negative Well, MSR amortization headwinds those Sure. net impact gains was The budget expect kind The headwind headwinds. was mortgage about we around MSRs -- impact for are give these $XX or for of servicing exceeds those the penny.

Jade Rahmani

a the headwind headwind Is year-over-year comparison is --? the or

Jim Groch

Year-over-year.

Jade Rahmani

expense. on basis amortization gains but exceeds an servicing capitalization the absolute Okay mortgage

Jim Groch

That's correct.

Jade Rahmani

So have gain do you the was for what on earnings the to that EBITDA the that. servicing sale mortgage amortization and cash excluding was and calculate could happen -- what expense we so rights adjusted what impact

Jim Groch

but detail the about the Sure, net $XX was give in full the in K we’ll million. XXXX

Jade Rahmani

the fourth And do what was it quarter? in

Jim Groch

don't my of that top have I the head but off --

Operator

you. Thank

coming Please Our from question of go next Raymond ahead. is Patrick James. O'Shaughnessy

Patrick O'Shaughnessy

good morning. Hey,

of of near-term, bit like leading the or or down because it of then like a sales rates dislocation that it see that rates we sounds do does might catch-up normalize loss when takes typically place? might when So sales and otherwise very there's in it kind the push just to have back seeing you a that see the spike be we of that place permanent in a environment activity comes little taken some

Bob Sulentic

it'll happen Yes, see go all. then happens. the what to what the of spike for awful we not on the to a more, real If it's rates big with it out But happens -- our interest and a rates at on sidelines to estate. impact it spikes. likely people an in debt going an If impact equity depends lot it's have XXXX. much little with don't spike if have they mean I is belief there think market capital in commercial market and interest is And what's bit much how that to wait of there

Patrick O'Shaughnessy

be? a I that your that dry And private you're Thanks. think which is kind there towards of dry patient there's letting powder estate question next can investments, sense lot out equity how of powder of real geared really is my

Bob Sulentic

-- I have career to pretty look investors they're exactly are good in they're and and think you very the institutional if big be they that's don't don't my that. can think capital make they get more to now any I the looking can real have, inclined they happy they they can gals we a the have they assets the investment have and are management pricing if on darn I guys can our like hold buys been they in it, sit are discipline how business at tell estate than cycle XX-plus-year think in they

Operator

back this at to I'd time. over comments. the you closing for Thank turn to floor any management like

Bob Sulentic

want in New Investor on we XX everybody everyone questions. in meantime days. York here in And X. I have Okay, that your We'll well again the our for remind you talk Day to thanks March to

Operator

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CBRE (CBRE) 8 Feb 182017 Q4 Earnings call transcript