Crown (CCK) 19 Oct 172017 Q3 Earnings call transcript

Company Profile

Participants

Thomas Kelly	SVP and CFO
Tim Donahue	President and CEO
Arun Viswanathan	RBC Capital Markets
George Staphos	BofA Merrill Lynch
Mark Wilde	BMO Capital Markets
Adam Josephson	KeyBanc Capital Markets
Debbie Jones	Deutsche Bank
Anthony Pettinari	Citi
Scott Gaffner	Barclays Bank
Ghansham Panjabi	Robert W. Baird
Chip Dillon	Vertical Research
Brian Maguire	Goldman Sachs
Chris Manuel	Wells Fargo
Lars Kjellberg	Credit Suisse

Call transcript

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Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Crown Holdings Third Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call.

Your lines have been placed on a listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session. Please be advised that this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Thomas Kelly, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. begin. may you Sir,

Thomas Kelly

be and statements. Donahue, With Officer. President in vary we call, Darren, statements. of call results Actual On on is as could will release, earnings Tim and from the a good you, number me forward-looking such morning. materially today's this making Thank Chief Executive

X% subsequent filings, contained press $X.XX release and and the year Additional information for X% cause Earnings and year up unit and income could quarter for the that filings. Beverage benefited up our for X% $X.XX pass-through from increased actual results and sales Segment XX-K our year-to-date. nine-month quarter share the a the were quarter in X% the rates lower SEC across including Adjusted share to higher quarter currency concerning factors to in Form results for were vary cost. $X.XX earnings the Americas per the all $X.XX is products as in quarter third of per in period. was corporate for improved XXXX sales Net the in at for volumes actual in the basis the and and due on costs. neutral material were and

company items the lower You $XXX the the million release, Through noted and in timing stock of this costs you might of other that of seeing of quarter to in repurchased remember that we due are we in this X.X third we some date million. for year, the first shares corporate had elevated cost side have quarter. common the

of for adjusted to XX% we between and exchange levels. are outlined per and remain full assume tax These of rates that As earnings estimates $X.XX year. share rate current full-year $X.XX or a the estimating at fourth approximately $X.XX release, quarter $X.XX the in

I'll turn maintaining million capital Tim. to the $XXX of that, also spending. million call cash free our in are after $XXX With over We full-year flow guidance

Tim Donahue

the you, questions. be to good open everyone. to call Tom, we'll then and I'll Thank morning brief and

As global aerosol we can release. and third Tom two volumes combined more in the operating income helped plan been and large from the are two reflected on remained solid with segment and and than food beverage again Global last firm in US earthquakes currency and hurricanes good months through a on with third earnings nine release, growth The demand Mexico. discussed, up year. both quarter demand as for X% and just night's has disruptions in quarter, in a of once the in cans, foreign sales provided impact offset had

America. Central beverage Colombia low at progressing curves. South primarily The Mexico, can and their plant volume declines expansion the New York new as X% result as performances with overall are North and growth volume can the capacity quarter be and advanced share, So the X In third million quarter did a earnings year. comments in will performance income had income Beverage, basis. regarding million segment line, year $X recur gain segment as was the not Americas Currency, on Nichols, a America learning strong are in neutral positive offset the complete Tocancipa, single-digit prior in impact neutral segment beverage which the at this following currency along per X%, plants measurement across a to of Monterrey, of along

European of $X a most strong as Our Saudi down Beverage the a corn mix. delay performance American basis startup. XXXX million demand X% first than strong schedule Arabia. income North geographic for softness to due new XXXX operations to prior volumes Mexico in points up throughout in year in which performance Sales has behind Segment offset Segment were QX, from last year the half remains due a more a bottle on extended to Midwest facility was income slightly Chihuahua, margin or unit pack, was glass into Food in bit XXX October. performances continued in

quarter to smaller in over in demand Europe in in Unit in and the a reflecting European mix Segment shipments was the Asia volume fourth the income shift during the the Southeast margin. slightly XX%, facility third advanced Looking of which the X%, can operations declines beverage year. back ceased at quarter And and Middle cans being China, XXXX. the in reducing Shanghai Asia-Pacific East the can cans year's quarter facility. margin as strong quarter, Beijing, Food performances third single-digit result in food volumes was China the increased beverage in with strong last opposite beverage closure offset this third soft XXXX, just company with the mainly experienced of X% across high to the the of sized of

the their we ask And to the call And we certainly you're have just questions, queue end. others now that. Darren, like that, another questions thank you for question Before with two the jump opportunity towards to ready welcome yourself to into question. the that for an would open to ask And may we're so take limit to to you back we questions. to

Operator

Instructions] [Operator our question Arun Viswanathan comes from first Certainly. RBC from Markets. Speakers, Capital

open. now is line Your

Arun Viswanathan

Thanks. morning. Great. Good

Thomas Kelly

morning. Good

Arun Viswanathan

well better Difficulty] margins? we little just [Technical as you than some describe Could thought, as averaged of a the

Tim Donahue

that Arun, you're to going again. to say have

on us. up You broke

Arun Viswanathan

little was more give us I on bit you Beverage if a curious can the performance. just detail Americas

sales were more us Could detail as your bit little you a margins. Your a little were give that? for above

Tim Donahue

Beverage? higher the sales I the the at right. and first end. and Americas All part I'm question why asked heard assuming you the of margin Again, were the

Arun Viswanathan

Yes.

Tim Donahue

of mainly. hurricanes year industry we of for in experienced but regions a prior Crown, lower September, Okay. result those loss slow year than and very America performance not as to trended or that of coupled for and North Well, in have margins a beginning volumes pretty we customer and the result the be good with shift just a the the Brazil, I America, North had better and the we Mexico in think had

Arun Viswanathan

Okay.

Operator

Staphos of next Bank George America. comes from Our from question

now line is open. Your

George Staphos

of Good North then into trend of this in and Mexico, your year-to-date America can Hi, wanted and little up year, make the of drop that This morning. also to the for that And America Canada? you Thanks. much volumes everyone. do so and details, What we beer US so trends has a in was North is volume were bit I part How Nichols volume current what storm? north the that your volume and is, the down get of Tom. year. last Thanks Tim to come this your footprint. question saw? further relate

net footprint elsewhere. Can you as update you your point one around at would neutral us think adjusted capacity I you. Tom, said to your Thank thoughts you on be Nichols that?

Tim Donahue

Yeah, George, good questions.

the exclude loss our we'd that X%. this first, volume had, about we experienced So be year-to-date X%. If were up down year customer we

entirely than entirely to So the more loss. due customer

for gallons month we I are domestic but have a can an looks quarterly data. CMI the in CMI tell have you quarterly cans we that at August. of through domestic September, alone, at be imported are in and these, think to Texas highly guys up if for data, decline look gallons have down alcoholic like but storms has Florida. if but beverage X.X% September for you, we I you month don't CMI mad the September, the hurricanes CMI we gallons I I looked -- the hopefully telling And And that have me XX%, down Everybody aluminum look domestic data. the monthly through impact hit the of don't get gallons at beer, get when data. it had don't X.X%, are clearly about to I large were X.X%. overall What on alcoholic at has of attributable two at and the the the

beverage area, which one can large a customer. Houston the plants large in of primarily two have serves beer We

footprint, domestic like in say we're would take So impact, as until had have through US yeah, through curve August. learning based you storms its coming beer, fully Nichols, curve. large in We're it don't at end desire we're right large or that just we expect out increase curve, the up but ability I say, come to capacity gallons as look decline don't it's not does we obviously a -- learning on plant. a it the still long the or our nonetheless, learning continues capacity And capacity the the the any of up now a but we beer, big term

George Staphos

Okay. Thank I'll turn you. over. it

Tim Donahue

Thank you, George.

Operator

question next from comes BMO Markets. Our Mark Capital Wilde from

open. is Your now line

Mark Wilde

Good morning, morning, Tim. Good Tom.

Tim Donahue

Good morning, Mark.

Thomas Kelly

Hi, Mark.

Mark Wilde

be any of you give us of where for look Tim, may running CapEx XXXX? at can kind kind a chance

Tim Donahue

million. we year to should we're in the for we'll and I the Yeah, whatever you but want, we've have said, get still board least I all middle now, expect at maintain, $XXX as that budget this process we think approval think along of

Mark Wilde

say a you as $XXX year? would how Like Yeah. probability another like of million the

Tim Donahue

feel but million. our you the right? know it. needle it can thing do be to We think can't think million, that good somewhere XXX I our tell we XXX, so range, Mark, XXX, I you, And me Well, I right wide is -- there. if we're and you about. then moves valuation, between do the going that's it, tell $XX pretty $XX a but in it's the it's tell if Board to delta I be won't and agrees,

Mark Wilde

That's I that, was of get Tim. sense trying to a Yeah. just fine. No,

a sense Saudi that give Arabia, East of a how Just looked some on as Middle of year-over-year basis, Tim? follow-on, us volumes could you kind kind of

Tim Donahue

not more Yeah, me good, I'll it. you something let find specific in here, second give but a

total, we yeah, being which problem, just aware worse. of East by do of believe the with is in been borders the us the It's is most really got to currently -- soft has okay. closed. the to the Saudi all several point, new So leads it's ongoing East that conflicts the that's of it's Middle that But more -- primarily you've to well where Saudi Middle tax it you're which Actually, have drink and complicated but

Mark Wilde

Soda tax there.

Tim Donahue

XX% -- I tax, in our Saudi, at say, would operations the quarter. two so say look in Soda I'm to about if and numbers adding XX% together, I'd down I

Mark Wilde

helpful. Tim. over. I'll it All turn Thanks, right. Okay. That's

Operator

comes KeyBanc Our next Capital question from Josephson from Markets. Adam

open. now is line Your

Adam Josephson

Tim, Tom, good morning.

Tim Donahue

Good morning, Adam.

Adam Josephson

US. one the on Brazil, on one Just

market to either cans was How on what much bev you And Tim, you attribute commented it strength then Mexico. for the Can I in guys for or you just beer source in the the would you us quarter? a strength of much along up up? was up? above? Just were or Beverage with And the Brazil, how with industry you Americas much help how know were

Tim Donahue

any to of evasive, not have don't those be Adam. front in I'm do -- we numbers trying Tom, I any have of me.

Thomas Kelly

beer have market. don't total We

Tim Donahue

Yeah.

-- I have don't think I beer So the market.

the markets, know, in you we and as we -- consumed about coming up we been beverage don't can in X% can Brazil, was where was firmly see beverage industry the firmly But obviously notwithstanding we're in Brazil the a truly the about that. which in the gain up X% I think we industry continues Brazilian out to traction. gain have and the it into that higher liters the -- Brazil. might to we beverage two think release And But and up we see that that point other be than industry beer that. those looks Brazil, believe I have expect And was favor all one strong, we of gallons to don't the believe like fourth continuing I in or of they -- quarter, pointed we have. have Brazil, I again specifically and can or challenges

Adam Josephson

to mark can serves. up if bev the up goes -- compared I think to quarter, memory X% X% just last And

Tim Donahue

to Well, -- have me. you don't because believe we're of going you're don't that, I front I going -- to in

Adam Josephson

that how imports in in along a and long-term ago? where in And to All and but to yeah. market, it, Mexico, you say lines? what your would my weakness was operating for seeing US prognostication in mentioned what it compare of Yeah, the from -- take And a US then of right. US, right are the mind the extent is kind September does rough rate now month, terms was I industry's just know so particularly the you those any beer Mexico what you're word the and year offsetting

Tim Donahue

think much in I it say supplier. would as that that I not benefiting I would the beer, is can Well, other weakness would relates I to -- say we're in -- as terms that the of from as domestic industry, offsetting probably one there imports

the say the notwithstanding flip before, some benefit side some we're one make supplier points that, it also we're than other We changeovers haven't weakness third effect, have exposure have some would think to lose But the but but we just short from by utilization, as time in nature. announcements, that's definition, has a industry, domestic we you've which benefit large cans, some given of closure sizes. they sized in taken an the as beer quarter, as we that. given the do. greater And couple term much in then from takes had terms Certainly, capacity yet heard recent I for we explain probably, lower, capacity is, of I a nature of just a us do probably of to different plant

I So low high in XXs, a would still if -- it's say I think XXs. healthy place. pretty not very it's we're certainly it's

Adam Josephson

Great. it. lot, Appreciate Thanks Tim. a

Tim Donahue

Welcome.

Operator

question Deutsche Bank. comes from next Our Jones, Debbie

Your line is now open.

Debbie Jones

My US food. Hi, first question just morning. good

-- of $X can't Midwest I pack the year-over-year You of called EBIT? that the then just driver you realize can And you the quarter decline your relates primary million you us as can share? Was in out for but that call next corn pack. the give and stability business the year forward, going to or it sense you the over of season pricing next

Tim Donahue

Yeah.

I going to is. and I'm -- share well, share -- So talk don't pricing, what not about is but

you to not give call been extent you the share, entrant a your little pricing I they've market, there have want you're and to to would has a As going away to in responsible. know, maintain the because been what new

margins or taken the principal the in Midwest in already October first see all decline been cans -- said, saw in our weeks haven't almost delay softness and we the that pack, American of we as couple of think two the Food, I of factors; those corn here. of you all slight a in North

we have a And businesses other small going to fourth smaller has up. Mexico going strong like -- anticipated. the was in but So pack a a been have and smaller was we chilly had then quarter the it's quarter, notwithstanding that impact we in to of we're feel we're made fairly that small little quarter our a it's than the had one

Debbie Jones

the And the were Thanks. year. guidance in expected. bit you you a That's there expense very QX specific had could corporate talked lower, being helpful. what just It's you lower highlight is And that? your second earlier a what for than on Tom, we in about baked reversal that? of then Is question, seeing anything into

Thomas Kelly

again, in the in the that just a third really we of of some first recovered, quarter, reversal, it we what I was essentially It's as expenses the said, quarter. costs quarter had were -- the in had and elevated reimbursed first

Looking costs. year, for at in the we're probably full mid-XXXs the corporate

Tim Donahue

XX million in the quarter.

Thomas Kelly

XX-ish in the quarter.

Debbie Jones

over. Great. Thank you. I'll turn it

Thomas Kelly

you. Thank

Operator

Our next Anthony Pettinari comes from Citigroup. question from

is open. line Your now

Anthony Pettinari

morning. Good

Tim Donahue

morning. Good

Thomas Kelly

morning. Good

Anthony Pettinari

previously or pretty of to most offsets first of costs then timing 'XX. in that? do I glass you my the get or are half guess expect $X.XX other other furnace question projects, to had about offset there that $X.XX $X.XX the You don't $X.XX it and talked that of other would uplift is, back stuff seems XXXX from imply Monterrey of good Nichols, start-up that in XXXX. And to a in with to repeat

Tim Donahue

new mean, offsets I we'll in the have with furnace. some -- the Yeah.

that so number factories by is year offset factories hopefully it's to early year a those you there there's we that this significantly too start-up lower us will give a next be little experienced say I from year. impact in next would But slightly of there from year this on is think the to gain and hope the this gain if phasing the versus a or that I those would -- for but regard. still year positive a we two So gain two $X.XX all certainly $X.XX Chihuahua, on --

Anthony Pettinari

from how and just the do Okay. strategically perspective that it of closures opportunities Shanghai a big Is in us picture think have talked you asset the you stay market? From That's year? you next Can about you profitability about you to there see do important what and in Beijing. in? And then helpful. to perspective, China, remind kind in improve an left

Tim Donahue

you for strategically either company stay invest It's stinks, of just not goes out you, market there. otherwise not that and to to you for important us or and is tells lying but cans. we're touch all the in, Yeah, products, any completely in is that

very We the We assets have assets. well. significant run

We nice installations. have

left plants. across can those five plants have five We and can can lines six

to All around not that fact multi-size plants any to want The have money our to start and close was customers that of remaining sleek China. are invest in region The capacity more were going Beijing decision largely It capable. years the to more sleek. is in the plant converting not than XX Beijing does we old.

which Shanghai. at of XXX away. we So long a look way about of we to and miles have Shanghai region we you that map the have if exit decided factory the Beijing China, closest of and China, Beijing, we'd -- That's are south

-- not you're it's able So serve it. not to

more So invest any we're not just decision to going the money.

run profitable we see market going takes try the years, cash doing of the as we'll we're to and idea as as So as and but business us continue remain to next healthy we're best as is to positive flow to can, and it. while over where couple the possible the

Anthony Pettinari

I'll helpful. it over. That's turn Okay.

Tim Donahue

Thank you.

Operator

question from comes Scott Barclays. Gaffner from next Our

Your line is open. now

Scott Gaffner

Good Thanks. morning.

Tim Donahue

Good morning, Scott.

Thomas Kelly

Good morning.

Scott Gaffner

the wanted just about the a talk you impact, -- the the little I relative Tim, mentioned to September hurricane. shipments to bit

I normally kind of when how you've is of earthquake demand those these events, that's a react but or completely that also to lost the and events? destocking months following Mexico, think in at would you more had event it expect the historically mentioned you is customer to

Tim Donahue

Labor three this event I another you're only Harvey, six Day. be Day, going didn't but think you by would hit drink that, think this Put could I one Yeah, event not that and before not although other beers Houston different, in of what sit Labor which Hurricane going lost make -- to area different, it's this think down I it's up happened the over we're drink way, weekend and for instead Day. to Labor in to get here,

of here terms think beverage industry one the this the permanent consumer will this will think we we'll QX more be world. terms I consume. next volume loss is I Obviously, think of but in of year, in the natural recovers can I recover of don't So any disasters, notwithstanding -- don't next the a in probably history year -- what

Scott Gaffner

and shareholders, obviously your I as Okay. the And moved you stocks it's you Board repurchase how middle you a mean, term? year. far the about but thinking with How of I -- to initiating capital around, M&A about the middle maybe obviously you of are this dividend much but mean, decision, versus in returns the just point significantly pretty capital the budgeting, are not since near left in are mentioned as thinking at a

Tim Donahue

would thing were we're undervalued of of as happy almost and in we're how market cash we capability the has say, Well, generating very the our had realized others us to in some is kind company. the up -- I confident the flow first stock relatively the I catch that space. say good And we a are move, to you very think

we forward. Board. Board meetings or we what assure topic allocation Board's Board. a go topic, can't can it's you on I Board we'll the see But meeting I the I is and for the year -- we it So speak will have five and desire as a have a capital at be a

Scott Gaffner

Thank you. Understood.

Tim Donahue

Thank you.

Operator

go Ghansham ahead. Baird. from Our comes RW next Please question Panjabi from

Ghansham Panjabi

good guys, Hey morning.

Tim Donahue

Ghansham. Hi,

Ghansham Panjabi

can that mentioned think you to start of major out realizing -- some and an Tom. so start-up parameters I with We're next volumes EBITDA it's some still Maybe we impact provide Tom, year-over-year, just XXXX? by to of pretty guess, think issue to variances fast. you morning, get can the going there as you outlook some as your out we and up early, may Tim for the Good the geographies more year.

Tim Donahue

it? region, by volumes Boy, Okay. is

North that slightly So say to Beverage, to American we would expect would flat I be up.

but our 'XX North in had year a and food Brazil, food, up. American that campaign portfolio. Mexican beverage up. we'll year. They we do and Food, say grow, Middle we had year will the a volumes portfolio Beverage marginally them -- markets. clearly within just the better now, Mexico, up. strong again. industry say up. think to a we we had have I'd had own flat; of We to European the see, pretty would our their expect had to would I hopeful cans better East customers European next for market We're this -- this a in Beverage, little probably poor flat slightly be continues in a down

Beijing closure, in and of up with flat Beijing we'll year-on-year. be China, we'll but Asia, the Southeast the the because closure, exception be down of

Ghansham Panjabi

terms in that drop how perhaps EBITDA? down may of to And

Tim Donahue

depreciation we've from EBITDA perspective, an other all I of off income we'll I new more on segment for lot after that pass-through think the Well, else have early to we last the too inflation rolling the no have final We couple if down think it's the with investment of yet. depreciation say. than years. EBITDA, necessarily a to and rolls over that reason -- expense, elements know How customers don't still had everything our

Ghansham Panjabi

how are US? your with capabilities US investments in to And Okay. then other capacity in specialty of your next one adding from the the addition Nichols, thinking of announcement up the ramp another plant about year. cans need a the There's competitors, for you been in just

to thoughts. curious your Just as

Tim Donahue

and we right perhaps factory. of Perhaps or existing probably that Texas, now. we'd in New need That I upper lines. think, Northwest, the Mississippi but new the capability a not the have entail we what to York, conversion does between Midwest have like entails

for certainly now. about early capital too market to it's right us So think into more think putting that I

Ghansham Panjabi

Thanks. Okay.

Tim Donahue

Thank you.

Operator

comes question Vertical ahead. Research. go next Our from Dillon from Please Chip

Chip Dillon

Good Yes. Tom. Tim and morning,

Tim Donahue

Hi, Chip.

Chip Dillon

I believe cans, would specialty. My looking be to with total And of increase obviously cans beverage the with what your somewhere in I to do North you're in in mid-teens believe America. specialty North especially you're question low Nichols, I to in percentage. know, has America

of years, be verify could a us couple where the goal then that be would tell in might say, terms of you mix? If we and in, what your

Tim Donahue

years. of able years, we to don't I to be Will I to think to I'd three correct. say low couple know. a two No, is XX%? you're talking get to XX%. like And mid-teens

XX% do responsibly, mid-teens to low XX%, we somewhat understanding we're if try So now, it right? to to

Chip Dillon

that's a just Yeah. then And on helpful. Monterrey. Yeah, follow-up is

that expansion, on curve. you line, would we it build moving we would away Would two to I say from too or another when would have soon it is And you originally late? sounds like that the first up year's second are have a decision its think line. line too or sound a envisioned

Tim Donahue

I within would next years, decision, that have but certainly two that's -- we'll think we're two one say years, not -- I the don't a I say right or whether now. we're able to

Chip Dillon

a you. a Got versus And never that is do go to decision of more likely we're going it?

Tim Donahue

more Chip. go, can it's you markets you plant. and economics. that certainly you -- standpoint you plant at can try a generally just remain The expand a work. a build to of one-line build plant, beverage economics it's don't just understand We when Well, for When from look a market it the never of world, can to envisioning only the a can you a except around going few

Chip Dillon

on I that Is with that a spend X line. course. imagine XX% X plant that on probably of or number can Of one to more would you second if is, spend going right? less you're line,

Tim Donahue

Most is right. cost the That's equipment. of

Chip Dillon

I Thank you. understand.

Tim Donahue

Thank you.

Operator

from question next comes Maguire Goldman Sachs. from Our Brian

is now line Your open.

Brian Maguire

guys. morning, Hey, good

Tim Donahue

Good morning.

Thomas Kelly

Hi.

Brian Maguire

dig into on the to of segments. a wanted Just the couple margins

bit a the year-over-year. European food of Beverage segments both think down little I were and

inflation in XQ, discrete any about and kind pushed getting is some of that out kind there just just I talked called in and just Beverage, European volumes passing there? are of segments maybe they some just delay North weakness broadly, raw theme could think but to if material America, really overarching these all you volume any -- you events the as behind seeing tough just there you comp or wondering are think the but a costs, issue, through? you I

Tim Donahue

Well, mid would high I on double-digit increases in we percentage US is think XXXX increases simply in about steel, that, margins, versus the single-digit what to 'XX, I and low if you're experienced in talking Europe. caution you

comes the standpoint So to math it, from the that margin just percentage passing obviously down. and if you're recover it's margin, through of

talked discussing last been was to the that were little factor numerous margin. several in cost certainly the are passing there through we we that contracts the absolute And doesn't inflation represent America. necessarily just delay in the is about So used experiencing. crop And years, that over we've others negative bit the we've before and across North here customers a formula a

passing negative So experiencing some while i.e., we raw actually inflation the a we're we of the our through -- based on reduction, are use, price materials index. inflation in

has impact And the the businesses see the to some certainly so an margins that on North you businesses. across extent and all American European

Brian Maguire

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Tim Donahue

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Brian Maguire

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Tim Donahue

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Brian Maguire

All right.

care. Take Sounds good.

Tim Donahue

you. Thank

Operator

Our next Manuel question comes Security. from from Wells Fargo Chris

is line open. Your now

Chris Manuel

Tim, guarded how little things more be just about wish about -- clear feel I really morning. of Good you'd instead a you

Tim Donahue

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Chris Manuel

like we Well, America again. great making

part So too. fun that's the all of

Tim Donahue

Some do. I'm not of everybody about us but. sure

Chris Manuel

right. All

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of continue years, this a to point a view, does here back forward or think to XX%. factors next got as Does you look mean, through. mentioned of of to kind But flat? this at it you down couple look think I if remain kind of market beer Does so? you've it I in your you've historical? lot grow

to scale that, of you Are size, you And do make in view think So footprint? what about you conversion talked want you are? light about you with comfortable think potential Do some does I of that market? you -- you your how then brought. the

of American market the together kind put us. So if for those and talk about you North

Tim Donahue

it revolves largely soft so -- decline products around I the for the think I think in drinks. replacement carbonated Yeah,

other is beer worse think process brew and they steady. of here product love but We the for look pretty positive in the that far had we're be drinkers kind who which importantly, event that is, who than is we drink beer an the the a industry think of the beer think going integrity I third and makes go of more those real craft that, to drinkers. element steady I any Beer greater as understand are the protect I it have craft along. cans their pretty brew package. beer, September, quarter in really notwithstanding those real beer can than And and

real So for thing can. the that's a positive

PET. carbonated we see to of drinks. importantly, think be it'd in water water. numerous and flavored coffee, And do And that sparkling for in are teas whether us, fortunately we're PET, relates As to declining ready-to-drink soft drinks, there there cans lot certainly it now, in continue I products very carbonated is a on and seeing soft pushback declines other

not of water You really your some is know that's hose nothing can, drinks But if these serving they're PET refreshing. the in want been more purified. special. soft are than that that in It's flavor, carbonated garden the quite you

consume or industry. and And to ashamed is to be that, drink it why actually see very products satisfying. from guys so no market and Notwithstanding helping carbonated that reenergize have it brands. very would some promotions There anybody seen products. the good very is we refreshing should their and nice those to They're reason soft the be

Chris Manuel

that not to of you put I of we're like to back feel to go kind still degradation, but going feels -- summarize kind with So -- it flattish it,

Tim Donahue

years' can decade last yeah, is better you the experience certainly than before, remarked, the certainly holds better and It's carbonation a two product. one thing than any other as lot does feel -- the it

industry. we our a certainly that with expect feel would We to we would be and up flat better. forward marginally So look for bode GDP growth to lot as well

Chris Manuel

question or year, about being about helpful. relatively for question And foresee? opportunities earlier of XXXX, on 'XX there kind slightly second similar 'XX, to double-digit earnings work I lot growth with track two. of at point headwinds earnings you have Last and or when done the costs down, kind and can think or repo, start-up factors potentially it's look in back get of of we my growth sort That's that the of right. guys you this is, are on flat, a up think you All a or towards question we

Tim Donahue

budget think in I we Well, process headwinds. now. And I think always we're said, the there's as

selling think number now we've We're to promise where But the We're we've or don't not a I industry. been only of So be positive. And premature. can years it'd I had iPhones, like in right? double-digit anything.

we years I of terms going We that have or steps through in very the level out not prepared terms, to The to positive taken another and confident be again yet. in one of we're six back last feel five next any percentage over earnings positive we're or year. means that our think don't put necks

Chris Manuel

luck. That's right. All Good Tim. Thanks, helpful.

Tim Donahue

Thank you, Chris.

Operator

comes from question Lars next Our Credit from Suisse. Kjellberg

now is open. Your line

Lars Kjellberg

Good morning. Yeah. Thanks.

just the if the And thinking in of and earthquakes hurricanes from couple the inflationary negative help quarter. XXXX? questions. call us you bit the a deltas Can in a can you quantum impact of the out these the about also disruptions, Just third out

Tim Donahue

Yeah.

for of for of look -- lot as So September alcoholic like XX%. in a on in the stay disrupted good if chain a as was us in down of X.X%, as from the that and at -- areas. you to the it earthquake, down it let the reasons, quarter, extremely relates September -- were me was said cans beverage That's relates -- of lot quarter competitive lot area the clear a but the specific the third away we indication if other month pretty Houston I'd a things to supply to

customers business, in not shut of the the get could example, down. was aerosol Houston can aerosol many gases the For because industrial industry

affect So impact just in throughout Houston huge see the area. It aerosol But it you filling beer. on country. certainly affected didn't beer, the a

but Crown. to specific an I'd on had the know not we it impact, talk So about impact prefer

or North any we're to the and/or before. inflationary As volume be European in our dollars do We that been thing, with either to inflation reductions experienced the system all offset contracts, of cost a but -- more it in to whether terms American offset has negative food Beverage growth inflation, what all it's we've I Beverage, but to that. environment of it's want millions relates about other don't it's specific, looking or to talked same

Lars Kjellberg

to guess impact I negative currently a these from, you're contractual having a going be assume. contributor you're to would turning I those XXXX, in agreements around claw that of As some with back that's going be to

Tim Donahue

Yeah.

PPI at like positive 'XX, going as PPI pass-through looks in relates certainly So have to as yes. it year 'XX look this last a it versus to year, we're we

Lars Kjellberg

a a earnings. look may expect about, the just if CapEx does in way. the out cash look in at flow forecast talking called I Should meaningful the very the fourth we it inflow you that not And capital quarter? working conservative in you're component I mean,

So a does be look it earning quite to side. conservative on

If that. comment to on you want

Tim Donahue

Yeah.

don't to that's -- not you that on really want put doing It's the had we at do there contribution, something they're as them because targets, We doing we they to to that don't guys every you business is realization unrealistic You stretched to significant years If unrealistic. we've so. significant conservative. we We're we're business hope something our and nor beneficial are say that last We give what better. do to working pressure hit do think to gains a got we unrealistic not going numbers some to four in term. day. striving which And want long better, but this there capital over operating so guys but they're point, sit -- that's flow the being people cash or beyond our unrealistic is we targets, do, have we're best. you're not do give the

a and next we're to hope So hope do to where achievement. we're year. I believe We very better good think we at. it's We better do

Lars Kjellberg

you. Very good. Thank

Tim Donahue

you. Thank

Operator

go Staphos Bank George from ahead. have America. We of Please

George Staphos

calls. Thanks Tim. for operator. up Lars' One, questions. on my taking question, follow-up Two Thanks, following

the cost 'XX in be only inflator, the you that? but actually get reversal positive it the actual will be do think so offsetting, to a positive, relative positive PPI or you to not contributing supposed So it's relative from to

Tim Donahue

question, George. good Very

versus in to yet. increase think 'XX? And increase increases in cost prices say they I Will the from don't selling the clearly enough prepared the So 'XX. overcome to PPI pass-through 'XX that we're will

George Staphos

Okay.

Tim Donahue

the I -- we in still know I George, said, yet. think don't as we're We're process. budget

George Staphos

Okay.

Tim Donahue

whatever push all we on back. so have been those we're top a our the just and are industry has long of you premiums suppliers make they inputs among consolidation price our to we for to They some time, looking consolidations right, clear, There of pay the know you realization they job for George, else pretty -- and follow it's big occur. have.

that So we're in process now.

George Staphos

what getting I at Okay. understand there. you're

The the while. think it we've the other other had, Chris too. the of of industry some questions, a question getting it -- segues covered off Again, I at I was and for

if being looking healthy you view is, that rates industry low your XXs You've next it as that, in as commented, utilization high an that, probably are you be spreadsheet. discussed performs hundred XXs, and year, a our points out describe will but numbers I than is up. a to I around business, mean, experience, flat basis healthy running better on few push you're given that just

market in as else from healthy? So some Is defining America as there North cans? the you're what getting goes Is capacity benefit tighten into the realigned view it custom helps it's margin being that that in other operating good maybe market defined of just it's for rate you is guys description What Thank the year? as it? the in healthy you that luck than and that. quarter. next And the else

Tim Donahue

to utilization are an or companies George, sit the there their and -- other XX% to responsibly X% rates problem, within We that at Crown a going probably industry. act boy, we're utilization or as or some then, we to across utilization think, that and in utilization here they have the any industry, need got XX% going sit XX% highest market, themselves our other argue in rates industry, of I we whether if of right? at you -- operate guys within own look to the

high price do would more low need realization more because we're I last a it every So mid-XXs responsibly, yeah, you're but to to right and claw you're fight we capable right, responsible some -- to if even than point, kind going enough probably XXs, argue of we're XXs, not low going that have then, for forward. is to utilization utilization

George Staphos

things do in growth that or into they the really don't your there, or view mentioned assume custom I any other of Okay. And terms other play I the -- --

Tim Donahue

than XXX custom they do, cans, let's is very -- as custom but know, no, Oh, We you XX-ounce, specialty everything about the talk diameter. quickly. still talk that's about other

sizes took XX-ounce if smaller you specialty So leaves and slims a or you and put if standard that customer are right? with with than -- that's We XXX, the less cans can, much you XX-ounce other all XX. them and that large more have segment include XX-ounce are you

understand so -- do it and wonderful our growing. The XX it competitors the important, So still XX-ounce. want by of a industry is diameter whether job but We large, We grow. yes, is the meeting and look can, their the fantastic. why marketers needs, it is XXX backbone of or it's the to cans

George Staphos

enough. Fair

So ahead. the game is

all. execute. to guys That's just have You

Tim Donahue

Absolutely.

George Staphos

luck Good quarter, the in Okay. guys.

Tim Donahue

Thank you, George.

Operator

please And session that ends our ahead. for go Speakers, conference. question-and-answer today's

Tim Donahue

Darren. you, Thank

As again look speaking with that's and Thank you much. -- to very early we'll the concludes today in that you February. Darren forward call said, the

Operator

conference. you today's your And that for concludes participation. Thank

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