BCC - Earnings call transcript Q4 2020

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Operator

Good morning. My name is Elaine, and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Boise Cascade's Fourth Quarter 2020 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be question-and-answer period. begin, statements you business about anticipated performance. we may this prospects Before financial forward-looking contain the Instructions] I that remind call and [Operator company's future, company guarantees performance, These update of are duty to not and statements the undertakes no them. future

management's from reflect they today, implied this those number expressed statements to Actual results are and call. business or risks these uncertainties. subject may a expectations Although not of differ materially in

results results your discussion please of that to President, pleasure my the Boise to differ Vice recent refer anticipated, Boise actual conference. begin Rancourt, and you you Wayne Cascade's SEC. the a to Cascade. For It the may from to factors with Mr. Treasurer, introduce CFO Executive cause Rancourt, now now filings is may

Wayne Rancourt

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Nate Jorgensen

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Wayne Rancourt

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of uses shareholders equipment XXXX to move dividends million lease $XX We as that a to capital anticipated financial acquisitions returned XXXX. expenditures growth, to options or a into capital $XX positioned as exercise initiatives, supplemental well This in we expect pleased to result timing million. results, factors, of of we in including efforts as of note growth our opportunistic future to working I'm million economic reserve internal sufficient organic $XX capital to level We decrease acquisitions, remain in approximately cash expenditures of purchases. conditions as could support total accelerate and increase or number XXXX. well with purchase regular and and

to business, discuss I back while will Our shareholder returns turn successfully to Nate, our business over on capital. it to objective appropriate our outlook. you generating remains grow

Nate Jorgensen

number on XX. I'm Slide Wayne. Thanks,

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Operator

George of from Thank line the America. with We question have Instructions] first our you. Staphos of in coming [Operator Bank

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George Staphos

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Mike Brown

George are it's How Mike. you doing?

George Staphos

to morning good you. Mike,

Mike Brown

around you're Yeah, the that declines too. you Yeah, referred so, whole price the issue to.

couple I commentary think Wayne this. have of may some made quarter But sort last actually of year around stories. you a know last was a of year different

you sort thought the up later demand of place to in you the in were that, result be a the earlier some we we put year. to programs situation. out ensure would there was marketplace when falling year, shore doing the know, went And off into we we of Now know in as the - dramatically, demand

course, of and out, took turned in off. the it us on somewhat. fourth changed the And, particularly later third world sort As demand of the quarter

As we what to it the the decline that you relates place to to have expect some will the dealers price in builders pricing protection they be allows products. quarters' that next the know forecast for plans differential

prior to particularly quarters, off the, to I-joists' little you was just the increases quite to made a number, as effect. of relative up going down And those the demand at and it together, the coming know, a should relative a different our that it's two things pricing to know end forward the anything we up to increase start and number know, the protection LVL. of obviously, you result relative situation to I-joists' originally significant what we some take year, mix falls that, be. where price quarters you had expect anticipated price the bit significantly people of wasn't the in most combination modest As end was It you also obviously the see LVL the with

George Staphos

a guess I problem, right. The volume high-quality you was degree more - you exacerbated had the prior some To

Mike Brown

Yes, yes.

George Staphos

improvement Should quickly? quarter? then first get just I that we know if what we would just, qualitatively, know, expect? starting you I in can don't Should fine some year-on-year the but the inject guidance, if you to with expect want you

Mike Brown

never see improvement it off a because protection Yeah, in Wayne lines. he that as to the commentary the at like I how our fairly the product the And I and probably price impact might some modest we'll clear I has all rolling think on sees programs. with expect year. each of have set add it through come once, wouldn't on quarters EWB go think he protection we of does price might

George Staphos

Yeah.

Wayne Rancourt

Well, look Q, if QX Xst increase would still X% sequential at pricing XQ George, to us you XXXX number. it in slightly below from leave the

close So flat. it improvements somewhere wouldn't to But of big to expect QX will probably I be XXXX. relative

George Staphos

Understood.

Nate Jorgensen

And George - then,

George Staphos

ahead. go Yes,

Nate Jorgensen

Yeah, to about we're just that. over how Nate. question time and acquisitions on sorry, Yeah, George, it's thinking your take

in I starting continue our services, you businesses, to a our products you couple growth know expansion I segment. mill our BMD, Houston think opportunities think of look know, of works, continue footprint our recent. as terms of those, locations, for, well with we're in to know at announced really you we've our which grow within you both some and committed our as know, specifically And door most to current geographic was

that's we that relative important you path an organization. know, opportunities our Wood that think of had forward doing to in part think important will that for see know, Products, work of in you innovation to the our And mentioned would that but, industry. mass investments focus terms continue an know, And, opportunity moving we're you continue on, our that we forward BMD. to I timber, in as for know, we'll So you area facilities, be our around company in the I

know, as the continue would as in move you But you one I forward. the and just it evaluate of growth summarize guess strategy. important of know, our past, we we'll to remains described capital I of kind use for So best opportunities, support an we

George Staphos

just mass I'm would you're that of Or and to can't ever like seems you in last therefore, it that? mentioned, and timber since trying But deemphasize you find in out already double-dipping a areas growing Would as here. If example as out leverage you're you I anything? would one Nate, innovation via to, being one tend - could thing, going and anything? that I'll is rule point and to to that ask acquisition rule

Nate Jorgensen

a is services I mean, anything, Probably expect I Yeah, customers know, supply you too our our they point. I products, of, thanks, a that out find know, commitment we'll think, continue range you don't little framing you Boise obviously, George. that a know, from to, to Cascade. think rule materials,

think But of find kind of, Products, it So it probably be, to that something that. mass you I of we're, know, into going and to be you wouldn't important know, specific the a certainly things is Wood forward. moving would timber know, to you on terms opportunity in that some get point that is leading we

George Staphos

much, very turn I'll you Thank over. it Nate.

Nate Jorgensen

George. Thanks,

Operator

of We line have coming next Montreal. question the of Wilde Mark our from Bank with

open. line Your is

Mark Wilde

the guys. commercial looking up I'm any morning, guess a metal material any of with you about Good kind at between people lumber Anyway, I you're and will seeing wood, I in to by conservation going I know, don't whether and know all? and back I'm builders' of territory, seeing and lot or of whether a start, deed nosebleed unpunished. years forth of at price, prices ago, substitution to pullback goes your there for XX like either kind builders signs you response panels steel toggle no activity both talk think are these prices? know, studs, in actually just you know, was stock good back higher curious

Nate Jorgensen

Hey, Mark it's Nate.

to housing, terms is tensioned in up. know, services of anything, we products of, terms haven't know, material you really tethered specifically substitution, you seen I kind really product substitution, single-family and know, think You of you most in know,

of carry. across we capacity, the that different really and aren't of we recover terms items in anywhere, just it seeing many excess So again,

timing. know, pulling terms where of, terms of signals, some back, in early people you you know, someone has maybe flexibility In project

seeing disruption perhaps the You very these bit a in little think costs there's quick not to But week saw you a be returning think obviously, markets, maybe we overall, significant several of they stand know, in of know, a of our we today, in strong marketplace, momentum we normalcy, we're as unlike seem I bit but what last to weather given building the that fourth feels hesitation of year. commodities, the last quarter order. point, had I on across a very to your

So, of of no prices, looking seeing, and that signs material select bit that that. substitution to project few these we're people some some on early there, a and push maybe higher a hesitant a perhaps kind maybe do at are projects little if they can they're

Mark Wilde

Okay. your been to about what lumber and And, that way Nate seeing mean, kind imports trade in articles panels talk you're have is of increased also both press the I possible through the distribution, about of some recently? of there in

Nate Jorgensen

want question through? walk Nick, that to you

Nick Stokes

chime Mark. let let I'm or sorry, I'll in morning, on Mike Good Nate plywood. I'll

a the think terms anecdotal Europeans I of always like you on that standpoint that have know, of offshore more closer a opportunities just is the this those those given had at to Wood in best, presence. he's wood might guys it have. available, commodity some dynamics. the pricing seems distribution there's side, the of And of bit From some but

Mike Brown

Europe, actually tariffs back lot in we to the timeframe. before the early exported January. on was cubic under January. XXX,XXX they'll of brought of can a summer go typical And yeah, typically then And direct And - point, to from give number maybe, that's the XX,XXX they US. year, fairly below back a if last US the in in Brazil, meters maybe I market And January have the you XXXX, on. just numbers to that December. at the April-May just to in go Yeah, Mark are Then shift high I see they the volume

Mark Wilde

Okay, That's panel market? right. then, helpful. And yeah, Mike the in all

Mike Brown

Yeah.

it that couple somebody a this, you And a of to of $XXX out hanging I it send the pay here's European United Kingdom more information. to sort So yesterday that we'll to sort you to of is pieces the will whatever like UK. was lumber States pay carrot by United went anecdotal there, send of the told businesses.

of market So that experiencing. that of you the flavor sort gives of some we're type

the you things. But Wayne's So lumber Wood side gives good some is flavor importing about Products obviously, the Boise Wood To Products, of lumber presenting the themselves sort not points business. Cascade' are challenges of of that in Brazil. in that

You Brazil year up last know, the was like XX% volume from year-over-year.

has about So And XXX,XXX quite a amount, lot a this cubic lick. done good more a meters plywood. for year significant yes,

So the Wayne imported off as January was much twice spoke that's that cubes XXXX. in as of XX,XXX

So it's not that territory. sending point, because plywood, now in have is And the mean, I we lot are. prices of your not they to the still enough. are that a nosebleed not it's Brazil

interesting So climb can't volume to wouldn't. it'll good be the it any reason I see did last see whether year, continues to as it why

Mark Wilde

of you're you. at to Okay. mention did you fourth of just leverage, working you couple for of want a free risk debt virtually levels? used the you a would mean, remind commodity forward. And little of kind the us as about of target these kind to the think ones bit a do just help quarter, first And quarter, cash the us quick but what manage from then, I at downside Wayne, of, net Can bit maybe to little just remind then in also going of to sort they people just end of prices capital you kind know, where

Wayne Rancourt

Yeah.

referred maintaining really debt EBITDA X.X the some the cash cash Xs to would balances Nate to. close cash for know, you X. And high on higher and gross initiatives of the insurance that leverage given we're into around take the have Normally, somewhere sweep to So COVID net around and uncertainties to said, pre-pandemic, position. growth enough we the

Mark Wilde

of just kind commodity then the managing risk. Okay, - commodity just and the

Wayne Rancourt

directional in normal four we of to feel environment commodity a may three typically really volume would the we're two every which be volume, around XX%-ish somewhere a sure on and on to is around service in to orders try to that like we if of in logistic really of out Products have real and is day. weeks' shorten might we us do absolute. as terms weeks, the And, think customers. to use levels why what getting at And keep you and Wood three we're to what commodities BMD that our the advantage sales we opposed I of trucks we toppy, we, commodity this shorten know, to tightly focused and think, never filling thing we're trading making buying it's side, because But our we worth efficient it Yeah, but is matched as that it's gives be wood. very selling. up If

available strong to which would in the in in October, were as as bit, a why to of were. of frankly, but realized and little had they strong a play commodity shorten And occur lot positioning cycles, part results a damage views fourth on the way normally teams I a it out we not we pricing on as they December. really recover don't it's the job the is our November, selloff. that stock time quarter of did may the relative But a all pricing. phenomenal with stayed view we on So up try sharp

able be do thing same to we'll the hopefully, So in XXXX.

Mark Wilde

it guys. helpful. turn Thanks, Okay, that's over. really I'll

Wayne Rancourt

Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Reuben of Our the question The with from line Benchmark. next Garner coming

open. Your line is

Reuben Garner

in benefits you it and front? Or Is BMD at kind range. to those new about quarters, X.X% to looking were of, EBITDA EBITDA the the other you neutral of you X.X% but pricing where wrong, margins in me were Maybe about fourth guess, in morning, division? BMD if kind those side, above if to correct talk some way, Good the you everybody. on was us quarters were, were extent, from I the of the and maybe a commodity know, standpoint know, second right the the level some I'm an I kind your benefits well BMD targets there starting I'm think previous know, I'm or that maybe business? part on commodity your the thinking Just wrong the for had margin environment

Wayne Rancourt

leverage line But doing around up add mid-to-high me some somewhere I may that the is normally, price after commodities can Yeah, as somewhere representing up. if on would And on as And Reuben more normal of Xs normal we're - creeping the is anything. sales. know, state a of it's we margin the would exceptional the reflective general commodity and we're really usually, on XXs we're, would you you that obviously, creep margin, months. X% don't at things gross of of somewhere be, level, that and expenses, a grow affairs he X.X% the get number to XX% we that of products then think this to know, Nick to But we move to number. are we I in to to the margins additional XX% OpEx got EBITDA of you in to door Wayne BMD continue margin a of last comment because had in business assuming the that in investment. and I'll carries think kind trying you, an we're in the EBITDA X.X% as XX tell wants

Reuben Garner

when Is division the or there XX BMD much XX there commodity consignment protection use guys you you the prices coming, any to do in then margin? And in this? volatility assuming elevated gross - in prices months? like You rollover know, some to is are that know, your months great. Okay, the

Nick Stokes

with But have big large and what Nick, if do suppliers a arena, selected selected part many It's risk of not severe where chunk the programs Hi, in in conversations is decline get environment engage But of pricing suppliers it's take we Reuben, an the products. with that pretty what can forms. we with now. mitigate we commodity that anticipate we associated with not this to we'll certainly a selected do. we that,

Reuben Garner

sneak Okay. last I'll in. then one And

to else the So to in it? that year-over-year the in of a be category in increases limit price Or every is, kind across as is I'm power there given in given just about see housing question really fourth pricing utilization maybe industry in and up of little there guess you strength that would pricing you industry? basis. more high we're rates that EWP seems impetus move going likely everything I quarter that can something is market, it EWP? on the in the going growth more surprised capacity isn't talk just Building through Is know, the you seeing, on we for know, the a we're about saw the and how the, 'XX Products you this

Mike Brown

to by Mike. I'll this it's I Reuben try answer component. hi, guess Yeah,

of you I, but generally as downtime in six it state I say, many degree, and I months to course, them But of and West as due much the has in know, trying that know variables wildfires other some Cascade. then the online. months, being to disasters, speaking, to last, south, that been of So produce other a bring think some producers can hurricanes know, the is COVID incremental nine supply issues. I impacting can there EWP natural you think huge let's not one as amount industry some some can. And, to Boise time for the certainly as have industry possibly they on, incremental, in goes a at fact of and you the course,

the power to As it pricing relates question.

it's commodity tends You a we know, this EWP. industry have more in focus, not to pricing in model a really general used long-term that

a of or the commodity that, down, in up or the as it variations. usual you to variations don't lumber be So follow plywood know tend either price that you know just result

the Well, remains it would future? side many is to out prices So, economics in sort seeing It's the suggest has future. just price go commodity manufacturers. as guess of opportunity issues walking strong are It's as through at there of demand many, fall the up But incremental for to your like contractual will as most increase that not some increase in mine. EWP I that and have it as there of really supply guess probably easy price business. straight be line. bottom some related then today, law the just and the tomorrow implementing nothing as good worked it's where the a as is and with is been of If would the

Reuben Garner

to I on for to guys. this luck the that, close congrats XXXX rest and appreciate of Mike. Good the year. answer Thanks the the - in

Mike Brown

Reuben. Thanks,

Nick Stokes

Thanks, Reuben.

Wayne Rancourt

Reuben. Thanks,

Operator

question Davidson. the of line Yinger our D.A. Kurt And next from coming with

open. Your line is

Kurt Yinger

you morning, Thank and Great. everyone. good

Wayne Rancourt

morning, Good Kurt.

Nate Jorgensen

Good morning, Kurt.

Kurt Yinger

given the I here approximate the do just trend third gross should think 'XX? there on wanted you could QX. persistent morning. BMD we start offsetting Are high factors margins in and inflationary to there Good big margins quarter the any mean, kind gross off of watermark of? in I set of just be aware

Nick Stokes

Kurt, Hi, Nick. this is

them quarter, there. third in reverse take the order I'll So

The on spectacular side. you the in sitting third forward, volatility from today. we where the lumber XX%, think panel composite saw, pretty XX% pricing can as the morning, Having we're quarter in here we'll dynamic that see this expectation don't from the we both and price increases from the packet charts going get increases

think than talked commodities, before, know, trajectory more you the margin is we've and You our and function a on mix And line absolute the of price. of level gross know even of EWP price I as between but historical the general appropriate few today. going is and I you're we're from and normalized minutes ago, get increases and price commodities, Wayne's a think sitting where guidance he talked XX%, what about don't probably to XX%

Kurt Yinger

a ability growth from saw quarter of LVL And in source Nick. constraint that that, the being Was you a I-joists? real for I the third-party down volumes the or guess thanks on veneer to just right, to and relative a in year-over-year. of kind that the all your Okay, veneer produce

Mike Brown

Yeah, Kurt. Hi, it's Mike.

we self-sufficiency do I bit very, is very kind level, in outside. on buy Products I Wood veneer went have the whether Boise it. Cascade or more If think sure veneer that have, to XXX% be more this. for a And we like the self-sufficient it supply its Pacific was no I'm you would is Northwest, bought, in because southeast could some that there we we true. not high it we looked like the bought tell can was everywhere. have of little a EWP. But

it was reduced of supplies to veneer third-party of a one-third. as by supplier buyer southeast, manufacturers the about a in significant I'm case other capacity particular which one that EWP well So in thinking number a had as us and their

produce you've that I-joists. I that think else So bit. more little there was in push than it was very a certainly as strong impacted But anything to for on, more a production us the noted data,

pricing you of So obvious our pretty depending X XXs. think, was a and reasons, you the similar cost very started I for still customer to, significant mean available, theories of product ease searching And for, I-joists the where and producer we're obviously very what of I-joists. know, much I-joists, installation pretty the what to and base I it's good by for quite on and have

our to production in us I-joists. those asked primarily And was things put where to it, so all customers led shifting to our which

Wayne Rancourt

small our flange I we thing vast Brunswick, sawn with Canada. New up of that I-joists may Mike's solid I-joists majority comment add other uses made is, are as one a have the into facility the in an LVL Yeah, reminder, But flange. a

third I-joists and our So about by would increasing shipments, our LVL for use capacity production a we typically I-joists of flange.

an flange. a fair So there that the went door, form out door it of the in actually of out was amount LVL I-joist the went just

Kurt Yinger

Got it.

the the there view? the And know important factor sure relationships you front Or you maintaining is realizing really prioritize mean, you know on present, those you I EWP. your have in all? just most in near-term priorities making long-term the at EWP enough that the the the given volume veneer in Plywood shift know, and that very production does that's to is pricing goal Okay, helpful. environment at the

Mike Brown

EWP on Yeah, now, business. are we focused the

of explained to make are money-making EWP customers I've the we We number last and the veneer prices rated As going to product. given But last we it's putting into into an long a very one EWP veneer EWP today. being we and our don't we time plywood. not realized of that put can could the business value-added a need are stress over a we, we're month into every over that because plywood or so, we business stress-rated more piece do put extraordinary that, is to build

Kurt Yinger

about margins you you here initiatives lastly, incremental sticking remind you XXXX obviously, inflationary kind be margin could makes there? front? those with know, do can on that you you us offset know, pricing And And, of with your EWP, or incremental even items sense. think expect fully in pressures, just Okay, typically how some

Mike Brown

this, Well, I guess I'd like Kurt. answer it

use could be. flange we the unlikely Canada, what the sawn cost that to the our think gone the increase there in You I-joist in it I spoke roof, twice through lumber that facility obviously be of Canada, cover about has used costs know, wood, would the Wayne flange to we it's solid it in

find Stock. depends on to production, It's things I relates because mentioned we're what's like highly a some maybe the earlier, non-Canadian or I OSB the question self-sufficient. input it terms we know be it like any costs. and impact supply time to the our more from in would I wouldn't in to point whether when Web from whether do as less as to really you of about price. in comment in can change increase As happening market I think make a relative we And Reuben, responding - to any have that demand not realize in was to

Kurt Yinger

the Okay, Appreciate Mike congratulations, right. and all color Nick.

Mike Brown

Kurt. Thanks,

Nick Stokes

Thanks, Kurt.

Operator

line our next of question Capital. Quinn RBC have from the coming Paul with We

line is open. Your

Paul Quinn

how a growth had by questions see in like Yeah, for market forward? thanks know on me One thanks the and you you, level I'm pretty is, that how timber mass for that a side, would participate going let growth? result's of higher reaction. questions. you to surprised you good. have But just do pretty couple the And I couple

Wayne Rancourt

Paul, is Wayne. this So

I of for us uses. key the things higher repurpose to try to into think is veneer and one better

an hope work So we on APA. of a and important with and be cetera out we're product mass timber will panels, mix columns, doing lot innovation of et the qualification of part veneer

products thing of the getting are seem mass the beams. is, traction market looking at timber glulam a amount to be other The that to large

the We have a timber, to good pretty opportunities market traction then which product. there that for be a product glulam. Homedale, and be today getting lumber-based in in cross-laminated the continued growth And is plant is in seems may small Idaho, other

for products market we've what EWP to a single-family while potentially organically pretty construction. potential do probably other base. would There's residential done it or so require products we're But be veneer and grow going where a dissimilar on services, not a currently suite I think may areas And either acquisition. have could beyond through opportunity, see but to again, good those we of we

Paul Quinn

you in And could overall Okay, on material if that's your then production, COVID wood hit? impact XXXX, assess you know, helpful. a of that was

Mike Brown

LVL If so that Paul, I-joists to not you or sales different the they're at numbers, dramatically year-over-year, amount plywood be and the honest. if at you for of look volumes matter, look

Paul Quinn

Yeah.

Mike Brown

Okay.

COVID having an did It COVID is impact? or So is.

like make of of manufacturing not like this, senior that the of working think have, as It's XX% people up the summarized I the Things year. last the shortage has year, people. is normal of this first holidays we you, a that of the our of hours of managers one difference. to part we certainly latter Christmas, now. that But you improved. tremendous the around impact sort after their know, kind XXX% It part have states improved, being, you in have and Thanksgiving, of know, had quite what into coming bad

this to and more get back you what and might warmer relief were, full little in, know year better we're call see And of move the say, you things part And certainly know a so, we a normal. with in them hopeful in at last year. position you weather, I'm not or know, full much latter But somewhat staffing production. than vaccines we you, and bit move what have the that the today, we're will as we'll through let's you

Paul Quinn

all Excellent, That's I context. guys. Thanks, great have.

Mike Brown

you. Thank

Wayne Rancourt

Paul. Thanks,

Operator

We have a follow-up the George line of with question America. Staphos from coming of Bank

open. is line Your

George Staphos

I follow-on. Hi, the for couple here. guys. had a taking Thanks

normally running on crank to, on perhaps normal So to recognizing trying not do where and question. think and this really additionally I push questions, plywood EWP? know now could were know, there's you what plywood out volume relative staffing if right you're had no you both through But to single earlier answer or you you the are number for you you

Mike Brown

George. okay, Yeah,

two So in answer this maybe parts. I'll

at we becomes so. So numbers there. the maybe had issue machines and EWP we'd we little side full than bit more Clearly, bit time bit then little staffing Maybe internally. is or full produce would some business, of if staffing, a But the buy and produce round more for that. more veneer veneer available a a a X% the

of is engineered capable all part the general products. think what is not in veneer of wood is experiencing I that, industry being into put

particularly a very of, of think sure, know could I an can veneer/plywood EWP don't type veneer into I And for premium. at we veneer sort plywood selling third-party that particular it XXX% that part with stress-rated at to veneer is that high so the veneer moment call And of the this prices, relative the some money producer. producers plywood more make to stress-rated be, putting

production. increase stress-right help? I So true we more elsewhere, EWP really, on Does I've that for is looking industry veneer commentary think based the and is this heard to

George Staphos

of what And means constraints in It and I question. the terms that are model it recognize does? answering lot to of operating there

some on then, me that evolved veneer know, were recollection And at I'm terms you capacity. answered want view Boise has in one during couple incorrect I a our seven, you've recall, IPO how's And and that it and wrong to saying don't eight on position be know back but products that that, that to you really to you, self-sufficient just time, remind point you of that times. at at but on veneer assessment, in your wanted a on there and recollection, you all? Mike, the if last, incorrect, I but me to remember saying know, is a If if the not we know, is capitalize both saying would want be but in you I be the know, You in go company veneer. changed than of point this more correct shortages years? here, remember I probably view over in it's that that that you Correct

Mike Brown

Yeah, good you George. know pretty it's think a question, I

veneer to for into and investments total produce last making engineered thereabouts, the amount or the wood that amount increase put strategic we've we So decade been be the of can products.

mostly, efficient of dryers, of dryers but dryers. replacing new new exclusively not dryers or United in with we've old many more dollars, tens veneer spent southeastern So the installing States, either millions

own you same can At for we more able production fullest than, its veneer time, EWP made has So the acquisitions, example, to. we're veneer we produce capacity. know, historically, the facility

So made into system. like bring acquisitions places it's the more essentially self-sufficient. on And to at we veneer Chester

time. state actually which mentioned, Tom objective of guessing you increased the towards, Tom driving directly the last either at or you I'm Carlile footprint, the mentioned know, over Corrick So that or we've decade our so

Brazil, we we So to you event. we changes, know, are were time, an certainly course, been period on There amount because as approximately and any buy we variety some have longer in veneer particular And XX of ago operation have we have don't that which manufacturers, other of of that used years these And are the used much to and manufacturers. buy from of Brazil. a suppliers diversified outside. considerable EWP selling to bringing don't veneer different we days, veneer on over

bit little produce can said you we more as think veneer. thought I I a

We only little have might timber. earlier, as more be EWP think to produced. some off the was I more as answering, Wayne's mentioned more Wayne linchpin on I of, work, I going how we And - bit think to I can that's Paul's sort a do. be spoke much touching total what that question, can with To finish by about mass when dryer I but

a looking a know avenues other engineered into more find some flexibility I are and And that it of at putting down of today into to veneer bit. that road volume some we're going try to supply ways panel. there us hopefully give EWP know, some means not product call may type that's You wood the you and little

George Staphos

question Thanks, earlier know, Mike. effect from that there's triggered My of question kind vantage much if this. my not last my the Mark's guess is But from you any question point. and

panel, that locally been effect both their markets, a a Thanks, expect a question? medium of your also in deal. any that again, luck good ask North wouldn't of lot there's the in would any companies, I Latin in be know, board, but all does would quarter. have at guys American America in I You in so But added fiberboard, by particle wood the capacity non-structural figured and big markets? density

Nate Jorgensen

that have Hey, terms either doesn't kind George just side. the Products Yeah, Nate. of Wood any really it's on or MDF us, in that capacity effect BMD in of of

division. point a in doesn't any So has really you theme growing your either that have know connection to been while Cascade Boise to

George Staphos

so luck Good Thank Nate. - Okay. you much,

Nate Jorgensen

George. Thanks, Okay.

Mike Brown

Thanks.

Operator

will over to further are this the back I call There Wayne Rancourt. at no question turn time.

Wayne Rancourt

morning. to great Thank And you, first up quarter. a us look after Have this catching everyone forward week. with you for joining we

Operator

This concludes today's conference call.

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Boise Cascade (BCC) 23 Feb 212020 Q4 Earnings call transcript