Earnings call transcript Q4 2022

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Operator

Good morning. My name is , and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Boise Cascade's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. It is now my pleasure to introduce you to Kelly Hibbs, Senior Vice President, CFO and Treasurer of Boise Cascade. Mr. your begin may you conference. Hibbs,

Kelly Hibbs

and Thank like Earnings everyone. Update. would morning, welcome you, Call you Business XXXX Tawanda, to Quarter to I Fourth good Boise and Cascade's

Mike are and Operations; Strom, Head Materials Jorgensen, call Wood Building Jeff today's our Operations. on of our me our Joining CEO; Distribution Brown, of Head Products Nate

with the Turning to warning will and slides in GAAP segment associated income press our call and in statements EBITDA please forward-looking the and statements. statements. presentation adjusted segment regarding from income net forward-looking appendix note Slide contain #X. the our these with that EBITDA to filings our release, risks includes This the Please SEC on Also, review reconciliations to the EBITDA.

to over I Nate. will now the turn call

Nathan Jorgensen

you morning, us I'm Kelly. joining today. call everyone. on Slide earnings Thanks, #X. on Thank for our Good

on a A XXXX per net of reflect strides $XXX.X terrific million, full We on We made in for great safety. Boise share of few I $XX.XX year highlights We reported had strong income sales our as or performance $X.X billion. on Cascade. diluted businesses, X,XXX in company made special want and possible. XXXX dividends. the thank and also also our shareholders with rewarded both the $XXX regular million I initiatives growth to recognize accomplishments of and and associates our across of nearly combined we results who

turn Let fourth to me results. over now quarter the

strong in starts declined the able total housing Despite housing financial deliver driven U.S. decrease in challenging quarter. activity a starts the environment we with fourth construction sharply XX%, residential results. were XX% single-family the compared prior-year to New by quarter, at to down

XXXX. the $X.X billion fourth sales quarter quarter down were fourth of X% consolidated from of Our

of significant EBITDA to or or share inventory $XX.X the in compared $XXX.X fourth volumes per stocking sales segment million in reported was and the quarter. Wood channel. Wood $XXX.X $X.XX Our share of net customer net a housing was due by year-ago decline to quarter the million to Products million, the million, quarter. in $XXX.X lower starts income compared Products $X.XX year-ago in impacted per income EWP through

will have production demand. continue our managing to and current on expected We meet to sales and focus levels

quarter. Materials $XX.X to segment $X.X prior-year and the and million BMD due $X.X to of prior-year quarter for starts, $XXX.X also decline of housing EBITDA declining of negatively the lower experienced impacted commodity quarter sales billion fourth segment prices volumes results of comparative financial billion the compared compared sales Distribution Building quarter our on the in million in reported EBITDA fourth XXXX. sales of during to

sales our activity products across manage to range the steady, inventory mix uncertainty. market However, warehouse and and was of our during as to desire of risk other loads volume periods customers look tend

balance remains the our invest we to cycle. look very through As normalized forward when to plans that exit We sheet our businesses affords strong we so ability of in further remain activity to the returns levels. continued the residential construction execution us XXXX, growth and well-positioned business our

further speak walk questions. in initiatives update detail and come back your on Kelly? commentary. our our to through more our before during outlook a to allocation, financial we take our I'll results now provide Kelly I'll which more capital outlook after growth provide will

Kelly Hibbs

to #X. million on in Wood our sales Thank fourth in fourth to Products including quarter, million segment, Slide quarter I'm $XXX.X the you, Nate. sales compared $XXX.X were distribution XXXX.

sales reported higher fiber of volumes decrease $XXX.X Products from The down reported lower segment of and EWP primarily costs. was EBITDA EBITDA the in in EBITDA As Nate year-ago wood due $XX.X to million other mentioned, manufacturing and million, quarter. Wood segment

and includes amortization transaction. million Coastal amortization, assets the per Plywood depreciation We year. expect to Wood be and incremental the acquired $XXX Products' annual forward, the moving from This in depreciation approximately

of $XX.X quarter. in a XXXX. decrease of EBITDA in the the decrease fourth quarter and quarter segment sales gross the fourth from margin resulting driven by compared fourth were EBITDA prices of billion, segment from quarter $X.X was million million, BMD segment down declining $XXX.X EBITDA decreased $XX.X BMD in quarter commodity XX% The million during in reported prior-year to sales XXXX. volumes

selling and In distribution increased $X.X addition, expenses million.

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fourth volumes down in and the compared allowance up for the partially were LVL were adjustments Our X% quarter during respectively, third customer offset Pricing sales XX%, fourth I-joists through I-joists positive XX% by significant were channel. housing compared the Sharply pressures volumes rebate quarter impacted quarter were inventory for quarter broad XXXX. by respectively, starts pricing of the across and that and XXXX. quarter with with and and volumes fourth in LVL destocking X%, sales decline and fourth EWP declining created system. single-family

pressures We first we EWP experience sequentially. the as we pricing EWP to move have continued XXXX, of and price expect quarter for through significant decline

will up comparison levels. However, be quarter we expect in still prices EWP to first XXXX

both As volume to expectations, first higher quarter in LVL relates and sequential sales be I-joist expect it to modestly we currently XXXX. EWP

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quarter plywood was in feet acquisition sales in in the XXX Coastal Plywood. of The quarter volumes feet compared XXXX. XXX related fourth Our plywood million to Wood fourth increase volume sales million Products to was primarily

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the was quarter, down reported decreased XX down during from last margin X.X% quarter declining quarter from volumes percentage The BMD's compared quarter resulting fourth XXXX. gross Gross the points margin the decreased basis X.X% fourth in and the XX.X% EBITDA fourth the XX.X%, commodity with in in the dollars million was year, $XX.X BMD for reported sales from year-ago quarter. for same margin prices quarter XXXX.

sales pace thus Looking quarter first weaker. seasonally XXXX is forward, in BMD's far

levels We provide projections. economic high of continue service also housing prudent but carrying levels are and uncertainty start given inventory, focused to on weaker

marketplace, reporting realities of of quarter gross the lower and today's year-over-year first the we margins sales, sequentially anticipate With margins EBITDA in and XXXX.

to However, also execution levels. BMD's we solid exceed expect pre-COVID EBITDA margins our and will continue that

in and #X sharp lumber the slides Slides increases steady fourth panel in quarter. to Moving XXXX and compared decrease quarter These during pricing the prior-year #XX. show with

commodity has XXXX, pricing and As slightly. panel we increased enter lumber

below previous is However, it well in the highs historical experienced years.

volatile, uncertain than seen product commodity tighter will as to ranges demand recent the needed years to to attempts be but future supply within to continue pricing environment. an near-term adjust expect support levels in We industry

BMD. Slide Carolina million Products capital spending had now in expenditures Chapman, at of million spending of veneer of and $XXX of expenditures Wood the on Alabama facility. #XX. dryer Products, I'm in capital and Wood $XX and our plant plywood $XX in our included in our XXXX, Chester, We with South spending In million equipment-related post-acquisition a replacement veneer

Greenfield as Ohio organic for the for expenditures and recently distribution South our announced purchases centers as Texas. expansions Minnesota, in disclosed and land capital in Carolina BMD, funding Kentucky, our well previously In

investment multiyear to to growth total EWP includes in capacity and expect projects further BMD which capital projects. million, in in million approximately of expenditures expansion the $XXX We organic XXXX our $XXX continuation

of expenditures. before, the levels our engineering the these As availability financial that we've to construction on resources, equipment noted results influence of among and capital of are purchases and expected an availability timing are and factors have

our million our Board our $XXX per paid XXXX. we returns, special increase, to to capital and our of shareholders shareholder or quarterly approach a to remain approved dividend. Dividends return dividends options $X.XX to in shareholders Speaking quarter regular repurchases preferred fourth allocation. share, share to XXXX, XX% capital under balanced and opportunistic in In

approximately We December have available committed maturities and billion, reflects debt at line. cash our near-term our of availability total had under $X.X which liquidity bank and no XX

As invest base projects sheet our ample us very organic existing such, in both providing and our businesses. to asset balance to in remains growth continue flexibility strong,

outlook. back to will turn Nate our business to it I discuss over

Nathan Jorgensen

on Thanks, Slide #XX. I'm Kelly.

see calling continue XXXX declines XX% most in with to in starts, total levels. to starts to compared XX% XXXX housing housing notably deceleration expect for We forecasts in of for generally U.S. a to starts, single-family the

rates peak mortgage XXXX late price affordability home in remains moderated, declined have and levels a increases how While have consumers. from for challenge

to housing Despite fundamentals longer-term favorable, demand by and impacts stock. The data continue mortgage actions what economy response in broader and uncertainty, residential inflationary construction strong believe for an near-term supported continue actions be have demand demographic we on Federal rates trends to influence and will Reserve's the the near-term drivers upcoming to these and the new the environment.

repair for and As favorable homeowner and age it of the equity provide spending. elevated U.S. relates stock to of a backdrop improvement home housing remodel levels spending,

supportive likely continue of anticipate tempered these economic in by an drivers be homeowners' investment we future residences. their to While slowdown, to

invest As for in existing and expanded expenditure and asset Kelly capital growth organic program businesses an mentioned, projects in our have to XXXX. both we remain well-positioned base

interested grow remain also as opportunities in means We company. a to the M&A further

U.S. be we from the into grow weakness on new our system not to fundamental successfully focused Coastal to construction capacity. and the near-term Coastal conviction continuing and investments on Southeast residential for will our EWP Wood the in Products, our The to in capacity operations targeted thesis detract In acquisition integrate the execute Plywood EWP expand does

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we effectiveness and our ability Lastly, in to I'm market have in our so do future. uncertainties, confident in the managing proven

operating market weaker execution and we our to demand environment construction. and of our use key a to strength to and remain continue navigate priorities of the will new We our We benefit near-term as for suppliers, committed communities the shareholders. strategic customers, uncertainties financial

you for you phone at Thank us any please continued support open would your this joining the Tawanda, and We in call welcome for time. questions today the interest lines? on Boise Cascade. and

Operator

[Operator Instructions].

Bank America. line of first Our comes from question with Staphos George of the

George Staphos

obviously, is hit LVL. and that is, had long I Said still that you seeing you're rates destocking quarter? question differently, on if first early the volume happening, the in your what now Can and, I-joist in talk will the right volume are continue? guess to how run what I destocking

Dean Brown

Mike. it's George,

So better end of this somewhat year. would say I thankfully, last than the is the of tail year at beginning

they've that So in refill the for capital of on to gave an of worked with late year. of last in sort not surprisingly, January down really XXXX, the last part pipeline that occurred that some opportunity destocking the working

similar was, yet, we're relative So looking bad particular. in all even In X not January this months a prior things it's considered, like finished it's January to not month to though the at stage. February,

George Staphos

Okay.

So to say, get fair to earnings on got quarter? price up that into volume? with about What Mike, EWP, some the on would it how of comparable might directionally, be you you declines outlook quarter, in us EBITDA that? think have call think would on -- certainly live, about for but analysts it's sequential guardrails making could be i.e. the fairly recognizing an how How kind wood fourth all you you've we of put it you're kind your the hard this expect

Kelly Hibbs

Yes.

directional Kelly. is EWP talked volumes, far in We plywood to some then those I terms to price also erosion off probably flattish be quarter. pricing guidance expected expect speak this didn't George, sequentially. but this about being we EWP. We did speak volumes. we in XX% would give you so you We did to tell And So of plywood

a So I glues, et if on together, it would relief, pressures cost resins, getting say as that also put we're relates all to you stuff will, cetera. you of not labor, and wood, lot

quarter. as was to would expect we not be down. We it in it the at the levels fourth same quarter expect So be would first EBITDA to

George Staphos

seeing, you're EWP? as at or in talk as you well you're your running to at, both plywood the that operating that Can stance mills

Dean Brown

George. sure, Yes,

adjusting So I our we're monitoring, have the think, as obviously, in appropriately. we the Nate us schedules and order run front and demand that mentioned, files of

of up nature, times think, you've that the heard run as having we're lot internally integrated because produce some the of ends adjustments a I normally veneer to our terms of several past, take EWP, we where in schedules. in in

a of a take things doing, outages and, the days So they there weeks variety and or the are to having of include number reducing more of we're on occasion, at one time. or number shifts per that of week

it So vary geography. does a little by bit

So running consistently is is the I'd Southeast more Pacific generally the than a stronger bit say, Northwest. bit therefore speaking, a and

this the QX outcome of first the what total of look have what so saw what be in end volumes mean will And I and in dissimilar the I to overarching at at will the last the when not the so year. think we you, to year, quarter

maybe here depending we location, So down at there continue or us. or you that the of notice, on depending files week we've announcements, you've that some will seen the and will taken do a on to time front and of week least, we a what through have in order

George Staphos

like or so lead week Mike, a now? times right

Dean Brown

Yes.

of order in plywood out is the So us. front file several weeks

file thing. good actually So EWP that's about our order increasing. And is happy a I'm very that.

through an as far. month and remainder goes So, example. February hence, significantly remainder earlier of We'll this been was And so see March. good has December than comments that around my the the how of pretty January better

Operator

Our Sachs. line of next Goldman Susan with the comes Maklari from question

Susan Maklari

first improved of given the clear seeing in My total. efforts a question all that that as you it's General mix are Line percent is with an the BMD there

than over in that initiatives you next to further can the get to margin as that can the play where look or As role time segment you that, you out, quarter will and talk so? those think just

Kelly Hibbs

Yes.

EWP. have said is Sue. good in our good do at we our we're before, are So you continue and margins to BMD we of question, strategy as And just we trying grow business. it's the expect the pieces in but continue expectation of and exactly pie is the And pieces demonstrated as margin we our be those General that, of to Line which part is pie, said, that. grow to the what we that, certainly, expand, gross and to a commodity EBITDA We're will

EBITDA we a of move what EBITDA color be levels and terms We to also yes, in in here expect did that performance you we of looking try give little absolutely quarter of terms as to pre-COVID margins for in But in over we're time, to BMD. of forward first terms terms relative X%-plus margins.

Susan Maklari

hold we there. spring feels question commentary volumes EWP excited turning is seeing on, comment about have what builders you And the hold do think we some they're that you the into on then the to extent? file lower? increasing I prices that into the of how channel to that add are it ground move to head X, Do head But the commodity are the as in you if X, inventory about spread around you there to perhaps realized that. order and that like pretty guess, there. Can the and last do more those think some general, the can underlying ability even as the positioning some pricing do to

Dean Brown

on stab the at in. begin others it's I'll chime then Sue, Mike. a have this with, to

downward I looking mean, pressure take So are I still significant to the possible think the in common builders is issue the costs category. EWP think on it's side, there's spread that that I knowledge on out fundamental every pricing pricing.

so time And on obviously -- haven't result, been we're allocation now. some as for a quite

spread don't I So the remain. would think

I for like think ourselves situation be time, pre-pandemic. hopefully of there'd period back to some we going increasing nothing found pressure in the

general California But relates see to for fact again, bit the As us, could has of think are starting more weeks. if forward. additional I less overall in finally, of you than several action a little going that due they're geography, could California think, assist was be the or Northwest will, in builders on that And the seeing, particularly I to to I that underwater demand Southeast, depending what it partially stronger and late. been think

green not it's think flashing it's certainly red. I longer we're Maybe light, sort So of but no a yellow.

is more there than for year. So strength a sure saw little we bit late last

Nathan Jorgensen

add to just Mike's Maybe Nate. it's Sue, to comments.

me, I off to the fourth think, over coming pretty point are quarter. pessimistic of the that last your optimism maybe of think here on weeks; some I for maybe builders couple describing the a it's

certainly year; this that were in in more builders terms more of think experiencing I we looking why to a of the bit point, the today, last So in perhaps terms time some maybe improved marketplace maybe we're your different reality and than of markets. momentum are a at perhaps optimistic select the but that still optimism is

we're So we're business as carefully described, our capacity watching And that we accordingly. plans managing and closely. and

Susan Maklari

And Okay. is inventory the lean assume in it that still fair to is pretty there?

Dean Brown

a think normal much thing happens pretty my I So year. this every is January, comments around and earlier that

is in in of any month in the generally situation, working capital year. better overall EWP way industry simply the January terms demand most any of So focuses because of which a on for

certainly So middle let's of of I'd the nothing not say, year. any in is say imagination, stretch like channel was, it full by last the the

I think this early way. But too say -- that I'll it put there's it's to

there's channel. opportunity stage. full to near go the think I volume for ample more into We're nowhere at this

Susan Maklari

XXXX? question great shape. pipeline one last return, bit shifting you've think speak M&A a done around a then there, the great to, Can of macro And just in out as but job generation, one, cash of plans of you sheet's just, and balance just for in cash, uses is kind also a obviously, about shareholder that sort overall we the

Kelly Hibbs

Yes, I'll sure, take that. Sue.

So at I then allocation think broadly, get maybe maybe and me your to I'll let speak capital questions. just

and do head time. period we feel we really balance into So sheet fortunate have sheet, to our of uncertain we're an good about balance we as have

see being done. planning $XXX of million that. about in really on spending that our on We hindrance are have XXXX. to getting we million our excited sheet don't a We're executing capital We plan $XXX balance

some reasonable that chance we a sort I there that, organic that uncertainty, ponder. like there in say also would environments would where events M&A be could or there's other are And of this

the well that as business place fruition. plans to absolutely. we some the in We're have yes, as to grow looking with might come So to continue things

also, then ongoing we is return as mechanism to out on to with And not the and have we sight going of timing, what lose will to shareholders to what point and right shareholders dialogue to board appropriate. the we're the continue figure deem returns, cash shareholder the that right our when it's

Operator

next question from Mamtora with line BMO. of the comes Ketan Our

Ketan Mamtora

think Kelly, simple I of utilization not but about of know there EWP? because to is the sort way it? just rate current flows through, way in to is way it's as there about think a a And

Dean Brown

statement, would go or our I as general around anywhere or running guess very I like we a specifics are at into I say, not to wouldn't capacity. we're near XX%. XX% running XX%

that I other volumes both think that into something that running and of limited at were in were say, last but not problem. that's stage, the to by we I'd part far than of capacity you too that producing we solved certainly to like look near at of get at if part earlier We've people. we were the that sort year, the availability

significantly, bring to And the available so, long folks have would should some on maintain as increase actually we as current demand additional increase output workforce our can need. that the and veneer will we we

Ketan Mamtora

point? you kind it, how of sit sort then curious, the you as as the resi look curious, talked give look demand of today, does your at we've a sense being in of down demand here at quite and Obviously, of of and I'm can a move that you channel, different new just sense just us of just look? sort inventory And a of I'm products, to just general switching BMD. sort at But bit. lot sell-through all about you this

Jeff Strom

been focused their was that stands getting Jeff you, think and significantly earlier, on you working rightsized. definitely the been now they've and is as if destocking net risk/reward everything, have where right And they've inventories about Stroma. equation, the I'll said Ketan, on in this channel, different. tell is Inventory capital

there's that said, of in reliance That out ship quantities inventory they real right being we now a right can on that prompt, need. warehouse

significant. overall, So of warehouse while our continues to slowed down out things have business be

Ketan Mamtora

of categories destocking the process a of of destocking further already played out? in And Or sort least we've in us? has most at product that bit inventory of ahead got it of Or do you is think the happening? kind quite

Jeff Strom

of our there by and complete, is But is to but be line. from locations some geography that done. is what seems So we've product most of to most heard it still it and it varies go, by

Nathan Jorgensen

up add you the Ketan, Nate. will there inventory to and we're really increase kind things, levels is comments really of that we're of Jeff's think, the in stock as some think demand is for And just look it's I about of building side where Maybe where there's risk/reward. probably given view hesitancy to channel to that, on a season. that the to relative on kind at process,

think will and products through the levels now relative And the warehouse on and steady year. think so inventory range consistent a and will the we people stay probably here of out I more and dependency services to course remain of of

Ketan Mamtora

you far? And little from of sort any talk what sort the downside? or your of can positive of then, bit sort And to seen thus about Nate, Coastal either a you've acquisition there surprises

Dean Brown

Yes. Ketan. Sure,

way would very private to say public Cascade particularly, very requirements with So company. transitioned satisfied versus Coastal good which company in very good I'm processes different the Most I philosophy, and good, Very, associates. very adapting the as Boise a have we're to very with in associates a acquisition. satisfied the very,

extremely gone has part well. that So

was of the Chapman already part to able Alabama produce on we're plan that executing facility. capital acquisition, and the veneer We're from our stress-rated

initial capital So that we've implemented project the project, allowed do to the that. us capital

because of So part plan. that's was our a that

you, there would our but have that all nothing are block. because changing a and so And systems always what at process stumbling issues call we're I

will put think a very has it So demand in undoubtedly as time. we're when returns remarkably very, the place I good some us satisfied and

Operator

next Our Yinger comes from line Davidson. Kurt question the D.A. with of

Kurt Yinger

starts non-single-family of you kind look growth there think EWP course volumes into thoughts? outperform the match over I year and guess factor related the as of terms your your out into do kind single-family perhaps some perhaps of or now do Just volumes, right recognizing there's noise opportunities in of can you And trends? XXXX, how

Dean Brown

Yes, Kurt, it's Mike.

offset obviously, to on that we reduction single-family focused multifamily, are And commercial. very, can And very that like stocks. like everything that. the things includes, we doing we're So in

with we In addition the customers to there supplying that, last in are opportunities that weren't potential round.

And the with additional looking not other the want offensive so have for may as to that we're brand. somebody else and relates to been it stay on with customers may

as ample I as sure our so So think forth opportunity play to have little to we're the I multifamily. space Nate's will with well out, not single-family think that we year the How progress going around rates how and interest shelf uncertainties expand both bit across comments, really to is a and so on.

like answer So just the a or give to we year have this I last wouldn't to you volume concrete less moment. to more at where compared year

I think a the view we need under belt have a better of will out. months few our how more year pan to bit

Kurt Yinger

next of kind even you Kelly, relief cost in side yet. inventories you stock line on not in the South, that and have about there? quarters? refilling in then, into of of of factor seeing maybe do of over sight West might the to long also But And on the some the terms in web perhaps much prices how and terms cost And the OSB deflation touch couple you could talked side

Kelly Hibbs

hit I'll and you if need maybe briefly here. Mike then Yes. more some I'll give color be it let

of have still number for east, downs. as a did not right? cost log the a the So pressures a lot And pretty And have years, pretty of to the south persistent. steady, lot been in so of ups, yes, allude are and been not we costs,

see whole those a bit be move wood in on probably a changing lot. of fact, little there'll baskets so don't pressure forward. we And as And that we

you the things to end Oregon think West, get there there us and as prices. to good are it product the wood to tied cost In about Northeast a Northeast in amount X Washington, of relates

see move some That's we there. there. XXXX Western So wood we so are costs high Oregon, start through as and case. the challenged generally much would not In to to expect relief a basket,

So cost. that's wood

petrochemical, yet. seen of we increased labor, tied resins, it's don't there, that Any time? over that and and might support do costs associates, coming color you'd Glues so guess, we to start Sure, so and to happy add, we other relief to I but our see get we then And haven't have down. and in Mike? some it some

Dean Brown

No.

everybody that's seen, significantly. the mean, think increased have really the I for energy, it. wood, resin, materials maintenance I has as all I think costs part, most labor,

year, of a lot out. during situation them slide little the how some macroeconomic back this it on but depend And bit may a will pans

back certainly some don't obviously wages can number, where the where not back they I being before. think primary those to So but it we one the were costs before, get was of hourly that's going to

Kelly Hibbs

again, a And didn't cover we benefit one some come basis, prices off before. start to thing expect then was Yes. OSB that, we've about as off, would Kurt, yes, I see to there, but on lagged as talked

Kurt Yinger

to; guys organically. been pretty And of then of that you lot terms successful alluded M&A BMD, I just expands just in growing strategically have a think, opportunities lastly, sense. the you kind growth It makes of Coastal, runway for In in EWP.

so just would high little bit provide color a hoping you at could around level attractive what of perspective. maybe I M&A find from an you was I guess And a strategically

Nathan Jorgensen

it's Kurt, Nate.

gotten and terms in to months, in terms and of things to your us in M&A, lot still of a we've think and growth XX opportunities. I XX the have of of optimism work done over here a think point, maybe number of last we M&A front I

For I what me, say do. would we're we are and stay to centered who we going in

in So extreme looking basis. of get be to we terms front the kind in get of a up unique day-out of day-in, we're on marketplace not how to and going show

involved that today. the work I stay the in kind we'll centered largely we're business So and of in think

again, to good represents at mass also space, in construction I may I point, continue think road look opportunities we about that timber. exist feel maybe of acquisition And your in and we opportunities. the the think in and Coastal To what what terms the opportunities commercial growth down terms of

and of as and to franchise. sure kind staying, market door services on think day-in And really it's and a we on millwork products you in right to in opportunities grow described I look day-out and BMD, specifically capability have our the at it, continue making basis. capacity we

look think or continue so think fit platform, year that's about something work do for again, given, on in to announcement it's as We So the how Kansas I continue about we suppliers. we that's we'll And I done our Texas. again, well both to terms feel grow been customers of in last work our as the that, City. and that good feel specifically in our the with good over

be hope I context. provides not some unique Again, we're that to a going place. into So heading

of I we've consistent that and of going businesses pretty been environment kind with stay think here we're last and the steady in the years. number to of

Operator

George with from of the Bank a line We question of have Staphos follow-up America.

George Staphos

One, quickies. you big on normal happened if pretty saga? level, it is customers pretty destocking can now, had [indiscernible] if the correctly. Are but are You your there Brazilian you just overall, this channel I the retail juncture had then up, room at see? inventories what's you latest mapped normal from sharply relatively home move inventories heard I'm at at wondering, you mentioned correctly, for the what to two plywood said the at retail where certification think I there And Just centers.

Kelly Hibbs

to and in it go Nate channel. Yes. Thanks, let we'll then the the plywood, the give inventory George. on I'll a Brazilian further speak

rated of there certification "saga," to word the probably the kind product this starts There's stops you appropriate as when still you So relates sheeting. I several the That's asked think about word. George, that. used and been around it

And January year-over-year were last the in seen XX%. U.S. then level about off lowest imports kind years. so the of from X seen in it's we've Brazil Brazil volumes we've that And from the into of

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Nathan Jorgensen

terms at, continue will people people and where of think at, where look are kind volumes. the both think reward I I risk the equation, in price of channel's to and at on

about think as what are to they're well on as index the people going I belief demand kind thinking and as marketplace. look risk their is kind in of I of kind levels expected you at it, of where largely, it's think, pricing how to

a feels normalcy period the time. it me, For been of there's in there's than for conversation more

the seasonality. of even Mike think I kind to spoke

seeing think material today we're of it's in elements better of view And services a than and of that. years. also number access think there's to been I that a is I kind

really go in to needing today. so, just exists that long And inventory, thesis terms on of

And sure, side things equation are pricing so that and correct. to staying again, short, on the on make risk/reward people both demand is of the again,

here they on me, more the other their question point data for sheets, can because maybe terms channel Maybe a can. in balance take not is of whether customers it's the in of

auto and the services so, I and good in I again, and It's up in price. environment Cascade managing providing. today well demand presence terms being we're people conservative, simply that's And terms how are a again, the they're of Boise think spot. in And warehouse describes what of think that. I rightly on think for support showing everyone's that

Operator

queue. no would in further back turn I showing to closing the questions now for I'm like to Nate remarks. the call

Nathan Jorgensen

Great.

well. be Please So safe be Thank thank supporting you. this thank We and for update, morning Cascade. our you joining interest your and Boise us appreciate for continued you. in everyone

Operator

call. Ladies and participation. Thank you for conference today's your gentlemen, concludes this

disconnect. now may You

Boise Cascade (BCC) 22 Feb 232022 Q4 Earnings call transcript