Calix (CALX) 26 Jan 232022 Q4 Earnings call transcript

Company Profile

Participants

Jim Fanucchi	Vice President, Investor Relations
Michael Weening	President and Chief Executive Officer
Cory Sindelar	Chief Financial Officer
Carl Russo	Chairman
Ryan Koontz	Needham & Company
George Notter	Jefferies
Paul Silverstein	Cowen and Company
Michael Genovese	Rosenblatt Securities
Greg Mesniaeff	WestPark Capital
Fahad Najam	Loop Capital
Tim Savageaux	Northland Capital Markets
George Notter	Jefferies

Call transcript

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Operator

Greetings everyone and welcome to the Calix Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the brief prepared remarks. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Jim Fanucchi, Vice President of Investor Relations. ahead. go please Sir,

Jim Fanucchi

Financial and quarter everyone. on XXXX President Weening; we Paul, Carl and joining Russo. the you our have Chief Michael CEO, fourth earnings and Cory good you Sindelar; Thank Chairman, morning for call Officer, Thank call. Today

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could and Factors SEC. to stockholders are fourth to letter cause differ assumes and the forward-looking reports obligation any quarter speak which Calix of statements, as their XXXX filed in respective materially no trends set quarterly with forth to the update the that only annual in results and actual dates.

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Michael Weening

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quarter, XXX started XX% with fourth leveraging of the EDGE BSPs or the number As of their BSPs year ended by We the EDGE, with Intelligent Access Revenue journey us both. the platform year-on-year. increased

as platforms and sequentially In XX% addition, fourth million more quarter, up and in RPOs year-on-year, to the services their BSPs transform XX% leveraged managed Calix XXX were business.

Our platform bookings platform of completing and more our total to than company. thereby were fourth our in a transformation managed quarter, XX% services bookings

to our capabilities new we of [BSP platform our will transform is enabling that [ph]. help platform and cadence their innovation about offerings. talk managed will transformation complete, XX no talk the customers is through about days, our longer of how Instead, BSP based this As Calix delivers power team business Every the we service metric. succeed]

Cory? it Before to over for on I'd to I my thoughts turn share like XXXX, Cory commentary. additional

Cory Sindelar

Michael. you, Thank

inventory guidance time, [ph] our churn remained [we X%. which inventory us outperformed deliver at to built] to On X.X, million of at supply the range above $X third million same range. of our front, $XXX X% both gross margin, the again, relative Calix incremental guidance inventory within At allowing revenue the quarter of team to XX.X% slightly of the an

These areas decomits extraordinary times challenging While markets components in in surprises. still secondary some effort. and improving happen, remain and require is remain supply chain the extended, areas, environment in result the sourcing unpredictable the

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also expansion. XXX points basis We basis margin points gross reiterate to of XXX

profit. operating breaking evolve our XX% to revenue grow, services in gross Furthermore, versus modest operating we as XX% sales product operating to of going longer expense product and profit are and managed will services we continue to model. of R&D increase XX% gross changes Remember, are no XX%. to and making forward. marketing to and platform expense will we range of up expenses gross profit from The be XX% XX% revenue, our

financial expenses G&A of decrease and to revenue in to of And operating address disruption Calix X% leading will this from to model. we is X% target the revenue. occurring industry communication to wholesomely plan invest the the opportunity,

Michael. Back to you,

Michael Weening

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enabling number into their is over providers portfolio and provider. to and the committed beat our to service a investment dominate mission. billion company our to growing broadband has in years managed market platform XX of legacy and services dollars remain of that Calix the growing enabled We a uniquely be

on customers and growing support of portfolio continued subscriber impact positive their BSP expansion, growth excite simplify based which community an of ever revenue interest improved consistently to a thank enable To for and they delivering the their levels managed Calix. new their serve. our efficiency, delivers We their subscribers business, everyone services, grow and of growing profitability, through business, operational

open call let's questions. the Paul, for

Operator

you. [Operator Instructions] you. Thank Thank

Our Koontz Please question. Company. first with Ryan from question Needham proceed is your & with

Ryan Koontz

in you would expand Is your duration, any on saw RPO at if much customer surge impressive QX? morning. be I by across kind all contract of color in or Thank helpful? could there your wonder mix that driven segments, Good in change you you.

Michael Weening

growth Cory? As of else we we platforms parcel providers we managed and RPOs across our close as services, adopt they adopt to part more you said, as had contracts. our strong our you'd to add as broadband demand continue and service like see Anything in that and

Cory Sindelar

Yes, right.

to strength the had more with the of think it I do connections. coming off

specific of marketing was it on just was know, extensions. duration product plus, strong cloud some saw also increased new business the our but attendance following contract We connection. out you around coming the over, It activity

Michael Weening

also Yeah. event we successful just like but that, in on is October, in-person later. ran add were virtual ran two over I'll just a that, said, I piece not very the Ryan, connections X,XXX when one we there attendees weeks

So, different those a interest with of doing. over there amount attending in we're events, X,XXX people what huge was

Ryan Koontz

bookings? been seasonally on, kind helpful. in comment order out climate Any if in QX. That's in the times, can of commentary customers Really major far around CapEx and product great. lead. as softness quite there's the this in, us kind customer And investments know for a don't you I there wondered softer of the industry share time a is some as you're general around there at color lead climate booking bookings making all with

Michael Weening

Thanks, Ryan.

see said, and that As the provided as we in good land disclose chart, RPO quarter of expand. or know, our managed land That the bookings letter you time, expand services which by the not the you strong platform can you the do we backlog. and demand and new growth investor into our for first in for insight gives growth was and

Carl Russo

that is cycles perspective, Cory This your customers order [indiscernible] remember your of when way induced in we times. in further pandemic I've the Chair X.X, Michael higher alluded with double advantage from and that was, back sometimes to benefit extending out, folks and I out, to way, conference I lead what what share to it want and the Carl. I Brian. been position these through Calix to order. want multiple highlight we age just this about just they'll advanced [indiscernible] not of because company, ratios of spoke say times which And by book-to-bill will the my the take point time, fact a experienced

people if you it difference in ability take I back strength to not distribution of going example, sort to the you'll dot-com we're you're the that get XXXX] Calix that Calix forecast less same, of and manage demand. the to hear are vendors, same from [ph]. For a And makes going team's is profile [MERS the saw you're have We factors channel, X.X in thing. to X. seeing suspect double than that that platform in Those are the the have bubble and is services our demand anymore. the And what to book-to-bill ordering.

And this question, I will employ that, you no to appreciate that so, is understand I of while sort the animal. longer

Michael is I'll visibility good, services here what managed what demand in enough? said, and strong. is the Cory so, conference, platform Fair simply on the amplify demand to and And about spoke business very the for

Ryan Koontz

Thanks, fair. it. Appreciate that I'll Carl. That's much. very very pass

Operator

Thank you.

Notter from next with Jefferies. Please question. George your is with Our question proceed

George Notter

on Hi very shareholder that services and managed there's much. looking a platform the just at letter focuses was I guys. adoption. chart Thanks and

the it, slide. expand land to refer just you think and I

customer new on but I more side Like forward, like those really So, the is you it of your you you it's the think is about think adding when existing software see do of do the great think more in or do really it the the I growth guess is adoption, when have at look story about all going how predicated new to question you of dynamics? you deepening customers customers? penetration of

Michael Weening

George. Thanks,

and managed down always bar three what And So, that indications adoption, of with out the is, bar we've on doing the second services. third cloud. us chart, gives good we're the stated, of going you as right. the the of levels the it platforms as in the we Starting inception put early is

to think actually identified. in about all it the And your we so, you question, that ways

about customers. with we're keep talked On one quarter more the platforms. XXX adding acquiring our side right? We year, we're in customers. they start of on new it, we generally was or out in, how That Once new

a new broadband they're or DSL existing So, old deploying provider, they're network, right? build-out. a their whether They're maybe old provider, new service doing they're a old if it's they're overbuilding brownfield cable, new technology, service a if

into to transformation orientated business their transform And company their of centers. our then dumb pipe speed to call from they then as a start they clouds the an rolling-out experienced company, embrace start

managed full a marketing third the to then They stage a managed their and So, have is great experience services. organization automation their leads they in going service and and have and which them then operations. ROI, beyond speed they and offering have which transformation,

a every my it's so, we customer. go of them this in Many point are And through is stages that, with model staged scenario. different that at

great of And we So, have wasn't to a you in is example opportunities marketing we [ph]. the we have the for then kinds last transforming places. organization huge managed account, and those] by an give can land incremental opportunity start one expand competitive – start services, we I'll that transforming know, existing a by or huge have Wi-Fi all [of us if a go. And so we can and all you

Carl Russo

three just me on dimensions. I George. in look that let add to at And that

So, first customers. dimension adding is

adding dimension is subscribers. Second

their networks, then networks adding they grow as on new top. evolve their applications and So, and

a and as point come grow subscriber question the that they continue and to the customers out long new they subscribers your time. platforms. still of additional very could directly, and Most going their base is stop for to your to So, to of additional add And grow we growth take. landing

George Notter

you targets something relative that's about little the in anything see change some model. a one kind for helpful. one Is previously? That's that company those you're cost you the of of just different seeing it the or talk your there the change now? target on of profitability to guys bit fundamentally undershooting then about recognition you're And noticed right Is side you making Got more been, Cory. a business? ultimate it. have why other the I Could that you

Cory Sindelar

invest a It’s model, side, started the more of more adding and additional of function sales business Yes, to Remember, the will software the in marketing as George. right. right. we business we evolving mix,

software gross So, marketing model, higher over sales going is is think about be you're will marketing mature on offset the today. you side increase the by get time, I'll that to where be than But if and and it higher margins. at sales a

contribution. what affect going there So, you're up software we're to, to, took seeing that is, we greater they any range could

three last percent. time, XX% for grown same that the now that for a we've our underrun G&A you've by too the about consistently years, is that and At high, we've model seen

So, all the to reflecting we're of that And market] the reflect sense, we've synergies to [sell G&A the at size software model and that doing George. realities achieved. makes lowering the the to is That up the the we're of where business really the moving [ph] contribution.

George Notter

it. very Got Appreciate Thanks much it. guys.

Operator

Our question your is with Paul Please and proceed [Operator next Instructions] Company. Silverstein with question. Cowen from

Paul Silverstein

to us is, total services, I the what's the Thank the time [XXX] that count you. it platform Can remind managed now adopted now? relative think X,XXX you gave was plus, you customer last [ph]

Michael Weening

in Paul. [Indiscernible]. see that You'll the XXXX, approaching XX-K we're

Paul Silverstein

almost of [breadth of terms it's XX% penetration [ph]. So, in data]

Michael Weening

or wait, Starting it look more. look the We We it. right. Starting platform one [ph]. journey. That's platform XX% all. Oh at [period] at of That's platform right. it's penetration a

or Intelligent EDGE, have could they the EDGE both. Revenue that means that the So Access

Paul Silverstein

Understood.

the question, disclosed give next sense which or clouds, a already can clouds? for adopted at us or have previously my X from who that standpoint, one those I if the is, or for bulk third look was some depth had what cloud customers already of at penetration you XX a of XXX anticipating the more – You're X added clouds, adoption many or adopted second when those how incremental X

Michael Weening

clouds. Yeah. at bulk those of X The are not

And so, on but further we that are not any providing granularity Paul.

Paul Silverstein

launched [ph]. It customers you ads one year you start insight the progress [indiscernible] this with or you as opposed for us are progression has and been what in on assume help] to as time. X recognize going X X cloud the help the past sense I Can to just then been qualitatively? [good case, progression? over with Any what's was qualitative I most give average?

Michael Weening

don't of their of the and depending is the We then like happens one transformation right. deployment, They you're the start Well, – always cycle we majority with cloud. that with time cloud. start what one their And again. on

they with support start say cloud. out let's So,

is center So, parcel do transformation of you're a transforming of and a center call company, you that you take a what call day. if and traditional network part very every

and you go need next then OpEx. you're looking cloud model? based it it to a actually marketing drives understand And is going then or massive operational reduction to the you're after into goes deploy do cloud from going the speed because And one, which transform away go-to-market operations for efficiencies you're the in to

depends. just So, it really

go and length site deployment right. of before qualitatively, you're on It depends the So, the the they to [indiscernible].

Carl Russo

I'm addition frankly you, of that And the simply [indiscernible] your metric, and Paul, didn't from new of the lungs by snaps you this is weren't Carl. like, chart. this I amazed to overwhelmed this have literally, the oxygen

Paul Silverstein

oxygen passed just You the organs, my Carl. from

or I often. any Ryan my constraints [indiscernible] economy, a he are from and perspective, to least worries about the going days, the any get labor increase what's understandably I not in more more interest the did, you of if macro asked are cutbacks, apologies. So, but projects don't investment already climate, rates course, interest seeing XX latter, in current community think a going every forward? rates, asked of improvement? deployments you need in this, But seeing the environment, know any in macro on once Given due etcetera, if on but the ongoing projects, sign the project layoffs, delays, pullback BSP complex improvement you whether constraints, of at

Carl Russo

have they leaders and many can economy differences with very rates to disruption, eloquently the question, the our Paul. market more Yes, I good that, it. obviously a the I what's actually as highlights speak moved. answer but about Michael me relationships interest of in interesting it is, rather general the segment the and And think has many, think than it's And in

Michael Weening

Yeah.

you're buyer] ROI [ph], low opportunity if the rates create a running your is stop an interest Paul, buyer cost business, so you opportunity case, above business investing. [cost So

If the you you'll even go is have rates a while up. bar interest invest and high to lower, ROI business when model continue

they're ROI. speed So, slide enable and like service really subscribers now Calix and dramatically to competes uses The to served and a provider. which infrastructure provider terms drive BSP promoter that net on higher I'll legacy player. a Where only an just uses price, the score, them [indiscernible]

because rates these happen, So, the is bar. it ROI interest way is when irrelevant they're over

of So, market. that's we're the kind seeing how

Carl Russo

potentially that recession our on are What from whatever? And or asked labor you customers? about layoffs the side from seeing Paul a there jobs

Michael Weening

recession regards point, still Well, to strong. [job with actually adds] the so this are at [ph]

adds if – – look job Cory, before our you if a they So, for adds] the for back, I I United I'm XXX,XXX. me correct think [job wrong, if in were December, month [ph] but in States XXX,XXX,

while general hear follow in So, we States. a this actually opposite completely it's the the market tax, across who people United scenario noise for

day still all. can hiring, that real see to I hiring, and to into translate $XX really go of up full I at hour, hiring get, signs the they're market in $XX know markets it offering into bring and the doesn't When labor you an

Carl Russo

[unemployment] still for our labor does So, customers, [ph]? in a constraint

Michael Weening

Yes.

So, the CEOs now of constraint. all I bunch a just remains a had same and said a conference labor thing and with they said

Paul Silverstein

All right.

on, carrier of being the independent delays your I your understand this by fact, pass therefore question, a activity. carriers ROI pullback, you about less about activity, you make seeing it of but and simple before I just challenge, comment just heard clarify if any deployments? deployment ask and to project you higher previous I your that point Before I've are any could comment

Michael Weening

providers? service No. Any Calix broadband

Paul Silverstein

I'll on. Thank pass Okay. it it. you. Appreciate

Operator

Thank you.

Our your Rosenblatt with Securities. with is next question Genovese from Please question. Michael proceed

Michael Genovese

have results. want you some weeks noticed a of guess, it I said conference quarter, there the Great. that you the in about comments of the we in couple were, know Thanks. decommits I the think hadn't the and chain at wouldn't talk if the to I conference, made supply in that ago

versus the in environment kind supply you for about forward going bit what then a the quarter's last do quarters? So, of talk chain, the decommits, could this in few more and the you quarter's next decommits little expect changes

Michael Weening

Yes. Thanks, Mike.

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ago. it And environment so I but if a those better to a was will year work to go than year-over-year, through, things it's continue were supply

Michael Genovese

than And was I sort improvement if in mean, guess makes with and ago, that year? you be, quarter just in later out my it's sequentially sense? are better XXXX forth throughout this so year the potential I if that Or to the earlier a do question, could tougher to it than is, follow-up braced that our expect of improvement question lumping and the through be you quarter, the year in for back smooth

Michael Weening

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to going So, at in saying, sitting can't can X% were you that to grow what's XX%. XX%. here only year I going happen revenue you back we're We're look future. forecasting of if growth the I tell today to tell a But we you ago,

inventory seeing up We're built ratio You're year-over-year. we've a of that sitting X. here at turns

we continue So, lot past. and manage do still but will the supplier happen challenging very it to today, and to in understand are environment we where feel about better have we you it's have we through a like a yet surprises

Michael Genovese

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Carl Russo

to take this leading Calix me but the the they Michael this It's that Carl. I'm new share still excited the by quickly. at graph, let real excited in leadership chose Mike, and Cory with room. show. on change I'm I'm

right, so, interest no you're to encouraging. personal directionally, closer. clear, in competition something still you're And remember, getting that have But is be I

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counts, are Subscriber that future. our of way nature in off ARRs, things

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Michael Genovese

a the lot. questions. absolutely. Thanks. Thanks execution. And Yes, Appreciate nice

Operator

from Instructions] Our with question. Greg Please is with question Mesniaeff your proceed Capital. [Operator WestPark next

Greg Mesniaeff

thank Question Yes, on you. levels. sales marketing and

my addressed on the up was words, you requiring letter. with In in most guidance Thanks. that partially raising with Xs more higher a question sales because marketing sales and significantly and Tier your that increase You've correlate the the targeting marketing? resources? does that. other lot breakdown notice customer now that X and How that's are Tier did in is I your

Michael Weening

what to in them, has X platforms marketing. and doesn't but focused no software. it correlation regards It's require we're on in actually just incremental with all. that Actually, what's at doing attracting Tier No. still That's

So, there's no correlation.

Greg Mesniaeff

you. right Thanks. That's have all Got now. I

Michael Weening

Greg. Thanks,

Operator

you. Thank

next is your from with proceed Capital. Fahad Our Najam question question. with Loop Please

Fahad Najam

narrowing your my of yet back look supply the taking to of supply at you QX improving. beat beat had about consensus want versus If morning. commentary I in question. I is, you in had the Good for chain you QX, the level Thank chain you know, level to comments. versus that go it's the

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Michael Weening

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Fahad Najam

give Got it. how disclosure, your be If opportunity. revisit give your of us I that on three your of other service? what providers, transactionally onto disclosed broadband thinking that have subscribers versus new that to service just serve portion sense sense, us providers you give are, your but penetration cloud I hints your about subscriber percentage some a they on you how and adopted mentioned Can one you have dimensions a service will or who should can there's have know a they be One many maybe you within as is of the we those adopting us know, your number who the you subscribers helpful there cloud the those platform? enrolled

Michael Weening

Yes.

look think with as to, platform, ways into their at of kinds [indiscernible], it's early go-to-market regards number, more you there that on also, when and different at about demonstrated I to XXX right? suites look models [indiscernible] in into an suites, think stated you as are this. their So, different So, we've included there, embedded subscribers. have if there's is days, the they the we've But the penetration they all more frequently,

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another managed in to currently for that available seven on the and them of As them. top we've deploy announced there's letter, we've are mentioned services four

of opportunity lots it's ahead, but still early Fahad. days, So,

Fahad Najam

Thank answer. the Appreciate you.

Operator

next proceed Our question with Instructions] your question. Savageaux [Operator Markets. with is Northland Please Tim from Capital

Tim Savageaux

you terms range given ones, about, Hi, least with at and guess, platform of of kind high indicators new big you've level. I some of adoption. of adoption, the ones if here those in is kind growth growing, XX%, platform My appear morning. the us to the good a question XX% at kind take And be in metrics,

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So, do we guess, say at growth the you rate we how two you XX% overall those your where of the the delta and to do speaking which to I'll the would relative company up to reconcile look overall two growth terms metrics, leave more of also it conservative one Looks metrics. I end and is those relative XX% important as in and rate? to future to there. pretty

Michael Weening

mentioned of range Complex that Tim. we're range were said, question. Thanks, and XX% say Okay. I XXXX. would into Cory confident that look as we at top now XX% in to the of we the that

[ph] point in industry have I opening So, at that's commoditization quickly of a that's leads that need inflection legacy the they With my the indicator. which one they're fact and in the to of really stated realizing remarks their in because that that focused we service corner] who who minded where to opportunity, have we're think differentiate. a market, pretty clear [ph] product this providers go all to it is on and really future regards are [speed] future to these the [coffin that's why been I

And so, at more. potential providers base, service of see, that or or have they're who to looking you And So, right? managed small X,XXX one number there's there's XXX us. a to deployed have that is one up only can more which services, as the our,

we're growth way future with say possible. So, best That's just the what's of beginning I to the the at would rate, state it.

Tim Savageaux

Great. Thanks much. very

Operator

Thank you.

Jefferies. your question. proceed from Please Notter Our with George next question with is

George Notter

ask Thanks guys. I a wanted guess, lot about here. rate. to letting I Hi, for follow-up the me tax

to on relative changed are down. rate. I picture talk you long-term your deferred prior of So, guys DTAs about, If look you a just I taxes also at not tax tax the some noticed that can bit sort going quarters, the assets model forward? on going

Michael Weening

Sure, I Yeah. go I'm to this ahead. doing that. but do early, George. believe it can't Happy

back adding has tax deferred some some DTAs talked stock to through assets that that it, compensation on benefit realized quarter. a continue do the we keeps about. those quarter fourth you to And was of saw that tax R&D So, I’ve to the in in with and credits generate but what was that largely

[guilty] As to a foreign our up our some far and is are as the to level rate with before, of going that, Obviously, and going fixed this referred and income that's based of relative rate. couple on peace relatively growth things forward, way happening. was I a think the and operations I of [ph]

that the year. by expect rate to should down effective you X%, So, bring relative down come seen us to unless you've last

George Notter

you could And parts operations, the also the still invest with or other or North then of of starting looking about business into Europe more you the growing? catalyst you for very what's opportunity your much. the company side UK world? and is there products aggressively the getting Are mentioned platforms foreign Thank talk you centric, to American cloud the that very obviously

Cory Sindelar

let George, about it we're just to teams I talk Yes, carry me was expansion. revenue operations, really development China Michael for what on India. said the our foreign international I'll do When looking But clarify. over and offshore side in to

Michael Weening

opportunity America Yes, on ahead. focus a been because we've George, the really North there's significant clear that such

until from in much in are North see future. you're international to in that there's [indiscernible] the to limited. consistently us we foreseeable so opportunity running into other markets reached full where us And America, full making reason ahead. of the primarily be that for will And opportunity Kingdom, the are going we While limited have go is it a a market, why the expansion United we our

George Notter

guys. Thanks it. Got

Operator

you. Thank

question with with next Paul Please and Company. is from Our proceed your question. Cowen Silverstein

Paul Silverstein

to appreciate and appreciate would there guys pursued. and Tim's chain I I And Appreciate you us of although promised that slower [indiscernible] a supply is again as lot you risk that investment you lot question, And enable have of with are it. To to still that like back go like. is challenging. on I the folks are that risks not a always that return would appreciate pullbacks, said us than response, CapEx Michael’s your again disbursements

the with wrong being said, chain will the your you Volume of there depth said, into increase supply over will adoption, time? that progress as based is I'm logic pretty as equal, directionally Shouldn't breadth having all community and server appreciates revenue the well but So, acceleration the all overlap conservative applications. and be of that I translate all all of time, that there things that investment will disbursement over and clouds historically, being anything said, sure will improve? been all in adoption,

Michael Weening

to out years let's saying XX In confidence to the future, we're is were [DC] and clear Cory or his [ph] a is and yes. year look on, point that Maybe, Cory with step at came know, was you commentary X back if the ago, two back said, in pretty XX XX, now you we that XX%.

to think And we organically. an We're to so, a is thing us milestone. I XXXX key look incredible that right at going and cross dollars billion we're the into for be going

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continued Paul, executing we're predictability what those you, by giving that things. against is So, all

the leadership in what feel future we this is maybe, So, confident but as team.

Paul Silverstein

the upside accelerate, equal, all meaningfully, improve be that to the if does or there's in did XX% would the unless if that's supply just factor embedded Michael, XX%? disbursement But other things chain clear, some substance being of present

Michael Weening

the with affiliated when – for that growth and variables XX% our actually the one we if that's a is we at comfortable rate that's what feel what with investors. We we as we is feel determine different all predictable do it,

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should confidence. that be indicator an So, of

Cory Sindelar

mathematical know, Yes, proof. I sort like and I if, a think your of Yes. mean, you [indiscernible], if it's

assumptions this we've – opportunity. If as huge is [may [ph], you guess] and we a this take multi-generational said, think

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Paul Silverstein

[Multiple though for So, one that give multiple thing but funding, know expand you you you've on [indiscernible], through No, say, right? can Speakers]. been government example,

Cory Sindelar

the Michael have ifs. this know here the in you The ifs. of Well, are, lot you challenges And this predicting problem is agree stimulus over gray actually, I a is XXXX? remember all the looking with seeing Paul, too of on hair and I hair. broadband and some gray because you

just hard. goal So, a to team predicting with the the horizon this that the in is opportunity, big but is it knowing too is planning execute here

Paul Silverstein

me, Cory. [indiscernible] disbursements, in for single in but… conservatism, What's not acceleration to and that. the I it stating say not translate obvious. components terrible labor a the but and the if I constraints, to acceleration meaningful whole about to wants industry. It's that just really appreciate like the not seems that there's you, it's I'm so for it that. but that has should all, logic, improvement appreciate for

Cory Sindelar

second, realism. minute. challenge Well, matter whole speak this a of the is if a industry. the which agree. you that's a matter happen, conjugating conservatism. I not the wait way does I not not theorem, that industry. whole – that through the the and of been It's a I've are The It's is, It's Wait it's actually before. to sir. can't

not been You've And being this before. through it's conservative.

off other just labor of to way. or standing a you’re getting deployments the the then start These then They to through front until get better do. you and to demand, predicting through see And happen them, programs issues. you simply orders don't and that constraint actual them, got of never coin the revenue in waiting

to simply in sequence say, So, It's not realistic. so steps literally sure, there go are many yes, if the being that yes, but and being end you conservative. it's that

Paul Silverstein

distinction. the appreciate I Understood.

Cory Sindelar

Okay.

Operator

Thank you.

Our next question question. with is Capital. from with proceed Please Fahad Najam Loop your

Fahad Najam

you me. to getting back Hey. for Thank

– for expectations previous you year I currently this from give your sense a follow-up RDOF? how What's where your is on then of a base follow-up. from So, discussion, us coming much can your revenue have your on And stimulus funding?

Michael Weening

that. Sure. I'll take

think understand had the money over folks. with roll-out money pretty is we coming has some some of challenges last So, consistent program that we've comes that been today, seeing with did There told it. We timeframe. but through, year. money a what start That XX-year I I

a small today. are just we lot of revenue come] seeing This in of it's is front it, amounts a more that So, you [to [ph]. know,

Fahad Najam

outlook historically, [ph] I'm the think the previous supplier if funds you [comm – XX% that true? but ended still base. me to equipment] Is in I mistaken, XX% of like, has been, up Correct your

Michael Weening

Yes.

Fahad Najam

Okay.

question you're clearly to has to to model Rule little you XX look if that model not my to box getting more that it close you're long-term evolved is, tracking. your the almost a with framework I begin tracking peers almost a of Rule the is where and corner are point which So, as a still companies? to, around a framework consistent of Why XX will convey current of that opposed suffer is ship to type bit using,

Michael Weening

at Rules set a offline conversation the XX, of etcetera. XX I have Fahad, it. because not that's of reality beliefs. of looking I'll and different a much the – I'm one longer whole on of and We're the the that take market Rule

another one that here, with rather my find bore offline So, lectures. take with [indiscernible] of one you. than I'll everybody that

Fahad Najam

Appreciate it. Alright.

Looking forward it. to

Michael Weening

that Thank compliment. you for

Operator

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Jim Fanucchi

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