LendingTree (TREE) 25 Jul 192019 Q2 Earnings call transcript

Company Profile

Participants

Trent Ziegler	Head, IR and Treasurer
Douglas R. Lebda	Founder, Chairman, and CEO
J. D. Moriarty	CFO
Mark Mahaney	RBC Capital Markets
Youssef Squali	SunTrust Robinson Humphrey
Jed Kelly	Oppenheimer & Co.
John Campbell	Stephens, Inc
Eric Wasserstrom	UBS
Mayank Tandon	Needham & Company
Chris Gamaitoni	Compass Point Research
Stephen Sheldon	William Blair
Nathaniel Schindler	Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Kunal Madhukar	Deutsche Bank
Hamed Khorsand	BWS Financial
James Friedman	Susquehanna
Robert Wildhack	Autonomous Research

Call transcript

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Operator

Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the LendingTree Inc Second Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions].

As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. to conference like host to now Mr. would turn over the your I of Treasurer. Relations Ziegler, Investor Trent Head and Please go ahead sir.

Trent Ziegler

XXXX discuss Great, thanks for second joined to phone Chief by Lebda Chairman Officer, on everyone I and quarter here LendingTree's CEO, today operator and joining J.D. thanks this Moriarty. to financial am results. and Doug the Financial morning

may expectations, everyone Before results I quarter's or walk through that today's future handing during the performance. the plans, call over to discuss call, for forecasts we to outlooks, J.D. remind LendingTree's to want

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J. D. Moriarty

this joining for impact our how outlook a the morning. QX the half results Thanks both in year. first of thanks to financials, our to for walk Trent and second everyone I take and minutes will this few through strategic half decisions the

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Douglas R. Lebda

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Operator

Instructions]. [Operator

Your of RBC Markets. first line Mark Capital question the Mahaney comes from with

Mark Mahaney

seems Great, areas I there's non-mortgage you of in fell if down sequentially. call could you know thanks. drill if segment elements Two on please bit just a there, little other the different out there? well, could a a lot about what that be growth rate? growth dynamics growing And on revenue you're the really of Thanks to just seeing that in secondly the then lot. talk insurance sustainability

J. D. Moriarty

equity. are be category to that of those businesses getting rate dropped QX lots on is in opportunities very increasingly negative start getting that margin on are first so other talked lenders bucket volume consequence and basically question we of have are bit I'll organic a there simply and businesses is and are one rates absolutely which those refinance the us that focused actually other for right, in as high about you're is in home this the in the J.D. tend equity equity home quarter. that some with and we've of that have but lagged And two there is it home started strength environment Mark Absolutely,

can us. lenders Similarly -- what's XXXX, for happened deposits as as an you are the know you given for middle story in been deposits our year. we not to clamoring imagine But acquired exactly banks of exceptional which this rates deposits it's business

well. did as in things are category in have businesses two had those doing not that fast there other QX. clearly those So contribute margins. that it to But growing businesses are QX in And other great as there

doing QX. two well Our small drag but did business is certainly those offering instance exceptionally aggregate for in on

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in So there's insurance. I don't particular if know any

Douglas R. Lebda

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Mark Mahaney

Thanks J.D. Doug, thanks

Operator

comes the next Youssef from Squali Your line with SunTrust. question of

Youssef Squali

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Douglas R. Lebda

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J. D. Moriarty

question So clearly aggregate. QX. quarter you Youssef bit -- year-on-year remember second about for first a is don't we come you XX% Personal revenue is now. card. little We core, XX%, let and down with that obviously if me challenging it some that with scale you're on the parts loans because Mark's that I and mortgage year down on is there, the quarter is in at to considerably in up your so that small was have things services neglected up XX% up that in other That's the disclose business recognize mortgage it quarter because noisy that's That when XX% and question out going But getting piece answering in business credit card market end is of it business that's you down down mention to that was other year-on-year. what's ones. talked the dragging reverse, the a is other. Credit like there organic, just of give looking XX%, last relative -- can

XXX it's other healthy a we're of from perspective to something just of not out to other a spending as last represented a now. that's XX% you try right But get marketing to not so in QX time end And revenue, comparison when Mark it's market year so our a lot on of of today. last pointed year-over-year year million our million XXX in XX%

each home equity the compressed in of as of end markets. and rate not nothing understandable percent we fairing talked in reverse environment. we're this has other deposit that fairly about there's So particularly what because well partially about total this concerned It's a of

Douglas R. Lebda

didn't that organic free. while And remarks get if organic all that all in like. mentioned the XX% a customers I we quarter and organic as prepared repeat obviously obviously was One is traffic up that front -- for and number you you grew can repeat my would that on business the we we follow disclose is

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Youssef Squali

okay. Yeah,

you so Sounds you. good. to Thanks much. Thank

Operator

Your Kelly next question line comes of from Oppenheimer. with Jed the

Jed Kelly

Great, taking question. thanks for my

how competitive say products to back margins, and of can a sort period? with by Just being how down driven an some it and you of personal into are going much increasing is just much loans, is then break that longer much it the business you in of marketing are payback on sort how these environment, it initiatives like buckets would

J. D. Moriarty

is it Jed start J.D. there. I'll Sure,

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We are there. competition more definitely seeing

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is longer-term customers out platform the strategy, repeat and -- points right Doug personal our business customers. most that is that integrated with getting as getting aligned new Now loans of

continue overall. So marketing and that on to we're our pull into core we're the not because going to going its back strategy to lean to

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Jed Kelly

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J. D. Moriarty

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Douglas R. Lebda

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long the for answer. Sorry

Jed Kelly

Thank No, that great. you. was

Operator

question line from with Campbell next Your comes of Stephens. John the

John Campbell

good morning. Hey,

Douglas R. Lebda

John, morning. Hey good

John Campbell

like J.D. so voluntary mostly of driven and your in Hey, a is coming margin it pressure term it sounds by that to me lot is spin

this understand kind some provided pretty of per to with just you think some brands wanted better color the around moving softer spend. good the I I but parts spend channel

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Douglas R. Lebda

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J. D. Moriarty

a X.X million the it on on of spend was of brand total which TV. and X.X John was offline

the that's there. so Okay, breakdown

obviously year that's we than where higher considerably were a Now ago.

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as growing to so into year. there as signs that long back is organic than our in we're and to lean of strategy that's and great strength customers we're continue repeat the core faster in And our June seeing new to that of the half going obviously

John Campbell

LendingTree on, add vernacular want just XX% revenue, is sure lending I Sounds I make Doug I of and everything of quick My outside lending good to insurance? one just mentioned just understand here, the think you then revenue basically little

Douglas R. Lebda

Yes, yes.

John Campbell

guys. Okay, great. Thanks

Operator

UBS. of comes Wasserstrom Your line Eric the next question from with

Eric Wasserstrom

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J. D. Moriarty

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Eric Wasserstrom

about sort that's of have margin? but stepping terms profitability guys over time over a accelerated you realize that's may to then benefits back, does just the EBITDA longer-term follow-up -- through marketing run longer-term change have sort of anything margins of just compressing expectation Great, if of the and rate I one often horizon occurring LendingTree now your of now articulated in occurring concept anything is this

Douglas R. Lebda

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J. D. Moriarty

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Douglas R. Lebda

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Eric Wasserstrom

very much. thanks Great,

Operator

line the with next question Your and of from Tandon Mayank comes Company. Needham

Mayank Tandon

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J. D. Moriarty

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Douglas R. Lebda

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Mayank Tandon

Great, helpful for details. the Thanks very that's color.

Operator

Compass with the of next Point Your from line comes question Chris Gamaitoni Research.

Chris Gamaitoni

Thanks for taking call. my

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J. D. Moriarty

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Douglas R. Lebda

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Chris Gamaitoni

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Douglas R. Lebda

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Chris Gamaitoni

so That's you super helpful, thank much.

Operator

Your Sheldon comes from line next Blair. Stephen of question William with the

Stephen Sheldon

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J. D. Moriarty

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Douglas R. Lebda

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Stephen Sheldon

insurance I'm context there of that's some demand leads level know in have obviously helpful. Got you mostly on would and the you been gave in with forms, color that type the earlier, paying earlier And asking for the I notable of convert of there's trends between guess and great it, calls this change leads? then been in participants in of that I curious quarter insurance be able convert that clicks, likely versus most was are the if to final kind and consumers sophistication their to any up

J. D. Moriarty

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Stephen Sheldon

thank you. Great,

Operator

your line is if line mute next of unmute on Nat America. line. from Schindler the you are question Nat your Your please of Bank with comes open

Nathaniel Schindler

that. about Sorry

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Douglas R. Lebda

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J. D. Moriarty

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Douglas R. Lebda

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J. D. Moriarty

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Douglas R. Lebda

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J. D. Moriarty

think Well, to is there of which think function into necessarily in of a the is personal rate loans going thing. there's more multi-year what loans the obviously of a banks I competition shift in stepping through marketplace correlated this is personal we're and I directly year. more wouldn't

Douglas R. Lebda

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Nathaniel Schindler

Great, thank you.

J. D. Moriarty

Thanks Nat.

Operator

comes Deutsche Your Kunal the from line Bank. question next of Madhukar with

Kunal Madhukar

LendingTree I and Hey, a Tinder. My to thanks one great for to and related to my taking Match question. could, if analogy Couple

see like and of demographics into out so the terms kind groups, LendingTree of do of LendingTree is in of subprime by by how also like in large, you does of base My the age. what age and In the prime, how base, age My break terms terms

Douglas R. Lebda

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J. D. Moriarty

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Kunal Madhukar

digital then are follow-up what strategy away marketing demographic you, like thinking going about forward? social and look the and you spend into Great, marketing skews your you is given and more and of and have kind at TV like as from how the especially younger

Douglas R. Lebda

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Kunal Madhukar

Okay, you. thank

Operator

next Hamed line Khorsand question with the Your of comes from BWS.

Hamed Khorsand

Hey, good question. thanks morning, taking my for

Just three quick questions here for you.

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Douglas R. Lebda

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J. D. Moriarty

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Hamed Khorsand

Thank much. you very

J. D. Moriarty

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Operator

with Susquehanna. line the from next Friedman Jamie comes Your of question

James Friedman

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Douglas R. Lebda

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J. D. Moriarty

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James Friedman

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J. D. Moriarty

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James Friedman

color guys. Got it, the thanks for okay,

Operator

line the from Autonomous comes question Rob with of next your And Research. Wildhack

Robert Wildhack

strategy. the J.D. on guys. back to morning Good discussion I wanted go to the marketing

over how target? months, hurdle profitability the As expand a borrowers you much that immediate from kind of you're of to base does consumers few shift or profitability the to that willing

Douglas R. Lebda

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J. D. Moriarty

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Douglas R. Lebda

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Robert Wildhack

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Robert Wildhack

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Operator

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Douglas R. Lebda

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Operator

may Ladies and you for call. you this gentlemen today's Thank concludes and your now conference participation disconnect.

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