NRZ - Earnings call transcript Q4 2017

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Operator

Good morning. My name is Darla, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I’d like to welcome everyone to the New Residential Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2017 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. you. Thank Instructions] [Operator like New the Residential. now Mandy over Cheuk, from to will conference turn to I Please ahead. go

Mandy Cheuk

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Michael Nierenberg

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Operator

Levi-Ribner Your first Instructions] B. question is from Jessica with Riley [Operator FBR.

Jessica Levi-Ribner

morning. securitizations and the gotten question. good a purchased for economics little on $XXX call that the Hi rights what of the about Thanks Non-Agencies Can you million my talk taking bit the you've loan and you at?

Michael Nierenberg

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Jessica Levi-Ribner

securitization, Okay. you you do execution the on netted yet? the know And January what

Michael Nierenberg

you the of tell end will the at I quarter.

it You points. X assume should something anywhere from is to X.X

Jessica Levi-Ribner

Okay.

beyond the In of impact the immediate Nationstar this terms morning, we announcement can Ginnies? expect any

Michael Nierenberg

No.

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to go I as forward. be partner So, ours we would anticipate them good continuing a of

Jessica Levi-Ribner

say And one just you mean, you've around a kind - dry that, I Okay. is seeing. today, made acquisition balance that there lot And we on knowing then last kind around of of you're powder can on that of the one tough I horizon? and the environment comments and I have of but opportunities sheet expect? know a lot is anything the that what

Michael Nierenberg

benefit acquisitions for, We or I investments always what that shareholders. strategic will would look strategic call our

the today, mean point at there some we but in lead We we are higher nothing out markets and corn to rates dislocation sit expect looking I there I kind don't to a success markets I at few some when. as I where our specific and years, continue just to the The for can happen everything. is company over markets. rate something will the of the point, know past and would fields will, likely in

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Jessica Levi-Ribner

enough. fair Okay, you. Thank

Michael Nierenberg

Jess. Thanks

Operator

Your is Bose Instructions] from George [Operator with question KBW. next

Eric Hagen

This for Thanks. is on morning. Bose. Good Eric

Michael Nierenberg

Hi Eric.

Eric Hagen

Hi, good morning.

can the said that of the during tell reflects you XQ? call have you quarter us amount the from if me earnings executed but core rates Forgive this, just

Michael Nierenberg

it’s $X.XX. Believe

Eric Hagen

mark-to-market valuation be move $X.XX, great, the would the this given you’ve seen on far rates just the thanks. then that across changes just seen so can you and And interest that us give and in just sense really comment if maybe we’ve MSRs, you year, portfolio a helpful? then could changes for

Michael Nierenberg

Sure.

of $XX MSR full was little up our up quarter, portfolio little $XX fourth was and a the excess under For portfolio our under million, MSR million.

at you $X.XX combination look when So, two it’s those earnings. GAAP of the in

Eric Hagen

just far so Great. can sorry in date, comment Maybe you to XXXX. on quarter

Michael Nierenberg

the MSRs can't comment more seeing I are but of I say to What that banks be quarter are are in we MSRs. some would on date MSR, you buying color. give up the they will the able in to is yet. you cleaner marginally, valuations

to only that continues of course through would first So, expect that you're rise. to continue seeing the throughout and increase quarter, extent to Treasury the valuations but I actually the the not XX-year the year

position the company So, that has our I past the way highlight currently the is a This and how that company. And forward, we’re yes, think $XXX something we’re great MSRs and years, today, out not you done actually a with existing think capital million is over take few positioned job between execute about a but call $XXX amount continue coupled way and frame team of the corelated our our investment the having of in and I around a call our course step the to about and wanted today. $X.X of if back, position a going a portfolios, I liquidity of without billion this ton and and of to to the XXXX reel. $X billion to we billion deploy rights, a strategies on go great, that’s great total

investment an knows, over always things down going back that and saying Jess’ we’re do from pay perspective, a different looking portfolios our everybody as to question, While and time.

in that be to are deploy rush to for capital, as deploy capital going right we we to think to continue now creative we opportunities So, look shareholders. need for but again we’re no

Eric Hagen

Mike. comments the for Thanks Great.

Michael Nierenberg

Thanks.

Operator

of And America. with your Bruce Bank from question is next Ken

Ken Bruce

morning. good Thanks,

Michael Nierenberg

Hi, Ken.

Ken Bruce

Hi. of questions. Couple

quarters surprised always guess guess servicing past from? I size just maybe overall about the of always addressable keep even you? of is kind talked and scope in a you the the surprised how to still first a little large we guess, the I the out coming you of I’m much kind available I little and few quarter, or in, nonagency where talking servicing transactions, the markets have been is righteous in to First, over market as a pulling I’m of

Michael Nierenberg

nonagency the on side? Ken, Specifically,

Ken Bruce

nonagency the side. on Yes,

Michael Nierenberg

with way outstandings. market $XXX probably the third view is, something I rights the I is The probably mortgage call their think way, billion I $XXX you we billion think control, if We this that between general know we mean, banks have think nonagency about a of it up you market. around our as legacy have, that most and of of exposure in servicing rights. cleaned it legacy

around think some continue ability be much that some were a There regulators the I legacy it acquire I PLS banks banks now. because settlements today be out years our nonagency servicing, not agreed the there. ton the there’s to of any, is the foresee settle think that or ago, lower but don't I as some of will think out I of of way some as with legacy going and few the of to a get coming just to to right much the

Ken Bruce

Okay.

more what it’s versus their just they’ve So, holding anything to got else? versus really on bank -

Michael Nierenberg

think I of Yes, a wrapped up it’s in still settlements. bunch

when in - certain banks. there service that of the know are and Shellpoint services approved are regulatory stuff some bodies certain Shellpoint, that of services the improved are servicers able some the there for portfolios different You even by to

they that. and regulators. to are you in would out, those I extent come different able does great grow to think some of portfolios by the be anything of when about are anticipate to a Shellpoint position If being number and So, there folks approved these banks

Ken Bruce

area? and I you’ve in referenced bit, been that the the a is right. squeezed or the servicing have All of And is margins returns one that mean squeeze included nonagency areas

Michael Nierenberg

as clean don't mortgage banks. to our about clean and profile that between want whether something have capital there. of, be of non-performing bid the servicing, less X out X.X Banks homes nonagency customers funds, customer think will but loans kind whether it it a because overall we. banks it call million customers, very be When extremely really abundance residential buy is large mortgage servicing, be less be want to acquire you well in I spreads, do the know, You whether it’s we it loans, just everything

portfolio way perform is, So, extremely it approaching continues our say we the well. okay, we’re that to

should in are environment, MSR higher great. rate We portfolios our a do

in as Our weighted you X% margin coupon squeeze average although do could continue the particularly of call to business front-end. see with rise, should rates better, the

So, we’re very and how be nothing strategic around be to everything to going well deploy interesting we is patient that is But now. here that’s try but bid, capital. there right

Ken Bruce

Right. want catalyst that an stepping And given mentioned to you and you some role New being the active from occur squeezed. be strategic Shellpoint? that as Residential operating to rates you games has anticipate consolidation, you consolidation what the originators that for more up primary market, had in think a how into and I mean, in being just benefits do it do to

Michael Nierenberg

are makes and for there. I believe both a be obviously something intend we parties. great a we I What will bit and of to of consolidation. the think business, sense hard I I business it the and either us, the operating winds years. likely the think very somebody be of is middle mean in it’s part would would When the hard, past or could be operating say I extent been it’s number think is, in that more I that will I of the shifting partner about for do

XXXX to out. know more While that can't to happen, but occur lot truly believe a as gets consolidation the consolidation, going I of you're what’s anticipate will going saying cleaned lot you that don't industry that, a in because see you just

Ken Bruce

you appreciate Okay, comments, Mike. for great. Thank your it

Michael Nierenberg

Ken. Thanks

Operator

Michael remarks. now Nierenberg I like back Thank any to the would turn to call for closing you. over

Michael Nierenberg

Obviously, XXXX a Well, was year. thanks support. all your good for

here. about to are We not highlight

all we to again, we we up Thanks. continue your good forward, support As will look day. we for can and to a put returns great do And appreciate shareholders. have

Operator

Thank earnings quarter full-year residential fourth call. you. new This and conference XXXX concludes

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