NRZ - Earnings call transcript Q2 2018

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Operator

Good morning. My name is Beth and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the New Residential Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. you. Thank Instructions] [Operator may conference. you begin Cheuk, your Mandy

Mandy Cheuk

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Michael Nierenberg

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Operator

[Operator comes Tim the Instructions] line Your of B. first Riley. Hayes, from question

Your line is open.

Tim Hayes

Hey, morning, Thanks my questions. for good Mike. taking

like XXX valuations high? just points, basis wondering The than acquired still which characteristics it if is Are this generally? historical first strategy MSRs the just the one, and that you levels. on higher bit talk above you quarter MSRs returns than attractive the with can marked those And were of about more other assets a a more looks

Michael Nierenberg

interesting are is us would right what are in X.X see I Yes. not would that and while What MSRs X.X MSRs on say flow are frankly I There I MSR from overall we would saying for probably now, multiples. that investments high. call quite conventional call multiples what to valuations anywhere type

today a marked Our overall is multiple. portfolio at X.X MSR

deploy think we strategically capital we'll So over time. what

for other see the environment, a rising and The I call multiples to go provide you're do thing hedge business. up a portfolios would our going say rate MSR in great

a there deployed not market going capital you're So value there. is to good there, ton I but net -net, can MSR we in the think strategy we see some forward going think of unless create

point other The become more thing a financing out to lot efficient. has is MSR

financing. more You're seeing rates, advance higher term

financing very you'll So, the values us. a result look, increase of I to market MSR as look returns to likely continue think good elaborate see still

Tim Hayes

Right, then okay. And the the year. volumes expected new for mentioned penn you

has of challenging mortgage the thought to they'd Just where the be those wondering or been if are at more with than expected? the time acquisition, in line you if agreeing you banking backdrop

Michael Nierenberg

about amount when no on opinion be banking between lot gain very of the time our do a spend on do And now. very is billion. business. mortgage origination job. something you tell penn would There's $X sale I a they're in and I right We something it. business or billion. is The The $X.X new to the difficult. our year who it's look made you partners very, think business money doubt origination with in target of hard they low at great think We billion believe a around year I origination volumes last $X to around did this

other We reasonable origination kind that a some the have P&L But I some products overall prime of rolled have non-agency penn ton of expect new business. wouldn't out our for there. segment created

thing it it does balance some MSRs other provides for The sheet. clean is our

net-net but So of MSRs a anticipate that in of result we mortgage hard is very our continue banking very a business. sale holistic gain over creation time and as activities, low I grow to that would on

Tim Hayes

current may quarter at do potentially market that still be previously see in that upcoming okay. pushed your getting out a or it, securitization expectation with Is you'd or that the Got all? you you expected you And mentioned non-QM to quarter. this this be

Michael Nierenberg

Yes.

one try quarter. to huge. do not to third I think we're this It's quarter, going

hundred take end is now have this collateral. we of again think the fourth think give quarter And early of we it whether couple a I we or collateral. a do likely, more million probably as be they'll at I quarter, acquire if which

Tim Hayes

Shellpoint, platform around get closed deal more you that aggressive then one to And Got or more it, around expect in kind of now okay. that the question servicing both? do you around just platform? is business? you M&A then origination or the gauge to additional focusing how be execute this And just the that appetite your or on side on Would would building

Michael Nierenberg

money makes lot of business, continue value only for if pointed said out Navarro with mean and grow job. shareholders. will brain it Kevin the Jack leads continue to We power. Harrigan great business earlier it Williams we're I sense. We're we along lot a in to going --we to to do want together a as Bruce who try a dedicated there, that collectively I and to resources making I create --we've of

I grow. expect continue to that So would business to

As are assets will for with our in to we what fit and/or that our makes we're be whether things portfolios it think if it companies there trying sense do we relates to that to M&A, acquire partners or continue shareholders.

Tim Hayes

And the me for okay. profitability it, then Got last one call this quarter. what one right just just the on

Michael Nierenberg

I that think give also some overall, our and on we or take execution of have X.X hedges put we collateral. then around our was against fixed-rate

net very business. call the So a it good was for quarter -net

Operator

Your the line next question Bose of George, from KBW. comes

Your line is open.

Bose George

Hey, quarter? there in the about mark. the Can change looked of the Mike. of you was the talk a MSR drivers like this negative It it valuation

Michael Nierenberg

$XX Ocwen some Nick. was some the legacy call I has on MSRs I'll net changed. and adjustment stuff. to million. this to away with positive that up transactions. up model adjustments relates to overall some an around of There's and The where was access --some Essentially turn think expected, And over it just would saw the will do there speeds down talked on what of accounting GAAP quarter. a it than about the Nick HLSS around we then rates Yes. little gain million of as about little number $XX a We I of to from bit higher bit, made our some tweaks our and but accounting was the weren't the

Nick Santoro

Ocwen summary and do of the it has in to to relates It fair the Sure. the amortization transaction value. with

So to you'll the on realized, so we line. as we create the fair income, through that to pulled asset value the into unrealized MSR the do come down, to unrealized begin as see negative flipped from and has gets --

Bose George

Okay.

conceptually -- just of it's that is really I So a markets of fair value more mean the-- it's an mark amortization sort not

Nick Santoro

That's correct.

Bose George

been Okay Altisource. and then the Has terms of with contract in finalized? that

Michael Nierenberg

and that them, with LOI get an extended quarter. We yet. we up to hope this Not wrapped

Bose George

there valuation the that there Are MSR going any could Okay. forward? impact changes

Michael Nierenberg

we're of. not aware that No,

Bose George

okay. material, in terms MSR a earlier just being steep, can you out the just stuff then talk the Nothing you pipeline noted somewhat be And compelling? of pricing about for pipeline there. on there acquisitions, but that could the Is just

Michael Nierenberg

We have have that are quarter. $XX on we now think right I billion get on this to that executed LOIs likely

I very mortgage banking-- themselves and -- a good the asked the about It's mortgage hard. on industry pipelines think Tim gain are sale. banking question

MSRs about I pricing more way We down portfolio, but has we're to to could continue continues capital right So look you're origination for back its Overall make I us. If billion. $XX and there. that you're able bit think interesting XXX that out money as create going thinking in but on the of is pressure to going this of the see some general the at they're to it. not XXX at be the up, and the current When with be for more treasury what mortgage of business. the to frankly going pricing year in you think just on the it's to little morning, pointed quite not quarter-over-quarter system I need some as it's slow that to the XX production, could to about see I less a there's think opportunity, bankers buy

Operator

Your Wedbush. Henry next from question of online Coffey, comes

Your line is open.

Henry Coffey

banking story and to is origination mortgage of value Good hear nice create nice associated that new it component possible There tax MSRs. with advantages to a Is gain that kind it is It's the good or what again. is into grows are that some of going on morning. some quarterly the earnings? real sale and direct penn

Michael Nierenberg

we REIT as less it's are for us right. relevant Henry, Yes,

is the it's company. when really you strategy own new The it very from the for think Shellpoint create good around we for nothing assets business, really create perspective, we just about grow so origination, there's a balance a think us So profitable truly grow sheet is right levels. mortgage there. what are that at our that I And --about tax third-party think

tax I an we there's to because to some business, nothing we There think our stuff decision it's that the in tax not just really good it's a stuff-- and doesn't weigh there all asset, tax the is do but have here. REIT. because REIT not pay operating

Henry Coffey

single looking your a be regional non-QM meaningful What's you business of to couple a business a year And that taking had long billion a prospects banks into time? a nice grow dollars legs. then for seems have get of the did one side a that all lending the the securitization. real at to loan residential of that for into equation? even sort Do We and rental family portfolio that's like of on we non-QM a component that areas could Does it? also growth follow that the

Michael Nierenberg

is for One on I asset $XX the things. side as out the pointed out; quarter. in billion the bid came Couple

the some participate could of is $XX players in bid bit a obviously extremely fact overall the landscape will we and/ by total trillion shareholders. of well market marketplace. would takes call in if be lot number return interesting. residential we for market a returns it give the the Assets a I create banks good the or think of little what or whether which is The we And housing

at that, to be want don't person want yes, against the we'll lending look last the think Now we'll at about to party, when so we don't family it. -- you single look rental, you

looking can in REO our but call you that as a that housing at would at collapse a market. of a point now call what when now. create everything. We look right that's lot about And acquisitions will We'll do own think to I strategy. somebody nothing of look potential continue at result I different stock our bunch that typically We that I to we're things asked there's interesting, but There's deals, before. of these right acquisitions comes

Henry Coffey

a And does out is the business compelling? pop then is just because of the to question general story again. When you what's getting I'm --what kind new survey this

Michael Nierenberg

Good question.

our I portfolio existing I is think -- pointed great.

Henry Coffey

Yes, it's a given, yes, it's obvious.

Michael Nierenberg

look to look our I pretty back the ton look QX QX We're story which remarks, same. is capital gave. --I work at not you there. of to a to I remarks much just when Yes, deploying The

environment is So the just great. not the investment risk return and

the pretty much stuff, for that that. every got to focus business our the same While saying non-agency it that accretive thing. come single call we be we'll diligent be around acquired will day If we'll us. things continue that makes and for be be way. There assets sense now, on it if our which Right do we on to We'll sporadic are our team. MSR

We've in are different consumer the time services some looking ways. We the number financial We're away be good the spending on of sector. side. could and just strategic things our from any growth at I asset investments made side, think

So to not on lot based really, right we plenty now. liquidity we But have There's now. net-net, a that's continue right capital of deployment, really look interesting at everything.

Operator

will for closing to remarks. I call Nierenberg, CEO turn the Michael back now

Michael Nierenberg

call. QX. results the updating support. look rest Thanks forward and Enjoy Appreciate on everyone summer. for the QX of And our joining the to

a have but summer. is Now there time, Thanks. great

Operator

call. This concludes today's conference

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Rithm Capital (RITM) 26 Jul 182018 Q2 Earnings call transcript