GMS - Earnings call transcript Q4 2018

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Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the GMS Inc. Fiscal Fourth Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Lynn Ross, Chief Accounting Officer and Corporate Controller. ahead. go Please

Lynn Ross

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Michael Callahan

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Howard Goforth

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to for let Now turn the over comments. call Mike me back closing some

Michael Callahan

Thanks, Doug.

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Operator

Instructions]. with [Operator Hughes SunTrust. go we'll Keith And first to

Keith Hughes

A couple questions.

about what during -- progression was First, the month each month, roughly volumes could by year-over-year? talk you volume in

Howard Goforth

quarter and May. to Sure, continued so do in Keith. It throughout steadily increased the

Keith Hughes

So is your volume up year-over-year in May?

Michael Callahan

yes. in May, Year-over-year

Keith Hughes

up. is It

Howard Goforth

up a qualify little price volumes were slightly. related. bit, The the of So, actually increase is majority no, just to that

Keith Hughes

Okay.

in really a though very in a market Is as saying, and numbers volume. the characterization? fair market -- you it's the pricing. of competitive get price that now, sounds just terms can't So based on It's you're it right

Michael Callahan

think -- you to pick dynamics now, to have right, would for diligently right choose. there's service We're there's get strong and definitely and I Keith. I I Yes. really competitive mean, paid working question. you're do our no

Howard Goforth

of seen Though indications coming we competitors out have with increases. recent price

Michael Callahan

Yes.

Keith Hughes

we'll cost be of Okay. that? first quarter when Will And that will the program, first real the in on impacts your the improvement come feel quarter?

Howard Goforth

impact of this start reductions had in in actually are will earlier immediate week, almost We those be Some hitting July. seen so and actually July. the

full the the in benefit of see it second You'll quarter.

Keith Hughes

on basis, see quarter second correct? full So we'll rate benefit, run a the

Howard Goforth

Correct.

Keith Hughes

lot a forward. in accounting we maybe of what's going future least And EBITDA, to year, putting been I between your the could flux fiscal in. like the guess, future you with lot in a because particularly that? the there's has a -- if on Street finally, Is obviously so The coming big Street of level out. be EPS, got a at there give with going numbers, of could lot in and at point release, some that I mean, acquisition There's consider The something a guidance change, moving just estimates on next this of numbers your in disconnect what the confusion level you

Howard Goforth

know both I the your full to with Yes, we sure that modeling investors that as questions continue company Titan guys of are quarter the and work we to some gotten impact you cost numbers your related there prepared reasons help well said, to obviously which, closely we've as expectations to out as put but make to just going to need reductions don't we're reasonable. to to absolutely. immediate yet second in and that full of give some we're answer those that's guidance, the from analysts. that And see specifically try one the you'll

Keith Hughes

an number May, X% out you question. products? organic Final Okay. all for including The that is threw

Howard Goforth

organic X.X% products. just on basis or X% an about all for under It's organic

Keith Hughes

okay. products, All

Operator

next with go Michael RBC Capital to Dahl We'll Markets.

Michael Dahl

of a pull, come to an there sales, going market but of a what the you're seem to and rough to one start I just pressure. margins discipline are but I right, think, share bit back price bit to to what's things get push does attempt about of So profitable little down and struggling a think And and bit a be bridge is we've versus the on in Keith's what people going questions still the morning. under are -- seen in actually bit volume, a is exercising some

any shifted? the of gross you dynamics. of ease competition side, should You can I margin And seeing? is and up the things So next is competitors What just on pressures? margin that of this alluded some gross thinking there you these that some us more guess detail on what giving or are directly about competitive will just we types you to two just quarters give How's optimism be fronts? how on couple over that the given specifically

Michael Callahan

up. reason increases probably markets X the the to split can for would number the I future, announced one, in mean, now optimism take out effect we of we this line a of terms weeks lot X for July X. of have business. deliveries price say all Well, in kind manufacturers the of supply And do which frankly, in in to right wallboard is I

Now mean, well, price increase. beyond that But a just of to seen And and been the issues. loads trucks above have our is announce surcharges announced. price as increases surcharges, under competitors we've your has to freight pressure. is been frankly, increases enormous of some challenging situation availability fundamentally, transportation the I board put including of and great deal the on related

right sitting in our need much reality. in out recoup it I we've Obviously, business had So to a now, there industry is our I we're fighting across-the-board. the and so where now, is inflation and is mean, fight from pretty right it everybody think to costs

are my going are say just that the do from best strong, a the would what view. as months picking that's has year. better, particularly of point, I into given vantage to up the of if not indicated -- going historically so that shifting May that there's be our kind I June activity think levels dynamic, are and So my levels volume

Michael Dahl

level of be margins quarters? over should gross that next the And few Got it. expecting we the on

Howard Goforth

-- they're rolls significantly ours. into in starting a numbers margins ours higher but June, not are little than Titan and Well, than our their actually higher gross

we've Titan. slightly Again, see June should you'll full that a it really maybe doing. of bit of see we little quarter, that than the benefit what should because be -- the expectation full the continue higher of in been second So your in

Michael Dahl

you June May And, there numbers to to couple X.X% Right. X% how -- anything activity. organic, in relative up here. wrapping percentage-wise? is on out alluded kind days there of Mike, June has June you're to of those shaped willing the a Is to up throw

Howard Goforth

June the Yes. we -- we're mid-single-digit haven't is but -- growth seeing closed as we're month yet, obviously, there seeing well.

Michael Dahl

one Okay. quarter And per to the be a the strategy how two? next to branch quite seems that Inventory and normalizing is be running me. through up we thinking last a that what little from and bit. us Can understand over you speak or help should there and rolling about

Howard Goforth

is of all increases a the I it's mean, Well, It's that the not much products. pretty price suppliers. only from wallboard. the lot

Michael Callahan

mean... installation. I Steel,

Howard Goforth

Steel, ceiling, grid...

Michael Callahan

think not going Yes. now, frankly. anything that's in I sell price of up can't right we that

Michael Dahl

more Okay. load some of I up guess to inventory? be clear, on that sort it's than necessarily

Howard Goforth

seen we any up that Right. anyone significant I amount wallboard. has built now, a really haven't indication of right mean,

is -- we busy the to have been that. to certainly able too You're busy too simply do and market haven't that, done

Operator

Baird. David We'll Manthey next to go with

David Manthey

$XXX Wondering correct? tell that includes and us that -- the million accounting could change. includes 'XX lease fiscal if EBITDA, it adjusted the Titan pro synergies Titan, does that you forma Is

Howard Goforth

the we've It does of expenses right. That's taken that operating $XX out. not include million

David Manthey

question. next my was That Okay.

million. $XX you if in full something let's fiscal the rate So run the between quarter, million million second and say, $XX hit $XX that's

growth, the range that acquisitions? 'XX, $XXX bridging adjusting million something minus to plus will million we're point then and $XXX probably or starting if relative the to be bolt-on any fiscal the the So in core

Howard Goforth

That's right.

Michael Callahan

Yes.

Operator

Fargo. go We'll Patterson to next with Wells Truman

Truman Patterson

Just the a follow-up quick question. on prior

margins capital guys the guys are same core think expecting just accounting. there? we improvement You you EBITDA in bump mentioned about thing EBITDA, the onetime XXXX, with If in Titan GMS lease

Howard Goforth

Absolutely. have The that's this should all. at all all and is not U.S. in reductions, we here. involved Canada in $XX cost That's million said this,

incredibly all in up the to operators purchase up primarily the it's U.S. there. on U.S. don't here begin They And that's all equipment, so their lease they're They fact, In there also lean lease with. equipment accounting,

Truman Patterson

Okay.

Okay. either outlook If flattish in steel pricing, volumes to going seeing Are in recently commercial or looks the we it due were slowdown during your adjust to for forward? of guys tariffs segment like down you any the kind quarter.

Michael Callahan

No.

commercial pretty On level It's pretty the segment, activity say active. would I high. that remains actually

multifamily, seeing segments but other You're are the softness actually think some in busy. I quite

Truman Patterson

Okay.

acquisition Okay. of just us Could changed et and years, There's dynamics a especially of couple taking really market account how market been then that end the has about how it's And next couple industry. walk thinking channel, past Allied think over then lot the kind ABC's the over of how should years well. pricing talk years through about we final question. by of Beacon's wallboard the of impacted past of the into and cetera, L&W, competitive share the you couple acquisition as

Michael Callahan

frankly, are a more to Well, in And doing there and think, increases of maybe I the speaking, I grow generally little bit the that have manufacturers. of some been think our grow -- looking -- availability skeptical by competitors price out have on looked share. announced to

going up. number work and to or And comfortable going lower insulation go costs we in all not quoting the so even competitive purchase as about And anticipation earlier, numbers a as number in side, I in a going at current mean, are talked in and we've maybe are situation, it's whether a that of our seen, maybe on frankly, the wallboard, up like. steel,

a a at competitors want a nature and less-than-adequate to whether take job the long-term process have you not and a with kind profit you choose of just the beast right our lot or And out to so of margin. there's settling that's now, of

the And practice. but classic trade-off, volume so for not price we're that's versus doing this profit for

do. were that are or they competitive yes, we're best to paid still going the to our constantly markets the on do and we're definitely serve. get to continue focus to our we're at than throughout but think that the trying we're years going business. service. ago, get for we drive service and will so And all share different to X This But going -- today what our to dynamics continue X We we grow

Truman Patterson

have been that it really and largest quoting call and going the we'll and you that disruptors go trying out gaining And or have recently. out the the seen, have just -- ones pricing lower prices been share, push to

Michael Callahan

a now, more I'll consistently we price were than I that we're ago. way. right year increases think, seeing announced put it

Operator

We'll go with Stephens, Inc. Grooms next to Trey

Trey Grooms

to I'm industry you're guess of increases in the you get competitive sense. to try here -- just that improve. on I expecting wallboard by this are up mean, as really these kind the are coming So margins a the in that I mentioned, light of following competitive manufacturers out, dynamics

bit You've less got have we this a this thought point. disciplined at more would or increase irrational maybe coming. would still than Competitors little being maybe they are be

trying number hands Just light traction It for like in around expectations, manufacturers' next the case, one. my And these increase of coming get get price-cost sounds the is out around to little think some more playing your there situation just going if be a your few that in. increases. color you that's to with quarters

Michael Callahan

has getting Well, out that the terms what that from we're would mean, in I to creates right I now the the fact built a rate. -- is increase. price that into frankly, it to itself quoting got work think summer going X X of to I product lot And weeks you lends anywhere we're deliveries into the in, And and say based tension. beyond on of on that price a support escalators for

where it as figure But to while that to you this the of price thing numbers to number would up we're see in. in know, settles this -- going finally we're the to and where we're the realize going we -- a -- out is activity quoting starting indicate that finally kind as So settle takes some soon hold. as

going the settles, we feel about But forward. know I good it where don't pretty in the end. increase Now fundamentally,

Trey Grooms

that kind of and that Is expected increase? as pretty is quotes expecting some you're or and broad-based well far reflecting the the regional as that job traction of lifting it this

Michael Callahan

I would to that it's say, more bit I'd to move everybody I really board. I think may generally you. it There the expecting some But to, detail to speaking, be up. small get fundamentally, across little can't a speak is have pockets

Trey Grooms

Okay. And for on lastly helpful. then That's Titan. me

what any to or some you business expectations market of us can range for us a give those for specifically Titan Just volume, your the or trends as color there. number, are us gave your that might can of that EBITDA Behind You kind contribution be directional price? numbers. end for embedded kind in that you assumptions give for the on expected color

Howard Goforth

May growth basis, a those but in They here seeing it to about the had now did Canada up good on so so be -- through And we really slow to slow not weather-driven, is to continues above-market start up things that. numbers, significantly. primarily there the we're off jumped definitely is the of on Well, slow, was in going provide year, kind factored there business April pace that line have we're feel strong. specifics relatively up particularly was into the a the but start U.S., top of but again they have January that. But ahead really taken

Operator

to We'll go next Kevin with Hocevar Research. Northcoast

Kevin Hocevar

dynamics. Maybe on competitive the more one

perhaps the is manufacturers price walking environment the to on push or to in, Given to do being competition the just not that that increases saying, an opportunity concessions on lead the the there kind from seen away inability wallboard we're in? without like along volume, the is some what and and fully based sounding of really pass and back any that's environment some what's pricing times given being on -- to you're particularly, extended, easy get maybe

Michael Callahan

operating about ways. a in challenging them been us it's have manufacturers the as environment in we're to for wanting consistent the that I say today, pretty a very, mean, for lot well and of would cost very environment recoup I as

there's not lot terms discipline their whole there, -- a out rigid there's frankly. So they're of pricing of in pretty concessions and

Kevin Hocevar

Yes.

wondering on showed on and in a of like front, then obviously, leverage taken And to little less on bit if years comment you've the being but Titan large couple Okay. than acquisition just a ago. know, accustomed you maybe in could a of that. you been lot I M&A a slides,

to because your done do and get thoughts the bolt-on on acquisitions kind continuing of types continuing the to on like seem so beyond. what's So wanted acquisitions, XXXX in your M&A does acquisitions balance some these it of are in thoughts being some industry

Michael Callahan

the a opportunities we for that here. markets only but guys Canada well in up excitement opportunities decent which well. as very in pretty very are that are for United and not really, deeply mean, the as do got I now entrenched Titan good pipeline, in we've is serve they've up acquisitions the as Well, the they me there some running there got States, have for in opportunities a pipeline

bench. at off can cultural sure the making there when never kind right potential and Canada. opportunities opportunities dialogue of And to it we'll got have we We've to switch going with and on opportunistic. sit fit's but in have number of the target, you So we we've ongoing we to got of those a in be diligent not have look that the States terms a be that now in we're

the all that do do balance the is have we'll good if been the to you that, with past We delever the our and to would XXXX to proven cash that acquisitions But we've able look want in news significantly. or say to but going sheet. -- I adequately generation guess, at And context that's So here. still the continue since, XX the of we'll something, future, I delever. sheet within case be in that managing of we've the balance flow

Operator

go Seaport Global with next Securities. McCall to Matt We'll

Matthew McCall

that sticking the had strong, I 'XX actually was pricing sure make year, gross actually want and conversations -- to a some -- you to what you previous margin were went a was I flat, down, the conversation is but remember year the in QX this about back and volume earlier manufacturers a better. on with of I up then answer market. Last understand was question, little just up well, follow

margin down, we've little up, volume this got dynamic, like a down. different is gross pricing but disconnect, it is Now now seems is

being they're dramatically but therefore, to changing more answer we they're it dramatically, that -- are your conversation what I right? with occur rigid, out they the Or think, to their just to being Mike, it's able change play does thinking not you similarly this expect was, and not stance, pretty that are things where is So, saw year earlier rigid?

Michael Callahan

mean, Well, our conversations July, pricing with manufacturers view. I I'm not tell as dynamic we going to now get into but I that's the in would the positive. that look of specifics, our right the you remain into details

Howard Goforth

particularly I add work a about we way inflationary and have more operate. there's to changed mean, with the about them. leader has They competitive not I to all -- that. out price wallboard, we Matt, got would go of Look, suppliers, real nothing price going the increases it we're pressures pricing. just Yes. But lot our there certainly because and get more on.

them. have We

them. have competitors Our

get our those not will But the work an from get go we're closely increase. and our again increase we to negotiate. back suppliers to the day, So end of price the price real customers, with we at to guys able if acceptable absolutely then

Matthew McCall

Okay.

Okay. All I right. misunderstood.

Okay.

a couple just you -- in any impact of from in I Is times know it mentioned release. what about was you there weather talked the poor? You've any the remained got quarterly that estimate the results weather and of

Howard Goforth

about to saw off get continued throughout Canada. It really. quarter first just May particularly in as to steady start, with earlier. our we results in their Things then Not us May talked months of off and rise. took two We'll sales caused quarter of our a slow to up in have numbers. progression We Keith

Matthew McCall

I guess, a All And one, two right. this parts. has Okay. final

to that, I said kind referencing? of addition You that you've ahead. I if said recently. you there does than prepared recall think, you gross a doing -- you range got in in margin think Because that savings out, announced you've look you it's just transportation. you've bit quantified, you said And better the Which a you savings additional little don't I the and in of mentioned cost metric go been then remarks that previously. you -- what should quantified as be were

Howard Goforth

anticipated, bigger And to we operating get inflation of enough they on given savings to on et some normal growth, second based our on it work the or had year logistics, but costs, in last also which talked Well, particularly about simply half unfortunately, those, is times, our the the cetera. that to real. items. turnaround year haven't around much savings, leverage while Fuel had us we the offset fuel we that we we initiatives one as were not as going of some improving continue progressed expected certainly,

volumes see break on of actually up were down particularly that can the schedule year. wallboard. You which out year to on hey, as And dollar that quarter for $X.X was saw a costs with last our we is showing, that our were fuel, in growing this our kind based where we expenses for for this operating basis, added million wallboard,

what's other some wallboard handle. actually on with million going are lower to we those the flat essentially expenses. of on fuel, $X.X And higher that knows volumes So everybody things fuel products, on volumes working and had so we're

business. in fuel that of not dealing a Now, been and with related. points scheme in -- fuel, It's our of that the XX we've was basis of significant general fuel time was things, sales a is fiscal long 'XX piece our delivery

the getting and payroll that's it full front, but the of the had numbers, better payroll it's for shortfall things only turnaround increase the We it's we particularly not are improve. times so to change reason our part on can overall, So those against in not fuel equipment the bringing year, that significant the payroll EBITDA expense highest quarter better some year's on like matters. for still last we're that was in which a And working efficiencies. X.X%. but and up where was Certainly, cases related dollar we're

wage there's in that, Now merit cetera, obviously to increase going inflation costs. increases, et normal those are

short just and we, at our make to consistently that double you we think incremental told people year. We've by in expectations I So costs. are. this our controlling headway expect can digits low that what enough, EBITDA get our some obviously, grow that increase we just that to of fell particularly wasn't see did It to

the meant that's we we really we're were that things did are XX.X%. driving the we of profit it I have. said steps when year But So double-digit mean, and get we incremental we've decisions. difficult it one meant that reasons that our the to were like going we to we last said when gross going back just we we to deliver EBITDA taken growth,

Operator

comes question with final from Nomura Our Wood Instinet. of the line Michael

Michael Wood

the think Titan have adjusting adding million If forma around we're bridge the month we're of me one Then right puts you on, we a help savings of subtract to restructuring kind year's it? that if put going mid-XXXs. take XX could $XXX the pro what months you this EBITDA you back, we're you you or closer Is million to as then given. for of out business? because say, happening the And base to add if probably $XXX way results. that about that commented we had that, it is think baseline Wondering the in let's just to

Howard Goforth

million. we -- I Well, $XX going think back $XX which is there out would I put that use to range to Titan, million the

Michael Callahan

$XX million million. to $XX

Howard Goforth

that. an number, got you XX-month that's And

Titan I growing. to So is They mean, are grow. going

put that's built expectation, kind there. range that's of into so that we that So our

bit may you be So giving much it a too haircut Titan. little a of on

even we In baked earlier, first we that savings, terms of full quarter the to run and second that's some see expect said we'll into as quarter, in start the million that that... rate of $XX the in not of and it seeing

Michael Callahan

$XXX million.

Howard Goforth

a modeling on be sales. you're may $XXX number, million there you so for depending what light little

Michael Wood

expected and be million Okay. at you'd estimates. is published comment comfortable Yes, $XXX sounds I'm I are just like $XXX to the Titan people million you that I around trying year it on to at can that to shake who those just where for adjusted out? range, mean, give analysts some to mean, this have understand. comfort

Howard Goforth

for specifically wallboard We've this to not models, at share business, so but data to only more get we we provided we work given gave to the of for at here, guidance XX.X%. what information their our kind Titan. investors. the analysts feel like enough limiting on to our the we've provide going what like -- continue point, cost enough outlined said detail to people we're was are market But on the for Well, still we

that's now, right for to go. think I about willing as as far we're So

Michael Wood

of out you're some there's -- and seeing the distributors actually price or think order market put out on larger taking the manufacturers than quicker competing the you eating for And from you're that gain to they're price getting against that you you that the competitive do potentially, that effectively to you're think there, share? manufacturers that you're do response price the the in there the

Howard Goforth

price of increases competition. if would a we we ever day bad found ahead out It be the were that getting

Michael Callahan

good. Yes. That would be not

Michael Wood

the that It tough of with margins from or seems just just more on incremental double-digit on But moving volume achieve something the I we as is Okay. realistic growth? that sales organic accretive? should other part a of or part we of incrementals you savings can your that that double-digit being think guess the you think on, should is like them. that commented decision of restructuring to And on is to the that vehicle get

Howard Goforth

that moving in forward, growth flat in no wallboard another volume. year was fiscal Well, not you $XX if No incremental to about Mike, but and And on I'm million, our to volume. XX% go year essentially committing, growth pro that of fiscal grown 'XX that back we 'XX EBITDA forma be you a and wallboard for intend to year XX%. would have don't

done. going a a organic be cost Certainly, Titan results. headwind be it's our the So tremendous going combination restructuring to to we've is to that of growth,

Operator

you And any that Mr. I remarks. to at back like this would conference question-and-answer Callahan, concludes to time, the closing our turn additional for or session.

Michael Callahan

joining Thanks, for us everybody, today.

and are we progress again. said in I where about on today to forward earlier, all our of As look coming updating very we're the Thanks you excited quarters.

Operator

And that concludes for today's you your Thank conference. participation.

disconnect. now may You

GMS (GMS) 28 Jun 182018 Q4 Earnings call transcript