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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Donnelley Financial Solutions fourth quarter earnings conference call. [Operator Instructions].

I would now like to hand the conference over to Justin Ritchie, Head of Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Justin Ritchie

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Daniel Leib

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focused company. As the year the market, of progressed, our throughout share while team available the driving also our efficiencies business in on closing stayed

focus to quarters operating the us EBITDA on year, margins final Our footing XXXX. us non-GAAP the expand helped in adjusted of solid efficiency heading into two keeping

reduced XXXX, by We to assets company to during Since also stand-alone off was $XXX our up debt debt to million. we loan. a $XX.X base free including total cash selling outstanding continue asset fully term million, reduce help becoming manage our responsibly used our paying that by XXXX, in nonstrategic our

the ended targeted our We enhanced transformation. flexibility digital are priorities, at improving revenue strong our end year deployment net leverage while also continued priorities. related including progress pleased capital our steady significant XXXX to mix, for leverage, core Xx was against markets, share market maintaining range, below giving another evolving low year our have strategic us our made company. We the the to in all of our

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a point XXXX, increase sales for led a XXX mix sales net with selling total from XXXX, revenue basis XXX previously stated progress our year-end ActiveDisclosure and from represents eBrevia, from demonstrating Venue, to net steady increase This basis toward year. objectives. Moving in SaaS total approaching a next the XX% point our of mix, success contribution of FundSuite to the healthy improvement continued along and revenue Arc,

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market sales, DFIN in ArcPro, is fourth especially two with more in complex meaningful the net the Arc of history quarter. IPO supporting in part remained FundSuite share, our continued quarter including IPO platform, solid in with fourth momentum largest again, holding marquee However, deals, which wins. the large its

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one their needs to and to clients. The of support software Midwest ultimately, compliance those their intends second, to administration the third-party clients. choose third-party to large needs a support their the and use our manage administrator of ArcPro represents to This their Xth funds fund proprietary administrator

core allocation. software capital Board aspects solve another value regularly as before, for to solutions shareholders, gears, as corporate continue efforts This documents. combined proof-point software rebranding This generate company-wide large clients' have complete adopted help of their investment throughout how Directors of with effort services In continuing our strategy, the a our yet Shifting our of in quarter associated XXXX a manage is challenges. to another evaluates our our company's of team ArcPro to discussed we long-term our the with corporate considerable including leverage undertaking all highlight, insurance fourth will they client their rebranding.

the future share board $XX a million board's our repurchase This recently program such, the approved demonstrates prospects. repurchase program. strategy confidence in As and

and our and will approach to opportunistically disciplined flexibility. maintain while we our Going stock, plan ample repurchase financial capital allocation forward, liquidity maintaining to

Before committed Dave, We update in wanted year. turning things driving going how quick work our strategy where priorities to they remain to provide into support a world. clients next our on I and want over to to when, strategic the digital to our

focus by revenue remain maintaining XXXX, expect including to share businesses, shift executing you our mix in SaaS can business primary base, In transactions. to core our continuing grow recurring traditional our our on while

to to similar margins. to plan last continue cost addition, we year, In efficiencies to drive expand

as XXe-X regulatory the upcoming for a significantly printing, rule that reduce optimize will to for for SEC point that plan we our on moment, platform. we plan manufacturing further change Focusing demand

are offerings feel optimization, platform client, and ourselves improvement -- proactively as future also overall look job taking We margin a this we print costs. product by of for volume broader fixed profit outside well. our of profitability in XXXX and at flow cash up our part As that reducing our other set XXe-X, we by rightsizing likely now, the platform adjusting

that, for performance on to more details I'll Dave? guidance XXXX. provide over turn With to and our financial Dave it

David Gardella

everyone. Thank you, Good morning, Dan.

our a recap which discuss I like impact year-over-year our quarter housekeeping comparability. to fourth Before some items, few I'd performance, financial of

XXXX. actively up resulted investment in of in the $XX.X a of transaction of $XX.X repayment. unrealized our base, other for AuditBoard, First, and our combined including asset to million our of ongoing uses, million, as receiving quarter fourth This we realized gain effort XX% freeing proceeds part of in manage debt sold cash

in the payments to plan participants lump elected certain settlement in fourth the noncash a in pension $X.X receive Next, million fourth of sum quarter. which resulted pension quarter, charge

off term facility We fourth remaining loan paid also million of balance the the our in of quarter. credit $XX.X

expense. $X.X related and of on the This to unamortized items a are excluded pretax in As X All these from our non-GAAP of issuance loss of fourth we is a original million results. cost debt debt result, XXXX our recognized quarter included discount. loss extinguishment issuance interest

GAAP income income million our to taxes related development for to was XXXX fourth adjustments, and favorable intangible and income due our of provision research tax foreign-derived benefit return deduction, expense state $X to the primarily and local of a credits. quarter

our of as third we last on have sale we several the discussed Solutions in quarter completed of Language the Finally, XXXX. the calls, business

sale net comparisons impacted our by by million, profit adjusted inclusive respectively, million, gross and EBITDA net negatively did and The fourth non-GAAP in XXXX. comparison year, of sales and For comparisons quarter the costs. $XX.X the stranded year-over-year the the year-over-year sale impacts $X impact approximately of negatively $XX million not the

XXXX On eBrevia million, fourth a and adjusting sales results. markets Keeping quarter these sales offset health for decrease XXXX our as were net solutions, from growth and mutual let's organic print more Arc, basis, FundSuite SaaS decreased than net as was fourth acquisition print X% compliance transactional of by and rates, or quarter $XXX.X of impact led for care fourth well foreign review a financial the $XX of reacceleration fund capital lower the our volume. in and mind, markets, exchange million lower as consolidated the After of items of investment ActiveDisclosure volume quarter a in XXXX. in X.X% by the

well health and volume by quarter the in due XXXX, print sales driven million by mutual to million sales as net growth $X.X XX.X%, primarily primarily or in capital care SaaS transactional X.X% lower net investment compliance to the compared lower decreased and our markets volume. Services Products quarter solutions. $XX.X markets, of fourth fund fourth print as increased or by

Fourth by XXX XX.X% XXXX, fourth services or lower sales, mix, quarter driven margin basis print SaaS volume. points higher with quarter -- than a the of favorable overall primarily combined gross margin was higher featuring net

million, the $XX in Non-GAAP $X.X of expense the quarter SG&A XXXX. million than quarter was lower fourth

SG&A basis decrease As decrease the XXXX. initiatives. revenue, was impact is from ongoing cost a savings in XXX of quarter XX.X%, primarily the non-GAAP of SG&A a points of fourth percentage to non-GAAP The of due expense

million Our million, was XXXX. quarter adjusted fourth from fourth non-GAAP an of the $X.X quarter EBITDA increase of $XX.X

XXXX, and savings revenue of basis fourth was fourth cost impact margin XX.X%, mix. of of a again, favorable driven the primarily points more Our EBITDA adjusted from non-GAAP ongoing quarter an the initiatives increase XXX by quarter

$XXX.X solutions, of by segment U.S. markets fund now activity, X.X% the primarily capital quarter. our in sales Net in health in an driven ActiveDisclosure. from X.X% partially SaaS basis, offset and fourth growth an due sales by print basis, markets in last basis, On Net a segment U.S. our mutual million quarter organic decreased primarily FundSuite partially Turning an on year's organic volume, down U.S. in on organic by sales Net compliance investment growth to in decreased lower decrease sales results. lower care X.X%. XXXX, our solid X.X% to offset fourth were and of in net transactional Arc. were

our segment due ongoing million International segment quarter of impact fourth quarter the the points for margin primarily the of cost XX.X% EBITDA a in adjusted of of Net of savings fourth quarter XXXX, initiatives. XXXX. XXXX, fourth from the XXX $XX.X decrease basis the were Non-GAAP from of sales in increased to X.X%

excluding in from the for adjusted quarter On cost fourth an adjusted down XX.X%, the the changes EBITDA of net XXXX. impact basis, basis EBITDA increase rates, was was segment in savings the due to points exchange primarily foreign sales X%. of in ongoing organic non-GAAP XXX increase margin initiatives. quarter The an Non-GAAP impact were fourth of margin the of

non-GAAP Our million XXXX was The fourth from savings a corporate driven year. amortization, unallocated million, depreciation the last unallocated corporate and quarter decrease cost by cost fourth expenses, decline $X.X were in excluding primarily initiatives. quarter of of $X.X

due fourth quarter was the flow million, payments higher higher of the EBITDA, capital to Consolidated $XX lower expenditures. lower quarter in cash $X.X free primarily interest than XXXX, and million

on As an cash are initiative the we of we the in with conversion. processes driving last few quote-to-cash goal actively to better engaged discussed calls, our improve have

loan term the revolver, net ending of with million. $XXX and our the XXXX, liquidity in the debt, year. XXXX, We in this on $XXX.X net our net of off are debt the quarter weeks already first year, see throughout results and targeting year-over-year several ongoing total the and million fourth the flow million starting of area with year improvement of cash in are paid to drawn quarter through $XXX.X available of our in improvement We first with of nothing

leverage of As ratio XXXX, was flat X.Xx, our year XX, net a ago. December from

of other the color Lastly, that in at year levels to $X.X our funding now XXXX. year-end on $XX.X summarized year-end With this were provide decline postretirement let release. XXXX, compared pension me million million covered, plans XXXX full press underfunded, and some guidance morning's a in

$XXX unfavorable of by expect million, Dan the as sales year we transactional profitable election low growth is any consolidated XXXX mentioned the million business, assuming be proactive reductions for to range potential flat the Specifically, we year-over-year flat offset that slightly earlier be down net midpoint, SaaS to total sales year. at as as the less net to staying $XXX to which sales well double in essentially digits impacts in of to our are

EBITDA range we We X% as million. continue the be to our expect run amortization approximately well ongoing $XX to of in as up cost rate as million and benefits to revenue non-GAAP is savings mix be continued the million, approximately the improved see adjusted our of to $XXX Depreciation of $XXX expected initiatives. impact our

We expense million. expect interest $XX approximately of

program full Our expected tax not including any count weighted impact repurchase We full XX%. Dan that the of share mentioned year in non-GAAP the million is to range XX potential average earlier. approximately to be be of rate shares, diluted to share year project fully the XX%

XXXX. onetime nearly free in the digital million in from to the investment $XX million. $XX $XX range expect lastly, be of we flow primarily We to expenditures capital in down $XX million, equipment related million And print expect cash XXXX, to approximately

coronavirus in first project of in investment we're the unfavorable the expected range $XXX our well outlook in the XXXX our expecting International proxy due million our segment. outbreak, as $X largely markets year-over-year net of a midpoint, business related to U.S. X% Regarding to impacts for down to quarter the the quarter, as in special approximately specifically at be $XXX first sales million million, nonrecurring the to to

initiatives run non-GAAP compared XXXX, up first ongoing to see profitability, in our adjusted the EBITDA to rate expect of we cost the impact savings Regarding we show results. continue margin to of our the as quarter improve

seasonality of first the our normal we do, We I in in a cash cash net the us the year. flow, user initiative year, has as of back the Regarding the cash our pattern which, mentioned year. to see most in in first generating expect some of expect see of of cash half earlier, our flow the to of the half however, half cash flow quote-to-cash to improvements related of

Finally, we traditional We of sharing performance first forward changes the providing of disclosures are these our certain you with changes to planning results. quarter additional with first the quarter to around look offerings. at in XXXX, aimed make SaaS beginning XXXX clarity to our and

And that, with turn it I'll Dan. back to

Daniel Leib

Dave. you, Thank

up it additional I open Q&A, wanted few we share Before for to thoughts. a

stand-alone our all Over company, core of while priorities the a business, to our made evolved years, that proud the improve X has team and significant progress as against significantly mix our I'm markets established DFIN company, business. deleveraging strategic profitable our our protected

that Moving our overall continuing of performance. firmly accelerating new on into XXXX, our delivering an will we are on our entering to shareholders. to a believe remain strategy in feature We focus chapter value focused growth and our digital our software improve transformation, one enhanced and business

the for Q&A. And with open line that, let's

Operator

[Operator Instructions].

first Your with comes JPMorgan. from question Michael Cho

Michael Cho

and reductions means to a like? you that rightsizing -- a operating taking I around perspective? the little just perspective? of What some And from that just physical ask comments profitability and flavor wanted to you then looks business, financial -- I the one, proactive, guess, mentioned kind from platform what two, a can the from more in give of on bit you a

Daniel Leib

sure. Yes,

rest, products. et So and our for we or that we cetera. our of own represents our -- own. use our we the roughly several which print total XX% And work, of outsource of work, capacity represents own that facilities We our production that XX% in own work

all it's We're product But looking to this and cash, job at and profitability. at terms what as to and volume. we a know drive And as fixed profit regulatory how order within also we client through the produced. of into there's nature profitability physical it's that level so want a on what's in all at doing regulatory-driven, And the of we the and regard, our profitability cost look what coming that print that, platform looking platform our assets side. we're higher in software optimize consideration as work offshore, can we of we physical in reduction, in both think recognizing well know we taking of gets change, a

I we'll In on thinking. with terms we being finalized progress that plan this and to for of against it, But made the our And it sizing year. that you, way later think that's well do analysis. to good

Michael Cho

And I one remind just strength in us just the ArcPro? given could are if mentioned you I the can of Venue that you ActiveDisclosure, the ask around follow-up mean, or software just Okay, on maybe great. software some business. it's how big quarter components the business, whether

Daniel Leib

Yes, sure.

out these broken we've and -- we So before.

and through then ActiveDisclosure of the what year. the going followed starting seen consistent with well So by has last as year. had largest, Arc, FundSuite nicest Venue balance we've as in this And the growth midyear -- the ActiveDisclosure. quarter that's probably is

Operator

comes question Davidson. next from Peter Heckmann Your with

Peter Heckmann

Markets XX% and how you much some like if of is year the for and talk transactional between business global of IPOs XX% Looks rough the made M&A? And basis Capital Can maybe on up maybe revenue. of quantification about of a that? possible,

Daniel Leib

Yes. Yes.

up was $XX look certainly revenue. The detail for And was about looking the So basis. on in Pete, full revenue, all the was year here, at transactions about of global million. internationally. then IPOs, challenge $XXX $XX was a for million total about about when revenue the of roughly And as year, talked hang basis, M&A a S-X total, and the million $XXX and on basis, U.S. on biggest down that you year-over-year within I'm on year S-X and that we've at a activity, in transactional long, -- million million we $X a biggest volume the activity second. in was look down decline, as

Peter Heckmann

Got it.

still coronavirus. market share? you that pipeline said today, Okay. about looks terms solid now, how feel the do about some what relatively IPO the the reflecting solid seeing in guess, and I of right you're And you're the which election, questions But you okay, then year-to-date seeing activity

David Gardella

Yes.

the certainly, is So pipeline good.

there. still bit certainly stronger, not of still of We have fully is working standstill seems in the a Early is are picked that And but the people pipeline from most and mentioned, year, firming M&A -- seeing most but the there. seeing of good. the Share our region, we've -- offices, will the I internationally offices virus. of impact up seen and not where little all, not in up, as home, a

Operator

from next Charlie with comes question CJS. Your Strauzer

Charles Strauzer

there If on about bit start date more a still assume the And year? little talk I you same could XXe-X? next for we're

Daniel Leib

of quarter first it's Yes, Yes. XXXX.

Charles Strauzer

Got it. revenue potential on to the your And impact thoughts there? any changes

Daniel Leib

more fund the an variable as there's There's we'll overall side, of work progress as we -- the annuity in we what come making estimate of with mentioned back good side layer But And work doing I of like. certainly there. profitability we it that that side, on the well. there. We're think the some looks

the our terms ability profit well side, on pretty the in to think I mitigate line. On bottom covered of impact the we're

Charles Strauzer

improvement about Excellent. margins. if on And talked QX, -- on EBITDA year-over-year you you

So quantification, bit more little maybe a more if a there little could? bit color you and

David Gardella

Charlie. Yes,

I the then the of to we the the and improvement impacts So think see margin savings activity. lot level internationally, about rolling going that cost we transactional that how depend impact activity is and of coronavirus through. of we international talked about talked A transactional the on as

margin driven obviously the overall all, expecting all I to by still But largely that think EBITDA we're in savings. softer. be cost improvement, again, expecting

specifically it know, that, of have. haven't could you only We the quantified as transactional because variability

Operator

Bill from comes Fargo. question with next Wells Your Warmington

William Warmington

what's the business incremental the on that transactional on question, days? running follow-up to margin So these

David Gardella

probably call we -- would It's Bill, range. in in the to still, XX% Yes. XX% it, the

deals, incremental looked right? Now could we variance it transactions, overall, those the think size between on I debt on the -- say complexity of in there's M&A., variance percent But the also a and each. would and margins within if transactions, at you something the depends lot of mix then range. XX-plus in it drive IPO, So

William Warmington

improvement Got had, driving I you a if then some you flow operating all in I improvement, or but a of that bit want could wasn't of I mentioned it. there? it? guidance talk just had program was little the you And cash the drivers cash if it to know that flow about sure know

David Gardella

Yes.

of So it. some it's

CapEx million the about million million on just flow in some incremental were noted press in $XX of either print And about the digitization addition, at related facility. as Secaucus then think in flow this $XX XXXX, there cash to $X was number, you taxes XXXX, when the in gain in we the well of in cash that We free to expect over the don't we the unusual morning with platform Language recur Solutions to million initiatives. there's of of to remarks, in free release there in mentioned far, we're into that prepared I the under the related XXXX so the see But $XX was associated starting as in look cash. the or to so X starting as -- X or I of or weeks And year, items -- just benefits the sale some XXXX. the already we're investment. of

William Warmington

going wanted then And a number new existing for just typically that I wins. or was about to they would color Some business -- the products? it. Got named is Are color buying new -- those And new net there I ask of help. there? you are some clients to also the clients -- ask

Daniel Leib

Yes, to case actually for had. solve finding a Sure. What little a use client new -- our that using on the they ArcPro, example I in software an firm-wide that's a both. existing of bit gave challenge it's

our transactional And typically, these, it's find offerings, more all so both. some little you'll a clients strong opportunity of we clients. find there. core of with share Specific of to wallet our In bit in of to of expand offerings, given the new also lot share a existing

Operator

Your next Baird. from comes Mastoris with question Bill

William Mastoris

a about talked you're chapter new transformation. entering Dan, the -- of digital you

but color of kind would would could what requirement, kind drop anything breakdown in new any provide right could with change, you You be terms any color -- print greatly trends I'm transactions of that print regulatory you appreciated. and on of Obviously, is highlighted transactions? the you also that that that off, now, just then maybe additional to between I would you expect? them expect digital to the regulatory going And is comment volume. reduce wondering just the which

Daniel Leib

Yes, sure. Thanks, Bill.

our times, stated would revenue XX% come but as -- that in variable next in we So which But mentioned, over for year, mentioned, we that take out, year, and annuity coming what in will I you'll XXe-X may additional piece, and be quarter, balance in to print services. there's down digits. fund see then as it seen point, your there's be good model model roughly range, the and And mutual Dave would low print aggregate, different and as growth the was able takes the you XX% we've software it hold, be to sure. the a some for out, obviously piece, full to software the as disclosures -- see we And clearly. this it more double as XX%

continue quite this, we've flow. positive generates free shift a when from to remix higher seen, see so you the cash which And our margin, is perspective, generates that you incremental good

And Bill. we're about, so the that talking shift that's

William Mastoris

cadence question a the you kind change of in ratios. Dave, And on the great. Okay, leverage of for

for a going to out to, division in during work Would we upon I have you're we're of and going then cash half acknowledge, a full of turn half International you the the X.X year of cadence? actually of half leverage ratios, And How the fluctuation to that course, similar end that cash. first going is plays maybe the where that considerable the the an As to coronavirus to say, year? get have down XXXX generate first long back tail out? of of turn mentioned, near at see how you year, let's in the we increase and is to Xx depending an impact do the user back maybe year, the a the

David Gardella

similar of think of be think that in we're I and in what I the in less pronounced second so half this will that certainly But the think what in of pattern of seeing it in first quarters year seen then pattern, And start in cash the some and previous dramatic we've be, specifically, the less it usage, overlap generally, Yes, I benefits. but than user will -- 'XX all being year, bill. in and we terms years. a first year. on And the based will initiatives to place, of generally, this again, the far some hold

Operator

[Operator Instructions].

comes question next with from Your Cho Michael JPMorgan.

Michael Cho

made for long in on share in internal -- the You time time. a your comments around comment quick first winning market a

just was little competitor? with area. that to the I competitive XX-K, bit I was more assume share a I to winning solutions winning that just -- or a has But get RFPs is mean, compliance color backdrop? do I it ActiveDisclosure. in in trying displacing I'm and ActiveDisclosure just you're mean, more behind the XX-Q else So there Or comment? something

David Gardella

Yes. Sure.

side, it by marketplace, specific the So from which some -- compliance there proxy. and pretty is success in ActiveDisclosure, and us. notice look for we or compliance impact XX-Q when as on at the is that But transactional is a overall were growth are offerings strong have there it, we of XX% characterized driven types winning you XX-K, filings, more the is why the quarter

net consistent We prior have won dozens on of that's and quarters, a with basis. new clients,

driver. the that's so biggest And

Operator

from comes FBR. question B. Raj next with Riley Your Sharma

Rajiv Sharma

for wondering line Is could guidance? business on you the more your is for you of was and of transactions, the color you're what the provide of quarter with if I first some what transactional the assuming level first are quarter rest -- year? it assuming in in sort

David Gardella

Yes.

full So transactional, year, as slightly said, to for down. expected to we flat be the

in flattish is the way we quarter, largely what it. For depending to think right about probably see on and first again, the international,

Rajiv Sharma

million then breakdown number? what to And XXXX, print/services -- sort Right. $XXX are what the for of you million assuming $XXX on

David Gardella

and few the probably print closer software service. print, The XX% would the XX-XX. versus was print number. XX%, we and hundred to So in we XX%, so SaaS to down basis in the service XXXX -- And points expect probably XX% a comes

was increase in a few to would approaching basis hundred it XXXX, mentioned, points. that expect XX% Dan As we

Rajiv Sharma

Right. points. And business? margins Up basis was sort of XXX then transactions-related said heard than you around what that transactions margins? XX% I

Daniel Leib

basis, an Yes, incremental that's on Raj.

Rajiv Sharma

overall getting of sort So the on margins what you SaaS are business?

Daniel Leib

as we regarding -- go see throughout traditional More the to throughout our expectation and and year of XXXX, And disclosures comments on part start that. the here The SaaS. to come that. additional is of that more you'll on the

Operator

no I'll call at time. turn back Dan further questions Leib the are remarks. this There for over closing to

Daniel Leib

with you, look again joining. May. forward Bye. for to thank everyone, Thank Thanks. speaking in you, and you We'll

Operator

today's conference call. This concludes

now may You disconnect.

Donnelley Financial Solutions (DFIN) 26 Feb 202019 Q4 Earnings call transcript