Angi (ANGI) 7 May 212021 Q1 Earnings call transcript

Company Profile

Participants

Glenn Schiffman	Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, IAC
Joey Levin	Chief Executive Officer, IAC and Chairman, Angi
Oisin Hanrahan	Chief Executive, Angi Inc.
Mark Schneider	Investor Relations
Cory Carpenter	JPMorgan
Brent Thill	Jefferies
Justin Patterson	KeyBanc
Ross Sandler	Barclays
Kunal Madhukar	Deutsche Bank
Jason Helfstein	Oppenheimer
Dan Salmon	BMO
Nick Jones	Citi
John Blackledge	Cowen
Youssef Squali	Truist
Ygal Arounian	Wedbush

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Glenn Schiffman

Good morning, everyone. Glenn Schiffman here, and welcome to the IAC and Angi Inc.

First Quarter Earnings Presentation.

Joining me today is Joey Levin, CEO of IAC and Chairman of Angi; and Oisin Hanrahan, CEO of Angi Inc. Similar to last quarter, supplemental to our quarterly earnings releases, IAC has also published its quarterly shareholder letter.

reading letter be this not will the on shareholder presentation. We Investor currently of available is Relations on It the section IAC’s website. I to Joey introductory the call a to turn we’ll brief up then remarks, will few and it Q&A. to shortly make open over

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Joey Levin

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Mark Schneider

Great.

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Cory Carpenter

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Oisin Hanrahan

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Glenn Schiffman

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Mark Schneider

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Brent Thill

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Joey Levin

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Oisin Hanrahan

correct. That's

Joey Levin

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Brent Thill

Thanks.

Mark Schneider

So, Patterson at our next KeyBanc. question will be Justin from

Justin Patterson

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Oisin Hanrahan

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Glenn Schiffman

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Mark Schneider

at question next from is Our Ross Barclays. Sandler

Ross Sandler

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Joey Levin

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Glenn Schiffman

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Mark Schneider

Our next Madhukar from Deutsche question Bank. at be Kunal will

Kunal Madhukar

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Glenn Schiffman

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Kunal Madhukar

Thank you.

Operator

Our next go Oppenheimer. question, can Jason we to Helfstein at

Jason Helfstein

want bit I M&A ask and about more of Joey capital. uses a to Thanks.

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So, know, buyers. you you be more wish generates the not, cash a flow, to have is value extent kind to first, you you tend of, now that you then and if Vimeo I an guess know, important post guys that know, business

particularly you've I some that's of excited been the in Dotdash. been expensive is high, have, right now. have think, kind whether gaming, verticals, everything in about think Obviously, of valuations I in

about, that's, should kind think balance kind use do to need generating, of investment of you given short-term? maybe understand we to know, you know, So, know, you how you the help the business cash a us in buy flow the of motive Angi and, sheet,

Joey Levin

Sure.

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find I I'm both are we're of acquisitions. opportunity And to opportunities those to that going find always possibilities. in think optimistic any market

I a think that a terms valuation long-term of new hard very current looking terms one that's their in categories, very, relative to there's to answer. In of few at We're interesting are several, think I focus, spot where several going XXX do we're million been opportunity. has and but we'll smaller probably sweet the our things on probably And prospects. buy acquisitions. dollar a there's that's to

Jason Helfstein

Great.

Mark Schneider

BMO. is Salmon next at from question Dan Our

Dan Salmon

everyone. Is that in XX really getting The is Could it morning, you line learning change target details the of top to, talked for of that guidance, still the promotional the we at into gross mid-to-long of spoke jobs? Good that how get spend sort to as million to about little particular, bit growth price much in XX% investment compare and about Angi, scale we approach the of in fair to that better? do here TAM to the exit of term? how sort other right it's delivery the your margins, see that business more have the versus or rate, mobility like net, marketplaces over And on learning to a comments you simply both and sides, have matter we for that a really thanks a the critical number a you price then is understand over long-term that of mass near-term for earlier. revenue to year, the the and XX%, rate Glenn, we

Glenn Schiffman

not of XX% obviously now do – we And Shane rate of that think Yeah, on a of that add-on TAM, you fair we're is obviously, you for revenue I'll payments, billion the against growth going TAM, million up, XXX long-term. absolutely and add-on take subscription. a back rate amount the whole take TAM, add-on the opens of the XXX right mentioned, that thing. as it's the financing, that you north were after

market. the creating as think also I TAM So, we're we're approaching

on margin think the focused not only higher of are EBITDA revenue that, you our a the base we're So, as but pull from on clearly will you over higher time, there. against through know, less percentage aggregate as a we margin you about see

it's the XXX price investment this we're of national so Remember, in but of XX In the I call say it around categories. million it categories, XX% is one, the at in our doing to jobs. – jobs, terms investment promotional, pricing the in wouldn't Angi Services, scale, diligence

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Dan Salmon

Thank you, Glenn.

Mark Schneider

Nick next Citi? we go our question, at Jones For to can

Nick Jones

questions. Great. Angi. update just behavior the for Thanks an guess on I taking consumer at

you to providers the lumpy to let creating service service breadth? and second much homeowners volume at question providers You Angi, their service to focused more on, best And of how know, drive I a willing mean, you have work. in add becoming can I more Because know, their maybe versus home you liquidity sure in lot think are then is continuing making today? providers know,

or work, color provide consistent any metrics, the able you consistent by to get great. be more So, prices maybe being come would down there

Joey Levin

Sure.

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where are got away tasks. in clearly the transitioning people some normality to leaving of element were the obviously homes done from getting and work of snapback, they outdoor returning You their some

a their from backyard tasks. of seeing and as and to outdoor indoor we're firepit getting more in away So, deck new softness everyone in moves tasks terms put

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and to homes from shift to we've the because homes the be buyers the never more maybe from offline less they'll hey, on millennials largest of trillion need the buy there's to there. and going the all we're then work and last sidelines. buying towards out think shift sitting I more this they're they're less And online. We've is X.X homes, inventory seen thing the seeing seen

four put will in So trends way and terms softness together there's those the homeownership expect but increase as that Glenn probably play you three service we're see requests, to couple seeing next think alluded that a or months of for of towards earlier, we shift in the us. in out positive

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the the job their Pros get can now, them our we pricing leads grow how the business. we can in them the task combo be the possible get to of to grow can addition do fine key for helping invest done and think the should got their they here. do work about that pros self-enrolling is, that need tune their better what thing In that's help help helping the possibility business. we drop geo pricing the other we've that pros in how Right actually that of line, terms them platform, it to do directly for we consumers to with do they and It's successfully grow their so businesses best bottom and helping for I

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think each pull we segment help decide grow As opportunity pros our got to how really we've this of about from like to together, they marketplace. those

Mark Schneider

to go our John Blackledge we For Cowen? next at question, can

John Blackledge

thanks. Great,

So, Blue are the stakes market a On MGM, which opportunity you you formerly couple And NurseFly, for given curious tight then, in online in stimulus? Crew, and stake pool, investment, endgame thoughts Joey, could labor time. the the a with kind And emerging employment with see you provide typically what's the use just a Blue Thanks. Vivian, guess capital questions. of get marketplaces, this the there that of was segment? some bigger I you have just would than Crew, what's you of which seeing to on look different called segment over IAC,

Joey Levin

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I the here. most has think value software

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John Blackledge

sorry other Would would one, you – that? verticals within build buy you just and/or

Joey Levin

Yeah, Absolutely. at at capital. a for to that more We've we the and – looking we'd absolutely we're while been looking that. continue to place but that's love put and

John Blackledge

you. Thank

Mark Schneider

from Youssef at Truist. will next Our be Squali question

Youssef Squali

Great. Thank taking you, for guys, question. the

more clarification two: from Glenn. I So, one, have

side, on So, price, revenues, not the Glenn, net on tell this a basis. are recognize the me if on I'm right, as Angi you the gross they thinking correctly, but about fixed Services on basis, obviously recognized

than as more talked about? XX% – you of the and and it growth that shouldn't practice then trajectory, accelerate because pure look what you even about Again, revenues, just XX% then I historically have maybe as price accounting like already simple fixed profile. historically So, long-term support think, margin, is the talked by Angi on about could math, and you've margin the of how plus

in? help much the it the like and the a accounting been and years the as to think about, have you just Oisin, move kind the we ago investors us looking worry to but your or can playbook a job there, you long-term little I’ve speak from about potential tracking maybe great to a progress points changes there? Handy outside as to can you that for maybe you did for try friction toughest question know Handy of one take then As with bit, larger two platform, one just And margin you

Glenn Schiffman

me you Oisin Yeah, let and then start pick could up.

recognition revenue recall, changed XXXX, revenue, gross the right. our On in we

we to lift an XXXX there net So, we had gross. XXXX against artificial as in from shift

consideration uptick, shift, about yeah, to tasks you not there'll And think I accretion numbers slight are into be that a to but rounded to but see that the mix larger lift, gross material rate was more get it's the there's all a there. as we Now X% sure, medium gross. task, slight a in growth

long long-term On obviously, talked this about margin, the for target the we've XX% business.

Services, As now traditional the Angi now component and Angi's can of think we Services several our still that a List. Angi And quarters, talked marketplace we push of last holds. over a overall HomeAdvisor, that talking into the and XX%, believe not about tasks and if we've former I don't the the over it's former aggressive a more be that's about respect more take significant business, or much wider making But seven-year even than three we're margin in mix. XX% We've we for Angi we business two in be deeper as margin and even as positive tasks. of Services is it timeframe grow from longer five-year maybe and go that, each not a now, know these years a may timeframe, business been to

G&A. percentage apply negative bunch you traditional about about X I to progress those against is apply, or few our talked lower on substantially Angi terms business a in our about a again, on of of and traditional over of to margin. the give for a another XX% numbers years, make between X% in lot cost and scale way, balance – years. I talked to years. Services and XX% blended the product business increase probably on back progress think marketing. think, next intervening before next Said the and XX%, I've to what to that sold. goods the XX% have We've your we'll of We'll think whole, get sales X there, development we'll And again, maybe So, progress the make of in a number,

the how to as to margin. it But that's frame maybe So, as I earlier, long-term crisply here. I opportunity up alluded didn't importantly, have. this kind of We're should do reframing but the

even totality are less ability that. the market, only absolutely XXX on our EBITDA more beyond not focused are but add on services addressable total as of that dollars our to and we percent We full the margin the aggregate billion,

definitely compare we've up, will sure, time. down the – ago, margins you continue as category. as percentage way the thought take some to for be but a be will we it'll EBITDA about So, definitely transform business and is hopefully think the years long-term we be opportunity about will aggregate we as talked build This margins to

Oisin Hanrahan

to transition way and .We're we is billion it. one than We're very Handy that as we're before takeaway about think Angi Services, into continue tasks XXX think mentioned TAM, excited in in the TAM, of of a Yeah. I after tiny $X very, XXX and I billion that a less great a not the true to a invest opportunity much part going bigger that billion are at And was tasks. going from we forceful the you very

that stuff was fulfillment works. automated that true job the So, automated good enrolled, at Handy

we're $XX,XXX grow. into so [$X,XXX, $X,XXX, That spinning, bigger tasks, to is tasks. that. we're see pushing flywheel got is the we've Where that So, $X,XXX, the $X,XXX, continuing

we're things bumpy. getting I deliberately of to hey, to was my And said, project I running it Services responsibility dedicated think that's to we've essential ads, have is someone's do. going first full where focus we've we're three I is ownership Ellis it Bryan the business, the we've did now one the done. of the going $XXX,XXX be two And and and work dedicated that leads taking managing which them we're or split home going and and to of business got because them where going terms tasks one Angi right we're at where of have running of is one it's – marketplace we We $XXX,XXX, remodel for a think from Handy give it's got the in job actually business. in to person Co-Founder Umang, the

challenging. that be aware So, going it's to we're

on going probably think, like numbers. obviously think. given is a else grow we you If going about their and now, was – you Like seeing out to data plan see think together potential the excited there's pro model than this one customer the over the probably when help doing a with set, using about or we're winner, to doing to rate, much in data nobody Services leads doing really faster is I I the and to seeing right model. it category was faster the Angi think that's doing this model and the people in this going ads, how together I there it. side it's the than more repeat there out If grow the is at No the we're them this services it's a yeah, competitive we're business there's GC we and model, the but the guessing is I think because people them the of said largely we're is grow retention, cost under there's work. use, put engagement to marketplace seeing

Joey Levin

one in. go We're through time and we'll Mr. very it more over quickly. Schneider, let's get question

Mark Schneider

from at Wedbush. question Okay. We'll last take our Ygal Arounian

Ygal Arounian

a for in. ones. me have Thanks but the couple, they're squeezing shorter promise I I

categories goal of getting are pretty into that's and Services XX% using really rebrand can you to pros is for talked pros you of and revenue, Services, are so terms been XX:XX, way about interesting. the historically talking that the that own is of bring XX:XX What any about in the what to all payments about for on talk [always]? goal impact, on And Angi quantify the Just there your far? the there getting that being at Angi to, there you on on the Thanks. do and benefits categories? seems payment kind side, the And expect using to

Oisin Hanrahan

work don't So, with Why I two, one? payments the backwards. let's then and you three, and get hit start

So got available today, the to payments the we've marketplace pros. actually

sorry, through is the our Angi payment So non-Angi customers. getting third part lead requests interesting Those – that’s of from ad through going the paid week. $X of their pros are those a that million are in or that helping to are money mobile collect Angi The collecting customers really and Services a app.

from actually payment then have customers to the make acquisition their out those are by payment. Angi app download doing mobile to So, non-Angi pros for going requesting customer us our who

question. really was or sorry, forgotten a I have I'm completely your So, that it? blanked that's there. we're what shift like interesting second seeing

Ygal Arounian

[indiscernible]? second on – The the question was the XX XX:XX split

Oisin Hanrahan

Yeah.

than middle, as seeing top show of what Angi the mean there's we today, said, being to a able in opportunity think shown we've slide be in over can some that really being shown service a which bottom, way got every of page. less throttle requests half Probably, have an see single is, our the on Services, today. those they an task. So for way it and Long-term, I we we're nearly a view that aggressive to XX% of And doesn't version we're Services seeing it's Angi about to that. should Glenn as to at page, how people only offer and about really

sit So, if task consumer do or we're model Services to Angi as that able we $XXX,XXX for option an to remodel, of $XXX,XXX the to be alongside able [leads]. to offer marketplace every should

Glenn Schiffman

weeks. Ygal, to market us on respectfully, I'd rather on exactly It's of where rebound. the we the been impact not six mark are

slow Obviously, the what here, we the to and We And a could and year. we've as authority the Joey We'll also keep few little from inputs I'll next to said more we're first it posted. try fuel recapture brand. over are domain the And make around observable building think decide continue of earlier, the to to our and rise Our but headwinds remarks. new it'll spend and see. you may fuel more million obviously always, for year. a concluding we I to impact turn we'll $XX EBITDA bottom a hit as quarter think build gave be into

Joey Levin

back going at the what back bit past many We've a down most harrowing been is harrowing biggest Glenn little That's impact of a your most and down, what part. these to in add few part. what we're up search things, the then so the we're part, goes rebranding up. that's to the going in comforting. Dotdash, is through Just happens goes ServiceMagic, said, happens the part, We're and it traffic and past –

that’s enduring the fun bets. overall. done where we're up. hopefully the that that but our we are is is we question right build we're excited maybe should very do don't about long bets. for to What of the know, right, And right it to, now it we win and got long, bets. really we business. confident we to really product about got just got to is, the decision Now predict We're of going. get we going confident doing do what the know big know. time in We that's And in scary probably ago. summary place are And pace are We've it's have hard hard we predict. where we're best where We've we're the We've category. And We're real, sort good brand headed. a for excited back

you thank quarter. for a you to joining in will and us all So we speak

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