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Operator

Good morning and thank you for standing by. Welcome to today's International Paper Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Day Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, you will have an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions]

turn Relations. over to Vice Guillermo like Investor President, now today's to conference Gutierrez, I'd

Guillermo Gutierrez

Holly. morning you, third Thank Good quarter International for XXXX Paper's joining earnings call. and thank you

and morning Mark Nicholls, this Vice Chief and Officer. President Officer; speakers Our Senior Sutton, Chairman and Chief are Tim Financial Executive

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Mark Sutton

you, Thank and everyone. morning, Guillermo, good

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Tim Nicholls

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the segments and growth recent we've into confidence. October, in we're seen our Overall, add business slight our we year. of a confident outlook in as serve, pickup The wins to we In trajectory demand. our commercial coming move the portfolio and customer our

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to turn I'll back Mark. that, over it With

Mark Sutton

for Thanks Tim on and quarter for the the covering outlook. details the

at about with call, and always our do thoughts a end like As just I company quarter. few to the of close the I'd

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that, we your ready take are with And to questions.

Operator

first Our Instructions] the markets. from [Operator BMO of question line Mark will Wilde, come Capital

Mark Wilde

morning Thanks. Good morning good Tim. Mark,

Mark Sutton

Good morning.

Timothy Nicholls

Good morning.

Mark Wilde

up staying we if Mark, thoughts XXXX of on cash kind XX is of CapEx of maintenance the move this are with the capital maintenance and of I on in for just free any a proper you the give of across IP kind about I of theme, us cycle? wondered, kind position do flow wrapped for you of sort year? to that. to think the CapEx into kind you're kind What as think XX

Timothy Nicholls

good question. Tim. its Mark, It's a Hey,

on on still what -- that Question different of still going release we like lines. maintenance out that schedules, finalizing when capital, time to but is are have big look quarter report and are fourth we'll equipment depending getting these earnings. are pieces We close, the we're XXXX

our And So what that of looking that recognizing is at less always also we it how we're needs, can sure flexibility there are asset an how balanced by labor. are in we we contractors, do how use terms but looking to timing. always make for outage money use schedules, in we being own

up go down, flexibility can and some can there time. but there realize is that it So we over

Mark Sutton

Tim just I add what Mark. So to would said,

but lower what And there's today's use we maintenance. to make at them the and the of effectively, resources objectives our whole there's cash look so that cost. we try making is maintenance subject piece. also lower as the protecting CapEx do sure the total cost it's and for try we expense we we total cash, And One sustainable, flows all the and shoot to on of piece, is the we

issue. issue, if expense the right a ahead can to it's solution go So that maintenance thing to eliminate the probably CapEx do recurring solve and

So we really do look at holistically. it

Mark Wilde

Okay. just follow-on, then to And Mark.

You reduction heard million an of $XX initiative about did overhead recall call I about and out having that before. don't

trajectory color give perhaps going forward? So what might you look that the and could a us little on

Timothy Nicholls

just I’d looking run deploy and its We're we lower what Mark. always how try do kind processes. with to for at had the the across need at say Yes, due it Tim charges last We of better and some organization we it's again, to better normal restructuring. practice. business year cost a get to

initiatives So We and improvement don't about that continues don't We that just underway. any make don't there's them. sure its talk we don't them spend promoted trying but broadly, to. money need to we

in really charges the know out is in implement. quarters will the third be we of And from third savings the because quarter, there the charge charge So the that's as where going series play quarter. to impact, that over a we

Mark Wilde

good. over. it Very turn I will

Operator

Thank you.

Incorporated. the Mark Connelly, next from of Our question Stephens will line come

Mark Connelly

to if you there's that way have the of want at that you that price you time. the Your would cost continue term just in despite the sort Is if of short all performance those downtime down longer any was you work we levels? reason the run, excellent there things to but change don't high? manage again, to do level performance I'm the so that wondering keep do in containerboard

Mark Sutton

question, a great Mark. That's

cyclical, our we if look our we on differently. I look versus market the all containerboard, containerboard box changes there output of things to that so are of we as of at think the given needed the things probably open system, at try its customers, are do supply obviously, in you and way large, especially to some you it then structural customers that amount structural and

lack capability better the believe term, the we the kind temporary last a system, taking our the warehouse then But real on years we few integrating cost marginal we by through built have normalizing integrated a we have mills of company and view at now, focused and of throttle a right that on

and a wide We variabilize of things we open, shed run can open, used lot certain than can we of to look costs wide that types run can less and fixed.

believe term mostly fundamentals So is cyclical, for near term right the see structural. the and industry we us happening long what's about and now in we its whatever the and not growth now right

Mark Connelly

Okay. The you've than simple massively different second question a effect and historically. been excellent able to performance is My there has been what throttling do the is clearly really one.

anything challenges terms are in terms difference Are else? are dealing of pass-throughs the You pretty well market. the any you customers thinking pulp the in in with way seeing contract about or

Mark Sutton

the and constructed. the how structured. customers there’s revisit of sometimes are I want excess discussion pulp the are always conversation just or arrangements low. some think to on to do normalized supply, commercial the When in contracts a cyclical period goes you’re high not moment way Usually the a

baby So there's have, thing. it that their products, say markets very economics, strategy to we're that, seeing products. targeted for am is customer-specific diapers what the they're and one able looking on which the we of is I Mark. always in other absorbent the really on And based type becoming discussions for What and go-to-market

see much commercial it I same desire customers. most And into to conditions. seeing types But use by they’re we more segment similar ago approach or and of unique are the years all of not a

Mark Connelly

you Great. very Thank much.

Operator

the Our next George line America. Staphos, Bank question from of of

George Staphos

Tim, everyone. business. you details. you prepared win, all Hi, Good that there for containerboard thought the remarks the I hey, Mark, mention to during heard Thanks think morning. your were I related mentioned some I recent Hey,

keep your and a containerboard, modestly should provide in and more in If I we business seeing in follow more color you what that if something about in bit detail, you October. there's comment a could especially bit then relatedly, if a I you're had domestically But think said up the on. there mind you is

Tim Nicholls

the we've -- over on year team, and cases our wins and to And don't innovative in this speaking working with Tim. box will follow and solutions cases, of to needs for even their it's sometimes, a active our had talking business They a very constantly some address through that we existing, quarter things. It's the with were is few we've multiple number for been that start there with actually these about customers next some coming cadence how commercial business new. quarters. George, box Yes, quarters, customers neatly but

I the really to So so that was We win teams prepared what far. in comments. feel about good the was relating

George Staphos

related say just you July in point. did October? And – Okay. doing July you How and are

Tim Nicholls

that. bit Well, a have about was can shipments. you We view July, a little tell don't October I on better. clear

view saw it's we in be we're uptick preparing quarter. clear so, a seasonal a But what inventories fourth customers on the that month around a how and have We think good directly good e-commerce. We especially much facilities, through processing demand to the slight and to it. feel season for our about we going demand, versus close for we’ll when see yes, of for flow October

George Staphos

machinery over. that somewhat forward? Okay. guys. We is what's turn market? there from us is why color narrowing wins there? doesn’t how sustainable winning tend benefit of might you’re offered to And give And business your offering of bit going different it so on you, how with related is it terms any not denominator systems that you IP any seeing that is The than business, getting question, this in your corrugated in much what kind just recognizing you're of I'll there always that more IP smoothly? Thank common hear in you’re come in terms be and being Can a the

Tim Nicholls

in Yes, yes, solutions. yes, space. that for what go Innovative entire something not to sell need, customer they across all important customer solutions for George. types some by service we most them a tried creating innovative size and do big the of machinery really so because very do thank we you, do of We customers, everything, we and of way, where our and of are

Mark Sutton

our the like faster-growing like to protein, approach top IP time, over day, build George, has of we things I as the on our of every at segment give interaction. grow large other innovation that position I on to think our served and large and with be that bringing earn And differentiated. a to companies. would have try customers some add segment that I we of we're reliability maybe speak that to and people credit for can’t e-commerce, then a the of tend with us not to that give supplier just scale taking position with single a very that would some has allowed the credit, it's lot that customers. IP every lot the I already these a

with the about are IP at to how employees value entire them we mean the example, it's give When we to in I customer, my our prepared team, helping customers. our help manufacturing our We product, the their service think even I and helping manufacturing customers, and faster said some of leveraging have full of for skills embedded that this something that our what run it’s well really out optimizing doing I them applicable. Resources some we package and works Human bring us, our when solve the go of rates. remarks, operation problems, customers that. And chain, we just It's even by and not is how if the but for provide made

George Staphos

very much. quarter. It’s solid very good. Very you, Thank

Operator

the Steve next line comes question Chercover, D.A. Our Davidson. from of

Steve Chercover

actually the morning. good I and on Thanks wanted focus cellulose specialty to business.

can Weyerhaeuser? remind of post us all, was you the or of segment just potential thought what you the mid-cycle first earnings EBITDA So

Mark Sutton

potential, we believe and ago what few believe said quarters that $XXX million on still EBITDA think that that that. our I had business So we a we

pricing that. both We a immune also and in and to pulp disturbances market not is right pulp the period in of demand. absorbent the now softwood affects It affects are some

of pulp. strategy about still capacity believe at stated one our we objective. that, an is business to achievable XX% focused as remind that absorbent we have our on a Steve, of though, the I'll things So you

in So the of and fluff kind for about We're that product the specialty continue. a are only right pulp bubble now. grades pulp fluff XX%

us fiber cost some the products structure. products making and products, So North American given products they're long-term not and are other that for market pulp

in And northern is the plan mill a nonabsorbent only we pulp make which makes Canada, place really to softwood. in our high-quality

kind is growth go We've a time believe of path. us about into, of a the right line, commercial But got given to very that time softwood of softwood issue talked bit he talked International things and bit the that going globally lost we this supply product the last get going this are we a clear just strategic we the of commercial globally profile. little of types that point. supply year. give and the take pretty can time. and Paper we things given It's So things from convinced of issue about this business It's to we all to great kind

Steve Chercover

the going for pretty Thanks to And looks not from a to detail -- it point. Okay. there. we're XXXX like trying I'm dramatically start change low

do call impacted that any whatever in improve So year? -- are I'm power the slow impacted you being to have still are place wondering it there anything commercial want you plan results? by you to to or this And earlier you

Mark Sutton

we're And challenging the So news is to wins structure. commercial commercial good good lot want cost and customers rate have we're a to absorbent go that initiatives. the we is put make of beginning in to we're The which see And news opportunity XXXX, as exit to then will us a you're grades come is The initiatives. into XXXX. fruition yes, there the start initiatives. good will The and right, is is the news in of position. commercial commercial and on products, we targeted we

we We X have businesses. -- have we essentially X two

to several acquired, IT optimize It then facilities other very we mills for we doing out business, get down. legacy converted not those usage which from mills. is of And that We total have there's part yet of is cost business Weyerhaeuser purpose and optimized. built largely the and still the the was pulp which And well. ability have

the just, other and stuff? we'll of in it as The forward. things supply should we on more success, that all control normalized that begin of of working operating commercial combination and pricing this based go question So long where returns we is demand how The on to cost then level, take come market to and does environment fruition.

Steve Chercover

pump about you antitrust another opposed Thanks. that this count as I wanted other were also and as Italian just you'll impacted? settle Is Hopefully to are Thanks. one folks there to litigate the fine. chose question. ask to situation who where

Tim Nicholls

decision, We build through moment while Tim, go the we're the acetifying, the appealing No. and It's so we Steve. process. we're in were that recognizing charge

Operator

next question the our comes I'm And your Fargo from with next Gabe question. to of line open. Wells to going is line go the Gabe, Hajde Securities.

Our is Citi. from going the line next question to of Pettinari, Anthony come

Anthony Pettinari

Good morning.

One the And wondering to of competitors processing capacity. OCC system, prize. is system there given between and capital recycled? out like I'm structure us your called then your recently virgin just mix virgin potentially you investment are what to maybe increase And to remind if North what a their from your recycled, lower opportunities American shift OCC for could this looks

Mark Sutton

mix Anthony, roughly the fiber. is system recycled XX%

what -- through look where of fiber is paper. have form you the we at sheet that We cost actual the to actually system

there's involved. head that the call cost other to because box we So fiber

mills, if make sure integrated want example, to in even energy maximize For blending your and your fiber. you're you production the recycling

at used if certain increased of we So recycled some at some our mills investments amount XXX% capacity and at fiber. recycled that we've made the virgin few last of the of we've our our years, capacity over look increased mills,

It the than of to you anything the your to to the more causes cost have done we energy, generate do the more to and OCC. cost we leave you it fiber OCC, have not of more. ability fuel look the is matters just So your forming But biomass of part really you boiler on equipment cost. the that because make really less if at

that's we at So look how it.

Anthony Pettinari

recently impact And liner do mean, lot Do Okay. question, index? very No, related helpful. pulp it's basis anticipate quality pretty paper recycle Recycled any has this you thoughts on line commercial a that the I seems that? sense? you way. the differences, used they kraftliner makes your maybe be And index. to standard seems and may then introduced index from a it

Tim Nicholls

Anthony, Tim. Yes. it's

Our is market's competitive efficient. pretty box belief and is market pretty the the

being new knowledge being there's that's way. -- just It's knowledge any so different created And not represented here.

significant So the speculate don't plays I in we out. see in as it not market. put what sense, hard can't tell, a happen. to one will this on see been that's But It's how change

Anthony Pettinari

I helpful. That’s it Okay. will over. turn

Operator

will from line next of Our Seaport question Weintraub, Mark Global. come the

Mark Weintraub

question. Thank tiptoe a you. into trying to And complicated what's I'm

whether So I which in see this side changes be you've there are But containerboard may to realize that it on to look context. makes on mentioned footprint actions, you the sense. guide hard view perfect answer structural your really your to

And one very exposed, that's off business. fall I has and been guess, weighted of demand the business in more things export been the the really to domestic now

if how business, bounces that, the export confident kind you of focusing So that on are back?

China guess, fledgling for I And And situation recognizing their then your is a the showed macro overseas? again, has being, of has much capacity much get where play, obviously, a OCC been there weak started How versus perspective importing that the even to up slower. being slide been -- weak, demand maybe you somewhat amount of you so outside is given which the reasonably second what's know, that economy North in of great maybe large two things business are you the America. variables the is, pretty two on issue less have which that export part that that's the they

Mark Sutton

a method in globally. this that, growth as is right. That's packaging see packaging boxes view complex And see in we'll were that by the discussion we growth sustainability level, export do So informed a and or you're globally containerboard question think we I view preferred all questions, on have plays up the a corrugated on of have that and of we Mark. and it taking set But the still we role kraftliner go. what to

fiber-based a used right XXXX. to But for decline, packaging, the we built think think a was its somewhere And well when correction demand we probably last we've year bodes saw for inventories seen in it But of the have kraftliner we a growth We you then together into in that neighborhood. rate. it year. X.X%, which now, put and feeds two

demand. box the ultimate the the structural haven't kraftliner reality that And changes or which the role that fiber it We the is important any feedstock role, plays containerboard for driver recovered very a is market. is of which seen demand technical fact global

work believe very the and in our is and see containerboard really our view they So business. future corrugated of we together, bright which still informs packaging,

Mark Weintraub

– give specific may for I the actually And miss I you did Okay. just did there? a EPS this on you here? I a expectation misheard but number year? have I give – think indication Or did did

Tim Nicholls

not. did We

Mark Weintraub

you. Okay. I sorry. am Thank

Operator

Wells from line Our next Fargo with the Gabe Hajde of question come is going to Securities.

Gabe Hajde

for Thanks taking the questions.

down XXXX, on Selma, maybe My could I impact conversion up. the the Sorry, us trying some us the any work up back to of you caught surprise I us first was in I it differential about that can it see that. when context gentlemen. and you between around think know taking doing If and half Riegelwood next and there's magnitude then the mill I of back was down in ramps the for recall give by frame year. Riverdale to question if if the of don't

Tim Nicholls

outage. pretty of No. making down be be done, start and when It to work There's lot we a it a long take conversion. will the

out to point. premature at that it's think I lay this

machine the of the ahead preparations do Printing much we will on give as like as the looks But will fourth year. papers able for work be of point We Papers ancillary tried at some are to production quarter. of next that indications on -- time. we report all down all to shut on equipment I'm then what we'll some and sure finalizing -- general

on parts the on work, So the can done, we've machine quarter. work work give mill, and you then related report insight first early as more construction back-end that will outlined, is fourth in the and the so begin as but that we quarter of of that we itself

Gabe Hajde

organization? pretty about needs how and business thinking winds you a downtime taken your have network commercial decent of guys and what need this I've guess, might Okay. And downstream amount was you different corrugated your one net Thank more, that may I And read be you, conversion. on the pieces focusing a curious the capacity shuttering which capacity, Tim. neutral – places conversion the you to as elsewhere in you're else. imply seemingly somewhere some year, I more and economic the see,

Tim Nicholls

Yes.

So, not liner, relates be Gabe, system the you to about thinking white-top but how may overall. is it

needs. our our system run we based on So customers'

that's So to produce capacity. going from. it's What other this products. currently incremental be available is we up facilities But where other that producing free will this actually start to product productive they're

a One and gypsum large able now position of in that be to board will facing grow has which position.

So, is it something in in up a that containerboard facing long facing we've won't all that show paper market or for been but necessarily, board gypsum time. gypsum

products and think like customers. have really good would to time. position good great grow over we We We that provide we and service

Gabe Hajde

Thank you.

Operator

Adam of line the from come KeyBanc Capital. will question Josephson, next Our

Adam Josephson

Mark and taking morning. appreciate I my for good it. question. Tim Thanks

Mark Sutton

Adam. Hi,

Adam Josephson

talked demand goods of Mark, on you down your just one box flat call up on little the finished second their that. quarter call result thought you the and the of considerably, your If inventories last think the quarter. about memory pick quite serves, half your on is expected a had as – it in in customers I that a somewhat

with demand that quarter? talked just about that? flattish trying continuing you in I'm flattish e-commerce square with I'm trying to and the to double-digit see relatedly the square at So, demand to also and that grow did you

Tim Nicholls

Yeah.

as in commercial it happened due quarter that those we've industry, some did performance. we protein a coming business as we We the volume time we see way had beverage referring extent that that see, your about a good show We thought we to up e-commerce. like, as to but replacement good about we feel for would. better was be. at On not with as to the the pick segments, that's good I customer it some quarters. the of to see other these comes in through had other Adam, in terms wins. the point, of then feel the not time on what the did e-commerce. did consolidation not it in lost I really food, activity expected up would But some non-durables, didn't also line, plays longer through will So, but and side, Process we We then saw across to. moment we slightly much that thought the the And have in of mentioned, come that these and was happened the we

Adam Josephson

market Tim. also growth. just one I total And connect e-commerce, trying I'm on appreciate just growth then the that, with e-commerce to

and the Box it growing talking up. about taking X% XXXX in about was e-commerce you're talking demand still demand to XXXX, coincide back And up was So but was happened with you're growing economy obviously, everyone e-commerce. double-digit. but It really, double-digit, now flat. at is

the e-commerce So demand in box seems growth between think total, you e-commerce will? given delinked, relationship your relationship the this to you growth I'm just is year trying what do growth have to – if market the for

Tim Nicholls

the losses be of that it's noise think delinked we've these only I I had Yeah, kind in because that creates of to appearing talked about some number.

of I going quarters. three reverse couple you're that see think the next itself to over

anything So think has don't structurally changed. I

Mark Sutton

we demand XX, in of talked I trailing by kind demand. neighborhood, think, GDP box that XX total the box points, basis somewhere about Adam,

about are something that trade minuses think You very, shade always segments, got be growing in which the X pluses third from be can but of that X demand GDP it's on. going There's other and a got wars it quarter. a crimp of and possible e-commerce we've can box demand, very the X.X, that some so the couple the e-commerce of GDP. growing of and these is, exporters fast, below and But U.S. double-digit, sub-segments like some box some

the understand demand. think we the terms the noise components three drive perfectly, there trying there's look it system. is box periods in where what of to where GDP then attracts it, row I there's need to some what of some So and in U.S. a economy, in obviously quarters the are really And number and at

and those really trade, up started when number a it to noise about tariffs of started about think time, around started, show this things. talking we and You the

it think So, is right notion pretty below still this solid. I GDP do of being

Adam Josephson

Thanks Mark. so much,

Operator

will from question Chip come next Our the Vertical line Research. of Dillon,

Chip Dillon

little us it to me, U.S. Hi. overall at demand? demand if year wanted of of to box your that maybe Seok e-commerce. makes and at up was the a versus to on seems e-commerce the I again. today And thanks proportion least pick-up domestic what and double-digit, Could Good that idea whole you just an up morning for piece to it's give details. all it [ph] it this either bit other from at from you've has and suggest achieved with years slow what when recent in earlier least seen would the accelerated what concern growth may flattening be seems be that or sounds

Mark Sutton

XX% the of between and again, works. it opinions demand. on back it's in Chip, box lot fundamental things negatives. like There's neighborhood of in right, we But the you're the as of can those. see innovate, play corrugated until chain, you we how X% Seok to different job actually right implement those role, initiatives supply our our positives as than we demand those do for if corrugated most see and net And more

Chip Dillon

been Okay. say of you where look as in versus there's rate And you change the couple last growth would from years real now at we any e-commerce? are

Mark Sutton

still really, holding Not No. solid it's double-digit. up

Chip Dillon

And as ones, just Okay. then a quick follow-up. two

chart. so period going you or it's seem You from information the China, I whole China just from seems most to can't one just a an had Is caution on think knowledge export to just that tell? murky, side stay board to the more that for be had China yellow, the would you fact with the from the weak the that would that be say, that indefinite

several then of can heard update long-term timing at question other is, And some projects, in you us of we've the Ilim about on years? just the next

Tim Nicholls

Yeah.

and shared Yeah, in most there that's remarks ground lot the places, of up for we current reported are It numbers is that we view. on see demand we in view it's in prepared inventory our from what the some customers sources. the comes region, the So a with part. on interact the

Chip Dillon

Okay.

Tim Nicholls

three the couple years forward. containerboard a starts before of anything project slowing start been Ilim, has market. on But to then approved. that's around will And It going X.X years,

Chip Dillon

you. Got you. Thank

Operator

will line come Our Jones, Deutsche Bank. from Debbie of next question the

Debbie Jones

morning. Good Hi.

Mark Sutton

Debbie. morning, Good

Debbie Jones

I to $XX in Industrial sequential of about up volume wanted Packaging. the guidance, million volume ask guidance

You in typically seasonal seen North the the least being move the in past, at we've American down business.

going So actually XQ to and sequential is e-commerce domestic about offset is have making weakness benefited this assumptions being seasonal I a less what box being fully into offset, that it? think we having your to by And are expert, where any shipments reached containerboard impact? for point way understand that? wanted Or

Tim Nicholls

Yeah.

I see think We'll it box on out. how anticipating the season. side, a we're strong plays

to expect We solid be place. e-commerce in a

export did We are quarter. have to positive up, also going so in in for that see is volume volume not export and we fourth our quarter impact pick way a to the demand and and starting second third that

Mark Sutton

fourth think at shipping still e-commerce people if few because data back peak the evening I proposition in has think, past their been times in the quarter. look fourth in would dropped quarter value and the Debbie, years, on quarter third out, shortened you I the over active the the last the off e-commerce question, are have

with it then the to even, some cycle. spilled And first return extent, the whole into quarter

of XXXX it demand, more if drop been that. to then off. less become the So even in started we probably see XXXX there's you continue out and less just remember and an the the peak, evening of right, that of And

Tim Nicholls

the had We just fourth. quarter The year other year. less third, one last fourth days year difference Debbie be two memory, to we've is versus this the and that in less days, got third may your thing in from in especially last the day

little So regard. better a than it's bit in

Debbie Jones

I I a benefit, wanted better model, of to improvement and a question talk bit you helpful. mentioned is second the that expecting any you you're focusing weren’t sequentially, And uptick in understand LIFO Okay. paper in operations Could really more understand paper. the And about just my my the bit in quarter. the cost materialize seasonal that LatAm Thanks. didn't of where have on that came from? didn’t most That's little as and

Tim Nicholls

to quarter the LIFO, that repeat and it we about. better so don't in on third fourth, we what in expect is fit that was had Easy comes that the the a

imports came programs through of pressured Printing And the seasonal segments where didn't have other There came inventory around certain but and just business, so demand, that in government from through, parts around America off buying in ship especially people On been Latin plenty of inventory export that pick some of delays Brazil up. position. were it's working late. Papers we the

Debbie Jones

turn over. Okay. Thanks. I’ll

Operator

from Goldman the of next Our come Sachs. Brian will line Maguire, question

Brian Maguire

Mark morning Tim. good and Hey,

Mark Sutton

Tim. Hey,

Brian Maguire

cost management in one. quarter, lot fiber moving there. slide a trends cost really on the strong but talked the pieces meaningful to about of the like wanted to a some was you of there, pretty XX, looks back It come input Just

you over the the I'm just guess, million fiber, average from with significant paying. right to in you're wood say that got benefit up cost lets the X%, on I to trying that the being ballpark square $XX

figure recycled maybe theorizing out to to trying other you answer in to of And really been. the earlier, bit factors Just maybe over that shifted little base a it? Is Or more there? how production little part questions could just that these of bit a virgin. have from

Tim Nicholls

Yeah. Tim. It's

battling been long. year wood we've cost all So

continuing of quarter rain quarter remember, late year this and into first tremendous and starting amount wet fourth weather year. the into you well last If

So, to and to it's that just the need a matter as we fiber. can of the inventory access that availability. mills maintain And for wood we buy being able kind of levels, intelligently have then

year all wood normalize. starting has probably pretty cost, It's piece We're course. to year, exit as to we more be of been normalized the the close a but a challenge long,

Brian Maguire

Okay.

were X% square cost average or down that. just the So they XQ, actually up to trying versus

Tim Nicholls

Slightly down. long. all down it We've been year managing

and exited the were last softwood. been And bit harder bring we really high Hardwood one hardwood that's year. been has down. to it's as little we So, a been

a had of success so. faster we've greater Softwood, degree

Brian Maguire

then And great. follow-up. my adjust Okay, for

of of that you Some quarters. will new the in couple a box business called out in, kick

or would Just legacy the have current versus business the impact mixed portfolio of you the just might wonder if portfolio? margins, your pricing could that, you describe comment on on and how

Tim Nicholls

Could part. we you didn't hear restate the first question? I'm sorry the

Brian Maguire

just some of box asking quarters. into I business taking next couple Yeah. of was called the new about out, the you that

maybe mix of would the How on same compare customers? margin. hear that that of interested pricing would portfolio Just just on what of kind be to to the you impact

Tim Nicholls

Yeah.

do there we We're probably think service quality. What for it's capability. out the bring pretty and customers? them? business winning The I we our we flat. How innovation on the

of neutral mix type equation. it's a So, pretty

Brian Maguire

very much. thanks Okay,

Operator

Wilde, will line question the from final today come our of Markets. Capital Dr. And Mark BMO

Mark Wilde

was Tim, this box morning, just points Chicago One PMI kind have on. five up Thanks. the now a couple is more of got we which to questions month-to-month. than up I've finish of

indicators about, you like I and that one about the your other between us you then, how Can got And on relationship think help boxes? question business? think box

Tim Nicholls

is called related. the see definitely or manufacturing I Yeah. didn't demand. yet. drives mean, Sure. it of is numbers; sort lag. there activity box are some Whether haven't what time It's out moment in it I to the I this

So there. there's to a got in moment time I and don't be that's if then reversion. relationship know

still as anticipating I our pickup But, strong in we're said, and volume, fourth quarter. we pretty a October saw

how see we'll So, it plays out.

Mark Sutton

time. important I I from U.S., index and in manufacturing in disruption those supply data think a mean, things -- enough simply things lot And it to the like is as let purchasing an chain to got lot you've thing, input to Mark, got of give the is related out the on it to managers it to GM model. on we've many of the play auto but strike. our a demand

Mark Wilde

converting wondered new how capacity, new it coming think about market. just about And seems converting you impact like I capacity into the lot because of is the a of other one Okay. the there is

competitors to into private name also lot adding in a the capacity. some you've bringing these and you've that plants building few, -- got capacity then and are box of kind Just D Indiana. public a box-propalable And got of Smith France, a domestic the mega market. building

about So flat or of do market demand demand? the effect what how you in And of in think kind are it how plays you from all seeing this? out, flattish especially

Mark Sutton

needs on needs because what to making. the of product, one you're to empty is the of converting It of be, the be with issue the think to close I tenants boxes the demand nature centers. that

add you case, and for have we what so where our is we customers desire learning capacity to the see it. in sometimes And

have actually close use use out capacity clear be the but we then We a country customer. capacity, have shipped and to across capacity it to that and to could just take and may or do not that whatever do the will the

into and But in that about us, adding. capabilities how something And people is. add transformation can't actually it it's think is. we companies near where of and capacity about last growth step all I our containerboard speak for that or is Converting value for are So, buy. these building that's our customers

Mark Wilde

next into the luck quarter as in year. move Good Okay. fourth we and

Mark Sutton

Thank you, Mark.

Operator

for I'd over to the now closing comments. like Guillermo Gutierrez call to turn

Guillermo Gutierrez

again Paper's International Call. Earnings Third Thank you joining for Quarter

will As follow-up available questions. be you. Thank always, I for Michele your and

Operator

for International participating in Paper Thank you Call. again today's Conference XXXX Day Quarter Third Earnings

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