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Operator

Welcome to the Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. My name is Sylvia, and I'll be operator for today's call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Alicia Charity. begin. may you Alicia,

Alicia Charity

good to and Quarter Financial's Earnings Call. morning. you, Ameriprise Welcome Second Thank

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James Cracchiolo

joining for us this thanks morning. and everyone, Hello,

Recent year. Ameriprise had continues I improve another how the at release, good about in performing saw you overall, hopeful economy equity environment putting we're But lot reopens more as feel the in there's to and U.S. remain recovery. some and the as strong are our a on pressure As The we quarter, Europe's look in in be spikes markets virus for point the ahead. to fully strong. this

to to billion on generate I consider through organic driving completed $XXX our of capital-light another our excellent we across and fourth we're capital We close strong quarter. businesses productivity of ended April track in delivered which and we businesses flows EMEA acquisition high. landscape, management further to well in advances mix fee-based to across regard with executing capital in another announced growth business, assets to administration As recent $X.X shareholder wealth and with BMO's trillion, client strong the this the frees up in of included quarter under approximately more lower new our million management This freeing our is asset fixed XX% our the Life up asset businesses, value. growth capital than excess up in and management wealth reinsurance And asset shift system. strategic annuity With quarter. and and moves, $XX RiverSource of management we and management transaction. This inflows

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to coming important us personally part an People with extensive and by are investments high-quality engaging experience leading-edge are be technology. capabilities. and advice strategic continue our high satisfaction a Our clients Client what doing. remains Ameriprise through to for of backed digital we're

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take it I'll to Now Walter questions. your over and turn then

Walter Berman

EPS Thank adjusted very you, up Jim. Ameriprise with firm results financial XX% across the strong operating to $X.XX. delivered

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Operator

Instructions]. [Operator

from comes UBS. from Brennan question Hawken first Our

Brennan Hawken

a just on insurance one here. quick So

insurance Now from It that of sale particularly opportunity insurance for the your the business? some annuity rest the there's run the further are up assets? and to these to monetize of How that certain about demand though should plans capitalize managers you we got fixed what a potential asset on business. decent you've think as offer the to of announced, seems alternative insurance for demand, amount

James Cracchiolo

this Jim. So is

as -- were which part successful we beginning we remaining focus As doing was book, that just annuity of the you said, at -- was of completed July to think the execute July. in first our fixed really in our we that,

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fixed we're So the at now future. that constantly to your looking we'll point, as we see transaction. And may the annuity opportunities what in completed arise

Brennan Hawken

then quite there, And The in XQ. success building quarter in organic AWM. strong another shifting really on gears, good, growth Okay.

a bit some of you is So components some reporting of be really its to of more compensation yield-oriented, me, this would metrics. some for including firm more maybe little revenue, bit marketplace? little some a Distribution really in that a wealth competitors the comparison Ameriprise Have part core. underscores being allow are management clean these at considered line adjusting the that in distribution AWM with expense. wealth management reporting the providing that or And enhanced on

some probably to legacy Just the don't these management metrics more the of the really to the firm of make that comparisons firms. tied insurance for easiest are wealth that

consider? looked something whether or just curious so that's you've you'd or is at not something And

James Cracchiolo

Yes.

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come So with but industry, other both we're some to doing we're we that able things but doing now, and consistent with a as that out also sure we'll that is in move way we forward, that we're to make it appropriately. just report the want that

Operator

next Our Blostein Sachs. from Alex question Goldman from comes

Alexander Blostein

maybe little EMEA wanted I a BMO start asset deeper first, acquisitions. on So management of update bit a with to

working is heard that little is time now the close and had an Jim business? Columbia that great think And more flow update in you sort guys the margins of to pretax integrated kind you're with look of maybe is But which through So in and quarter. expected revenues Threadneedle? to the maybe how fully like transaction, these positive, transaction on fourth once going still run eventually saying you a rate bit that just the you've margins

James Cracchiolo

Yes.

you privacy you a different as you're than as We already access to imagine, do information have a acquisition and Alex, in contract limitations underlying much Europe. U.S. would little of normally deal all international being a in in not sort in where would in there. thought the marketplace So as the of because have

run us So the the detailed other little much details rates what at in it absolutes sort consider then with we the and to up to a delay we're really to of what look a come bit look in things. underline really more that, and of a the various aspects able of expenses, a synergies gives at combination equation of would

going that not we we're that's point usual, time. required at it's all wait it's this to So what we're -- have And to know but is a one bit. that in just

will you provide we for that information to So as definitely we continue to that. gain

at don't that holding not we that could we're just really it we that level would it. It's the change. feel have So something disclosing more comfortable

Alexander Blostein

Got you. All We'll for right. stay that. tuned

James Cracchiolo

say It's we something that good on. that just can That's don't not it. not about to accurately more feel it's -- we reporting be

Alexander Blostein

I got you. I hear you.

between on you of some G&A of rest and level, Asset maybe moving But of building are Ameriprise off a $XXX-ish think about there in outlook given should Walter, for run management just like firm-wide the your question, and know pressures pieces into Management. of holistically inflationary as evidence at think Second million I view the G&A of kind the there's in for rate asset How XXXX, we even maybe second year quarter. and that? things that compensation AWM

Walter Berman

Okay.

First, let off. me start

I the results growth. in expenses think revenue to good have continue going to managing expect growth. we're at We quarter, and a as we forward way correlated the we pretty that disciplined do certainly for our strong are look second to revenue going

manage So we that The development -- disciplined to would in therefore, it that going are expenses -- are -- the other we at this start and say will to but a spending correlate I will Alex, that stage, things. we way. and in seeing thing is

the to we're don't we and but right could top the to -- year. going will now, expenses to the certainly you standpoint, see it's money about, measured. do you to underlying with last not approach continue expect being increase they're our So going normal that this are but pressures compensation But as disciplined it. we it's spend talked from year managed, that be a see our of could we be versus we well performance the But that -- Certainly, just characteristics And see having. yet. performance up, the is as inflationary prudent, inflation because

Alexander Blostein

guys a bit what seems it sneak ways give versus the Can second way. curious I little If But those loans Sort outlook to and bank. definitely first in one was quarter? just about yield of in quarter in growth pledge like a for the point the Great. was there those. Jim, about and a guys in bit bank's that made you you unique balance of in us the earning could more of the of you in loans future grow NII the the one I a the are

James Cracchiolo

of I don't Walter, I... in me. have that front

Walter Berman

have the it operate in basically don't I No, And partner the do now, a with growing. is the a we third-party is share way certain expense. we pay -- our right underwriting and the --

there number the potential I is the have don't very stage. at So growth at good. just hand this

James Cracchiolo

the it more in we this since Alex, system to out. rolled really quarter And last of launched year, fully percolate. the across just fourth It's we starting

very what over think early us. as in think probably be I say be still I nicely and area So based innings, in, well I But the where it on would one probably balances early growing growth I nice will would say will the is that we're hopefully, larger in a but fits as stages, appetite for some to but it's that's time. that

Operator

Erik Our from Research. next question comes from Bass Autonomous

Erik Bass

AWM. Can are a about from? seeing wrap flows you And where and activity? talk coming the Starting with client more bit for the outlook you the trends transactional of most

James Cracchiolo

contracts. So consistent we of longer-term sort saw -- particularly what is I last the on a low pickup period, think after year's

you sales our as whether which has up I Solutions picked maybe VUL or a Protection it's So activity our & benefits. product of mean structured no even it's or saw Retirement product, living RAVA strongly, our really

for actually clients, in-person you and you transactions our even And and advisers more environment comfortable think of as has the that a nicely. picked remote to ability now the market in look at the executing the at combination so with type and of feel I up look environment those

as well. we both had And activity, transaction and up there pick through other periods. good there activity all we to wrap for generally see these Now in

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it's don't combination I one think particular. those think factors. I in there's of a So

balanced are just environment, they In income. for that markets, return now of holistically. -- more call think get particularly a time, yield from rates the do, not interest diversify and more overreliance same is looking looking do on not portfolios we equity that it wrap the at do there I fixed but people level pretty our with how low a on for we just so the would what well program,

I And of last of a don't all half so if the year as of from saw, you the factors. it combination part but know I your answers first through those continued year. that think latter question, this it's

Erik Bass

guess about was sustainability organic thinking growth of the I just I Yes. the rate. it. Got

do So you the need there's or powder into drive existing still assets platform? think from dry wrap it into is more you some flows to new transitioning where coming clients

James Cracchiolo

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Erik Bass

interest upside? the -- impact guess, on your to anything you What versus terms tightening the just of And rates in and certificate sensitivity higher then mitigate And interest quick of low low to the has to we are a on start changed see doing, mentioned products? hand, cycle the Okay. other you last rates I one if impact do of the bank rates, there.

James Cracchiolo

No.

do, little the of of going the with bank it what more I inflation if may for fact, let at feel or what there, hit Walter actual the potential rates I'll we or hit do low like there's we -- we go of back not Fed you're the or is looking is a bit of In what speak looks we're I discussed doing think with complement a mean, whether to like that. up, sort it to point. rates not to there

Walter Berman

we're bank duration XXX. obviously, an placed sweep you being look than So the We're new if putting because, at points. now is basis very now more the opportunistic is credit. on at money account obviously, XX And rates, -- emphasis our

see you you certainly So picking about extend not more we seizing there sheet. but investing that credit, out prudent play should balance to on will and on anticipate sweet the upon to up spread. money be it, to opportunity be And

Operator

next Barnidge comes Piper Sandler. question from from Our John

John Barnidge

in completely experience the normalized care I Or you it know to the do XQ would $X say in on second you down comes call. back in 'XX quarter, about long-term With million March, that's levels? earnings it more? think was

Walter Berman

Yes. Thanks, Walter. it's

numbers months make yes, So the don't a pre-COVID month, situation. But X seeing listen, X trend. the certainly we're Yes. that are returning to

John Barnidge

then about cost how follow-up, should extended Great. And and Okay. the to my an efforts be thinking fixed left reduce with we timing annuity transaction?

Walter Berman

part Well, okay, as of our program.

the feel the the comfortable expense again, that and also within is fixed the upon had in reengineering as We allocation base we annuities are RPS we'll and our able be certainly to stranded evaluate that firm. it manageable always evaluating do the we that based cost, from reengineering the product across and neutralize elements

So of neutralize will able to be the it. majority we

Operator

Lee Hung-Fai comes Dowling & question from next Partners. from Our

Hung-Fai Lee

to AWM on up activities. follow Just

do strong that But of would transactional actions falls it, attribute the you activities. pent-up -- how you about you've as Given rep you and how And that from year think demand much that forward? that productivity about taken? versus think gains since going the to the last

James Cracchiolo

Yes.

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Hung-Fai Lee

think sustainable or favorable that the conditions at the like term? near the to for sounds be be level way in term at it activities of the right kind current least market least about at should stable, Is least it? near that So to continue if

James Cracchiolo

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quarter, have. no continuation what first but the crystal in said we we of I good ball, as again, feel so about And the

Hung-Fai Lee

was the asset adding it. at second to the the the mix. the BMO your will conditions related segments, would margin kind at time, why question not remain favorable lower business given margin block likely reason stable, But Threadneedle in the market overall range to very low My margin if Got management. forward? this The quarter. is going for same any the clearly Columbia of remain percent But mid-XXs

James Cracchiolo

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Hung-Fai Lee

Okay.

leverage operating like turn Threadneedle, Columbia kind of as get So -- you still if around. that but can it for there's more you will sounds

Operator

Our from comes Suisse. next from question Andrew Crédit Kligerman

Andrew Kligerman

on up Advice about to Maybe last & just Hung-Fai's follow Wealth. question quickly

before wrap billion ago or more double a So around sitting north or cash actually. seen that, billion years are we $X have the flows you're than row, X numbers $XX plus double in for the These X of would in in at pandemic. quarters

So to is just want new normal. I make the sure this

James Cracchiolo

question. mean you're it And of compare sometimes activity I think think, prior Andrew, I just to that an the right. of when I it's here quarters saw Well, listen level little excellent year. we a we or

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just into as So we that's wrap. amount sitting though it's the and it moved lowered in not cash

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Andrew Kligerman

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Walter Berman

Andrew, it's Walter.

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Andrew Kligerman

Awesome. And maybe lastly. just

will excess the the of bit be doing annuity might after So you're completed. and that -- the round possibility sense gets you around back XX%. BMO and capital half sense the about the that next year? $X Any ramp payout block billion of Any and year in of a up of fixed trip a ratio great

James Cracchiolo

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Operator

Gallagher next Tom Evercore. from Our from comes question

Tom Gallagher

closing earnings forward? how following indication deal. -- of about FA corporate? First for the think should going through is And give what to the we impact the of we are going negative question, be going flowing Walter, corporate can just an The the see on, to amortization seed some you

Walter Berman

Sure.

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James Cracchiolo

Yes.

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Walter Berman

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get in to that it's other the in million pretty quarter, of you look 'XX, and a as probably to to when pretty it much equal going will amortization So it, range. the close out $XX something aspects

James Cracchiolo

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Tom Gallagher

That I Walter, noncash? And and that's does, that's that's presume -- yes. --

Walter Berman

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James Cracchiolo

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Tom Gallagher

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James Cracchiolo

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Operator

comes next Suneet from Our from question Kamath Citi.

Suneet Kamath

what is in, for of And I would guys think, you about advisers, wanted I said to I XX there's to second. a go brought mentioned Jim, you back which AWM normally you that some had know you talk could focus in do half the experienced you do. kind to of can per XX-ish environment recruiting the quarter but -- you get about back competitive you think adviser near plus et for reopening, kind of cetera, advisers? term? that on

James Cracchiolo

Yes, Suneet.

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Suneet Kamath

Okay. That makes sense. And then few questions. just a production quick

a Can And much then in First asset the versus from sense channels? retail North of How it American I'll of us the give the business. in growth terms A&WM of you follow-up management where on is third-party A&WM. have intermediaries? is coming for a

James Cracchiolo

Yes.

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Suneet Kamath

production. makes last then That sense. And one on I Okay. the had

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James Cracchiolo

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Operator

further you This this Thank no conference. time. today's participating. at concludes have gentlemen. for you, ladies questions and We Thank

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Ameriprise Financial (AMP) 27 Jul 212021 Q2 Earnings call transcript