Shaw Jared - Q
trying what in everybody. dynamics or environment guess the self-imposed at beginning just growth your pressure loan then low changed? morning, on the at Good starting XXXX. more credit was that you see about the some Was What's growth that whole tying changing? out? of just mid-single-digit was dynamic those downs do net the the change to there you then for your weaker the loan you it and Kevin, year XXXX? loan to most with comment were look I what's call, of as to And Thanks. talking the loans it expectation and as move more saw maybe and how challenging for growth you pay for challenging and
A - Kevin Riley
We kind points, of thing of hit the a job. lot is strange year Jared. that The this Nice a year. was
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behind think asset cleaned effectively we've and Our quality, I of us. up that's kind
Our $XX stick under that We're down more with us. any portfolio have runoff, that's behind million, us. so headwinds won't
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think with little things our some them on that a these projects. they're out business behind of we're are more and because to starting I move seeing bit confidence there partners forward
go of had call; to weren't going. talked earnings a the in moving quarter, economy about where our how because last confidence they projects forward we but you lack If lot funded people I is back
I I think think we're has some of that nicely. moving And improved. forward
move pandemic I be So we we virus I and If can have this will feel XXXX continue kind forward year think doesn't the market. don't to just any better. explode, our for continue that good environment to of-- is a
headwinds think us I looks brighter. are lot future kind and a all the the behind of So
Q - Jared Shaw
Marcy, up side, to quarter, down -- most when should about here guess Thanks of that's is And talked sure on tech some back efficiency professional expect we from system guidance you beyond the go for your this that that to the ratio roll of fees expense or color. mentioned just for or others going the that will on I growth where that you the of the of minimum some teller as the come see initiatives wage? raising and those in the
A - Marcy Mutch
over. technology kind bring have of managed is increases, expenses their the increases back costs just in but our We increases really increase general contractual that of salary to we've which some down. driving That
professional stay flat kind We year. of fees expect for to this
to don't So I increases see there. we're think going any again, real
and of managing bit So salary just increases. little on then of FTEs costs. the normal a kind the But technology increase
Riley - A Kevin
The up fees, bit costs a with they like spent Dealing is come a XXXX. normally that in technology thing do. lot little overall professional we
So we the believe XXXX less We did flat. XXXX. don't levels increasing since invest over the than year. be spend in we XXXX a lot this will the see About it
A Marcy - Mutch
So think, just our again, increase merit your being to overall total X.X% raises I normal to raises pretty hold employees of able give light expenses and having to in good. is
Q - Jared Shaw
thanks. Okay,
banking mortgage finally, I So just looking the into the seasonality and quarter? at the guess, then the end at first everything for what's going and into pipeline me; of the looking how's holidays going year
- Riley Kevin A
little slow. a It's
always we above forward. is activity still going some quarter will going first people the be would there. in see we're say to rates the the in move But seeing be I it's that that But production not some as not with way to the robust and refinancing they quarter. slow. First are, it's with It's the summertime.
- A Marcy Mutch
it help nice could keeps If seeing this bit. are up, little We a weather. some
be this is overall, compared mortgage should the we next think year. revenue it flat to again, where banking fairly So year
Kevin Riley - A
degrees in is January in Montana pretty nice. XX
Q - Jared Shaw
Thanks, All great. lots right, of color.
Operator
Rulis question. comes question from with ahead go Jeff from Davidson. DA Please your next Our
Q Rulis - Jeff
pricing kind color of mentioned the large kind could loan on demand digging but -- challenges, Morning. a footprint the deeper Kevin, Montana the the appreciate characterize dynamics growth given versus dynamics markets. you of the Western your and little you if with
more you assuming if Just you're in in demand sort touch out terms could competition of seeing just that'd footprint in I'm of growth what west be you're interested but seeing helpful. that pricing, on
Kevin - A Riley
kind is interesting. pricing Loan of
and credits extremely credits the better larger gets tight. to go pricing you As
willing take looking to are people nice think pricing. with and I big they're for lower hits credit
we middle We go business, we we we're loan core get is on do. but if want market deals I which to in But keep with don't it's look the spread those less to Is and our do just But where that stay are normally But small-middle bigger that on business, we looking make deals, and that, the but can maintain small when any best we the say or doing at against continue people put on spreads. would small spreads just will market, really at deals, larger what just west more find sense. is don't to tight. trying we volume.
why lot out don't putting eroding. there's no people their margins cost out use I is eroding. funds, at think many your margin When brainpower spreads you are to to a -- so XXX wonder need the you're of figure why of
Q Rulis Jeff -
Thanks. can't it. Marcy, missed dynamic on maybe I remember, the on I the margin. The --
I XX look basis you point basis XX that's makeup interest could If XXX accretion in what guess recovery? the reported the the you of of was core, that points kind at and XXX and was out break what If possible, number.
A Mutch - Marcy
You bet.
had we charged payoff points X related basis We accretion. up interest. X points basis X early due regular had and point to to basis So
Rulis Q - Jeff
Got margin of more the from try your any, on it. to kind let's maintain that outlook XXXX? into core Is as we XXX on of perspective? it And commentary a, guess, I get then
A - Marcy Mutch
into to be be It but That's think bounce or might margin XXXX. we're we down believe point hard that two relatively We maintain. what core stable basis should that going going stable. a working to it's
Riley Kevin - A
maybe the We the some book, also CD stable. it pace in a be maybe on first be repricing We impacted but which have but pressures some a quarter. pretty is little believe basis the a relief at bit point should have margin on that CECL might we by our great
Rulis Jeff - Q
Thank you.
Operator
comes Matthew Sandler. go Clark question ahead from question. your next Please Piper from Our with
Matthew Clark - Q
Good morning.
deposit? here. may the costs, deposit spot at just rate decline on the interest-bearing us you give the start You Can slow to end of mentioned year the
Mutch Marcy - A
On basis deposits interest-bearing XX rate points.
Clark Q - Matthew
I to haven't drag the yet. and And done be then liquidity excess continued math more of a has Okay.
points cost was quarter. assume it here think quarter. X last I more a little this basis you I it
Mutch Marcy - A
pushing that The XXX. XX closing are so We're on the we pushing down. it on we're down, days very to it be part and growth is on not loan today lower adding number because hard securities that ago, that we're X%; seeing going was focused
get So lift we'll will get we see there. we some hiccup what can there but
talked CDs, Kevin about in the running with deposits of about As time the XX% our just are off quarter. first
So If those rate those offering is XX our basis the rate XXX. average we on deposits, maintain points. current is
be we pick again, see there as well. up to some So should able
Q Clark - Matthew
And this Okay. then, I year? guess, what's your accretion estimate for
A Mutch - Marcy
about Accretion should be $X.X quarter. million per
Clark Q - Matthew
Okay. And that's CDI guide the of XX%, efficiency all in. not amortization? excluding then That's
- A Marcy Mutch
excluding is amortization. CDI It
Matthew Q - Clark
It is okay, you. that Thank helps.
Operator
Our from comes with go question. next Stephens. your Maguire question ahead from Please Gordon
Q - Maguire Gordon
morning. Good
the small last Kevin's the to efficiency. revenue about to Just on XX% issues this been any in about but I And you've efficiency like of of color prepared a talking talked can it remarks there? it's following wondering, what's lower a on it's XX% guidance XX%. sounds end to little the give bit maybe a year. the pretty being changed similar after I'm expense quarter given But what side? change you know Marcy, just closer you
Mutch - Marcy A
I our two quarter acquisitions. think have revenues from we're to of another going
growth year. We're our do We non-interest expecting this are growth expecting to around in loan some mid-single-digit income.
the efficiency should we help and think side. leverage that us just I So on ratio operating get
A - Kevin Riley
of budgeting higher our little we completed gave work. point that. hadn't a guidance from XX of But is kind the Just XX, we
what everything number I exactly dug be. better. and mine is that have now decide deeply like guess have it's we and feel in going we We to
be there. to So it's right going around
asset starting closer thing head I toward try we're think goal to XXX. ratio that to expense to of our We're to continue our the and is to that and looking goal. down that we reduce bring
our to be operating possibly leverage. going about get expenses we sadly, We're But the good the feeling we're revenues can increasing headwinds Revenue levels. everything So do introduce but are higher. are there. to going expense to
the of headwinds really ahead us. might Just be
A - Marcy Mutch
the fourth got quarter and at If expenses, our back ratio. you XX% out efficiency look to we acquisition the just
Maguire Gordon - Q
over you that little think bit provisioning. and CECL I Great. back a Marcy, have may Could again? the misheard. the discussion I go
A - Marcy Mutch
XX%, expect $X.XX lower the each between allowance provision expect we terms expense quarter. to increase And someplace so we this levels it land for million credit So come and in there. be of in our in then in we to expect our around of year, recoveries, and XX%
Q - Gordon Maguire
Okay.
I thought of $X.XX million. said Sorry, you had increase an
it's absolute. So
- Marcy A Mutch
total in No, per quarter. $X.XX million
Gordon McGuire - Q
Okay, performance quarter? impacts in the thoughts the it thank And lastly, valuation then on your stock couple so the your or months any thinking around year M&A just changes for you. current last and prospects since Kevin, last how whether given repurchases this
A - Kevin Riley
a them is as all And we leverage grow let's the and capital to of conversations -- think thing of and with that about shareholders all, institutions. lot group combine the fit regards think be up, of premiums, are pull the I to have because of going virgin a to to actually, forward conversations -- in a announce know, going going acquisitions deal about want are just on, Well, We regards both more there's you but for we regards with lot levels conversations to lot stuff. there's less I it turning as we interesting first what utilization. talk that, healthy, the on I sense of and a we're makes down don't a think
So, made to book have tangible it's about -- value I think being healthy discussions focused along not and they're and they're payback. to big premium are a that trying
happening was a we'll there's So are conversations four I lot would very ago. tell but and you see more interesting I then, think productive what happening months world happens. that an It's they
Gordon - Q McGuire
then repurchases? And thoughts on updated
A Kevin - Riley
believe is than capital effective payback of less than at five our year we this TAM repurchases is more value points the We year our shareholders. a value price we our try gives of repurchases limit book stock book to have a don't Repurchases, use dilution. what right we at now is us tangible return, so until the it most for see five
shareholders we and there this options. our it to we are But levels we all the alternatives need return stock looking of down we're our other at juncture at to that and our buy we that can So to back. hope really doesn't drop capitals
Q McGuire - Gordon
thank Great, you.
Operator
with next go Bohlen Jackie question comes KBW. from your from Please ahead Our question.
Jackie - Q Bohlen
bumpy I banking wanted that, but income bit. about some items. then good in from morning. in just know those at that impact just seasonal quarter? go just of the non-interest mortgage that a I talked and was I line Hi, know item on a volume could there we but we're your you be the to down the slowdown into And just lower I little expectations into for to was drill wondered line XQ looking the income see year? little other other the expected can bit if just going also side. what
- Marcy Mutch A
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of and So down. drives that's going what kind up that
our next we of terms rest be year they'll of up overall X%. believe fee really based do revenues, the In that about
Jackie Bohlen - Q
you of flat expect? inclusive Okay. And the that banking that's mortgage roughly
Marcy - Mutch A
Yes.
Q - Jackie Bohlen
already you. everything I thank Okay, discussed. been And is you. had else Thank
Riley Kevin - A
Thanks, Jackie.
Operator
from Garrett comes question next question. ahead Please from with go Holland your Baird. our And
Holland Garrett - Q
morning. good and Thanks
growth appetite a for with gauge to loan rates? had the portfolio asset here current securities income, securities these spread growth, stabilizes line earnings just you think liquidity you Just deploying would or follow-up your and do in on expect at trying trend to
Mutch Marcy - A
that lessons being excess loan that growth. depend we this liquidity of get diligent work. we're loans. It we're We're securities will all hoping in make put to to sure to But more putting on
second and first growth, put investment then portfolio. our growth, second, we quality order loan it in our So businesses loan order
all. because this hoping virus Just help they'll us disappears soon
Q - Holland Garrett
elaborate on I in you Idaho a to maybe of was the driver expectations and could growth bright guess recently. in the see it's growth northwest a hoping a XXXX? you what opportunity bigger your in market been your for I spot are more bit in growth the clearly market, that
Riley Kevin - A
the get to with digits doing double in the single which that. the Oregon's single a to The really growth digits. digits strong outskirts look but Idaho growth is which and very they're say could been going be on great. to doing in great high expansion. good XX into those markets strong our because digit going city, XXXX. would it's high lane strong; in Everything be we it's I has Coral Washington west doing right double is of know, being and great, markets feel you is the and Spokane, or
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little a to look bit have a Wyoming Wyoming, of We kind is flat. be drag of going we at when but
single be higher probably looking the in for Montana low then the Montana, growth mean Dakota, digits, I West. we're And know, You South mid.
we So to have Montana. continue Wyoming it's really to drag and the really West regards not in and grow with a
was digits just Our last good Montana of should West the and that because year, be the drag it real Wyoming grew of in growth upper that had down. not pulled in the rate they the growth mean, single I
will our get and good to feel we just footprints grow can growth. strongly legacy have the that we little a that loan So continue come bit West up will
Q Holland - Garrett
the are here quick higher expectations rate one detail. on in that expected And for XXXX? QX, a then I than guess Thanks is your bit tax what for
A Mutch Marcy -
and the the level, about as people little around benefits for right from be there's that for tax always it's XX% overall year think XXXX we options, know, XX%. of the will that investing rate beginning a bit lower of kind but the year some exercise You there, at
Holland Garrett - Q
That's great. for the Thanks taking question.
Operator
a from Piper question next our from follow-up Clark Sandler. Matthew And is
- Clark Q Matthew
business quarter? ones. we new what off on paid to two this Just relative One, quick trade never just
Marcy - Mutch A
on the business. the weighted was average new XXX rate
Q Matthew Clark -
picked situation. in I’m credit And how for but working potentially then the get improvement resolving of Okay. this at trying up? upgrades by just guess guess I for much guys when stuff quality nice driven decline criticized. here, that out to was in the how just much that quarter, I was change sense of rate look selling you or you a of
A - Kevin Riley
is those, upgrades, worked out we no us, like they They which door. with say, they of the saw longer most Most, it. the were are way and weren't
Clark - Q Matthew
this any sell non-performers you Did quarter?
Riley - A Kevin
know, we my I at Chief Risk, looking did any non-performers? don't sell I'm
A - Gaglia Philip
all It working successful. No, was we were any out not that non-performers. sell did strategies
Q - Matthew Clark
to is Is of more that or pace just or the of that continue kind that a expected kind is year-end? trend
- A Kevin Riley
mean So there. I news not good we We that pace. continue that that working But inflows if much that the that. and down. is lucky are get left. know don't to you I don't have we're going The continue
to be not less continue the inflows they there. have should so where at we'll are outflows, at or to continue because they're So
Clark Matthew - Q
Thank Great. you.
Operator
remarks. that Ladies turn to and like closing call back question-and-answer for end over point, At I'd with today's any gentlemen, this conference the session. we'll
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Kevin Riley
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