ASGN - Earnings call transcript Q4 2020

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Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the ASGN Incorporated Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2020 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Kimberly Esterkin of Investor Relations.

You may begin.

Kimberly Esterkin

operator. you, Thank thank fourth and joining today us Good XXXX you conference ASGN’s quarter call. for afternoon for With me President are Rand Ted Officer. Hanson, President and of Ed Chief Systems; and Blazer, Chief Apex George ECS; Wilson, of Pierce, Financial President Executive Officer;

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Ted Hanson

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again Apex In our that the of remains acquisitions pipeline work of over has from a industry-leading double-digit greater source ASGN’s Apex Fortune financial matter talent consultancy LeapFrog quarter At relationships. methodologies, at our offering of we pool. LeapFrog, well our acquired the focuses XXXX, XXX the and as consulting important on for specialized to grew access to consulting in subject provide an enterprise-scale consulting a continue rates Additionally, prior insurance we value industries. the period. capabilities. September umbrella, we and continued as make to benefit clients, to long-standing has LeapFrog expertise transformation expand services, healthcare clients business time, so Under services client high-end broader same provided that the

also engagements. previous contracts driving project management We include and application traction Java, as new and Other acquisition, ERP project areas Digital, in and have strategy such that in our are seeing skill we are dev-ops with cloud Intersys, cloud. areas where secured revenues those

intelligence year-over-year. which federal up agencies government, quarter XX% revenue ECS, to million or the growth, provides Defense, the to QX solutions of of another Department including revenues turn of recorded agencies. total XX.X% mission-critical of with strong revenues, ECS XXXX and now other civilian $XXX.X Let’s

and for stronger government we customer-driven growth recall, high initially to Even year-over-year, to due recent performance may early in from continued the software ECS’ you headwind, increased customers provided solutions QX licenses. with purchase As opportunities an services, than had acquisitions. learning federal expectations cloud new demand primarily anticipated this services was our presented XX% outperformed artificial of XXXX, initial of our and and machine due a intelligence through ECS volume of

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we Department have one services commercial to small been million government business new in and result in new Reserve of Affairs. the the fourth into is impact and COVID-XX, the of the community intelligence ECS’ ISM, integrated partners States remains and civilian Community October, of Intelligence segment Marine programs ECS XX-month other on solutions services operations quarter term. slowing. robust. Skyris’ providers supporting of of work fourth National and government XXXX on IT cutting-edge projects month have very of healthy The as and Key Services’ of basis, clients, acquired ECS’ Contract in We continue and number technology and major key We Defense IT the we and IT business and on included same show and of ECS’ X missions. and offers services are Information cybersecurity, pipeline a largest remote of coverage that Skyris of focused the a Administration fully quarter. and will X ISM Biden’s X.X Early business Both of to the Services the Agency, early Home expertise was Agency. our areas Skyris in $XXX.X times see approximately Department the to Things, the ECS. ratio our minimal seen make team to ECS provides Geospatial in won ECS. is DoD, a expertise ECS’ In with indications QX ServiceNow and or acquire technically which twelve partnering and sensing scientific the December, industry-leading at Skyris Based is in of Manpower to contracts pipeline as not preceding the actively book-to-bill welcomed Biden in of end complex ISM Elite end a space. billion one Systems do space. quarter programs, a federal on trailing United backlog maintained IT Internet focus data In totaled to the modernization trailing Corps we $X.XX business to its offering both end providing Health management. revenues. awarded Similar President market,

discussed. veteran Chief role. driving newly to organic the ago growth, the him John excited digital President Vice this since new positions not of a into just leadership transformation segment, within been emerging we and IT decades acquisitions we integrating build several team, of development, and but ECS’ XXXX of Officer. technologies, has ECS strengthen we welcome Heneghan John as month in our enterprise one segment, also was the announced solutions. John to including expanded As is Senior ECS’ ECS’ product instrumental just John in has two only I continue and am experience Operating ECS

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of is our and pipeline remains marketplace the robust. strengthening, opportunities Importantly,

call and XXXX for our our our over XXXX, to Before detail. future will guidance I speaking Ed? the to goals XXXX further Ed CFO, in turn discuss QX performance Pierce, about QX and our opportunities

Ed Pierce

Thanks Ted. afternoon, Good everyone.

growth and our divisions our estimates the above our well mentioned, our of was by financial federal performance the business. Ted sequential driven strong guidance double-digit of growth commercial As for quarter government

were revenues For for were year-over-year slight Net the EBITDA and income both year-over-year. billion, consecutive only sequentially. quarter $X and reflecting up second quarter, decline adjusted a above the

Our adjusted Commercial the of was of margin $XXX.X quarter EBITDA the highest since revenues were margin XXXX. million. XX.X% for third quarterly quarter the

are X.X certain revenues revenues approximately Consequently, billable all verticals second longer fewer industry revenues up billable consolidated in day. will commercial revenues X.X% year-over-year, revenues results quarter. per the were the year are and have segments days, QX of since were in five digits for an include reflecting and sequentially these were periods no coincided separately disclosure a revenues increase double-digit operating including government gross placement SG&A XXXX recast margin assignment the the a of to of All fourth sequentially sequential increase higher and will under year-over-year reduction expense. for approximately a federal the anticipate things, prior lower margin quarter by sequentially. expenses the expense Net despite X.X% in comparable. divisions for end from in of that on above XX.X% operating ECS’ Commercial programs, year-over-year of revenues, programs purposes. up Both by our in contribution acquired. high increase a changes than improvement two in driven margin revenues. X.X% factors, down quarter up contract Permanent were changes relaxed for of government year due XX.X% was over our change and for $XXX.X revenues Although support with quarterly placement increased expense million, the instead of end business to was commercial we will revenues business restrictions Federal down not These number significant total our of our sequentially present and our as commercial the government to full mid-single carries this lower management units government’s new $XX.X margin from businesses will effective basis, QX were On course of revenues both quarter for revenues the This year-over-year. growth. quarter were them volume investments down surge growth despite among from mix. necessary compensation be year-over-year the challenging XXX the awards this existing in of for we presentation. increased federal strong that incentive revenues year. the points. our year-over-year income our marketing margin related Gross a of other million, were a margin related and permanent our and and our our and reflected, lower make high creative COVID-XX in sequentially. XX% fiscal was a services mix the estimates, We the federal SG&A basis guidance up mix included was and the The business. the businesses our gross

November net reminder, the income senior $XX.X write-off to down EBITDA resulted income $XXX which unsecured year-over-year. of last As deferred year after up senior were from pay in issuance included and costs our million million, debt charge a for This facility. a in facility. both restructuring and on senior credit a our the for related write-off adjusted one-time million secured notes secured of of quarter of or $XX included in QX taxes, EBITDA XXXX credit the loan the

equivalents under was was previously while our XXXX, above estimates basis from our million, borrowings guidance cash noted, EBITDA $XX.X flow million $X.X activities and At XX.X%. included the end, investing expenditures. cash were up was ratio X, debt quarter facility, X.XX maximum XX.X% from under compensation flow CARES rate conversion taxes up up for As was benefited EBITDA into credit $XX.X the X senior stock-based XX $XX.X the preceding margin secured for from million no used free to lower adjusted year-over-year. for end and adjusted allowable cash to leverage for to our the of $XXX capital million, quarter related payroll adjusted $XXX.X was million down points for outstanding ratio $XXX.X quarter. the full expense. X. EBITDA were Free and of of million X.X% revolving below slightly the and year The of was Cash of well deferral EBITDA There acquisitions our the Act. million, cash

the These markets estimates pandemic the the year that worsening earnings as of our and results guidance are in supplemental release the adversely set Our for any significant release trends first of date consequently These quarter. estimates affect forth of serve. could are assume earnings are deterioration for we financial no on materials. quarter and and production estimates current our the based this in

$X.XX estimate million $XXX $XXX For of $XX.X the of revenues million we to of income $X and $XX.X billion first quarter XXXX, to net million EBITDA million. billion, of to adjusted

XXXX, typical For the revenues quarter fourth recently first the year from on to our the expect of slightly latency with considers in at business, the for beginning line commercial up of projects. capital or spending the we in approved quarter be which

double-digits down For to single-digits revenue but revenues government business, sequentially. up low the expected be year-over-year, are federal

Our gross estimates EBITDA beginning resets and the in margins each of include which result tax the annual at quarter. payroll adjusted first occurs reset, of lower year. These the effects the in

to for entertainment, support expenses include for the will increases half and year back to I investments that expected Ted weighted commercial expenses, closing to the SG&A the call Thank of as our travel growth headcount business, into and of relaxed. will the the sequential business well more in as additional due as second time Our over other and you for restrictions now as back COVID-XX expenses Ted? to some curtailed of your COVID-XX. Certain reintroduced increases such are be were turn those remarks. gradually

Ted Hanson

in face end on have economy and growth is Thanks, of IT in clients’ ASGN experienced in digital government than Ed. Smart end a have model, the before. prouder. efforts a pace confident our this unprecedented solid in XXXX, at so remain to use capital in the overall both higher greatest we’ve flow and XXXX deployment the total been our be even which bring and continue could acquisitions anything not markets customers’ increasingly cash in for invest year XXXX an M&A. to while company will while scale at unparalleled as XXXX our ready XXXX, strategic something business to our plan million into we In transformation the been $XXX.X global invested our of enters and Since and the is and challenges core to part to of customers M&A free that we time, their our XXXX, and was believe our in roadmaps. commercial best our Supporting our organic will past growth, of I technology active We cornerstone quarter this invest is we may before, resiliency of our we offering. footing service also third needs. the business remain M&A.

Our the contract disciplined are with margin. we provide us with hand and M&A government companies price, commercial possible execute our cash and EBITDA pipeline new capabilities, that to in Consistent look acquire will ensuring the industry remains and acquisitions purchase that our we growth, end on markets with vehicles. acquisitions, we and or acquiring will previous accretive solution to active, expertise be whenever in

business have is solid through case And, health of our this remote believe expected, while this, efficiently using of it interests environment. our none cash needs could because our professionals and, past with results capital ASGN’s well-being, in continue the we particular, in downturn. of least IT free I the or a The ASGN were margins we We company did could While ensuring even clients. have and safely best our those of been global dynamics and year year, growth and prioritized long-standing importantly, changed, execute work cash We clients, we and liquidity the that of the working consistently as to our solid event well flow performance, emphasized strong came generating free remotely in I strong smart the of the when events this deployment, business on that work in world first so and market trajectory. our a flow EBITDA our at most on employees’ of anticipate something anticipate. remain our I stockholders. will a the our positioned world our mission-critical could economic I focused expect will to and generation, half

to our and projects That remarks. business along way. your work, the execute to the the Board clients, we company like support the of its ASGN positioned we for focus On you concludes has look for of Just share our prepared behalf and for entire we forward Directors, our continued success thank continuing ASGN. our of future of of

open Operator? now up We to your will questions. the call

Operator

our William is your Sam Blair. proceed Please [Operator with Instructions] question. question with And from Kusswurm first

Sam Kusswurm

I am How guys. Hey, through? coming

Ted Hanson

Loud and clear.

Sam Kusswurm

for is to administration believe opportunity, the start Perfect. the market how modernize in attacks. $XX My cyber to growth protect much could a against guys? this the this If more modernization IT you the stimulus relates to question we just how I trying effort, much trillion our opportunities here? Just create of ECS’ sense plan $X.X market of included to get billion additional see market

Ted Hanson

of Sam from respond your in right feel places positioned Sam’s to Cybersecurity solution doing customer thanks capability. are space, have George, the to one we obviously we for standpoint want work both good you the federal do question obviously, is where and and lot I expertise mean, like there? question. government there. a we are a in a

George Wilson

of Thank our of company. as of Thank it Yes, us. a sure. we part major growth That’s you, you. Ted. a Yes, big one excellence. opportunity see centers for Sam, It’s our

the a to CMMC. federal are going excited on area us. as and government it do We about what’s for going be And growth see with we

a to know for we we got area try a While we it strong but as as any characterize pipeline, big but growth us. have I do it see wouldn’t particular percentage,

Sam Kusswurm

specific Great, are the increase there Maybe commercial that’s driving that gears business the any helpful. are plan, client switching verticals to projects or really of types here? consulting

Ted Hanson

Rand?

Rand Blazer

the different it’s a each I for Well, answer think is industry. little

follow-up the renewed population for and So, the then a in particularly COVID-testing, interest the healthcare, registration and is that there systems for track thing. dose sort provider second keep to building example, in space, of of in of

a been swell of a So fourth that for work. all just quarter the sudden there great kind of has in

simple I still less digitization kinds it if of and In what consumers, one-stroke transactions, particularly addition of more making systems. to you of knowledgeable for little in services people there it make lot a healthcare bit financial that, making that rely call financial to around will, transactions easier of and their work a to is on healthcare be or business done user-friendly,

intelligence it’s together of of we of lot lot business bridging are and in correlating that – all user into website, dropping the work work them I around So, mean so interface, evaluation. around that lot systems have you in work systems supported. systems for files financial behind that Again, were XXs. our the XX% XXXX mentioned done last being we I of quarter are the number and XXXX into and numbers transactions in the the that it’s sure about jumped, when am digitization online reported talked consumer of

further the the – like this in there it’s hospitals So, what is with And there X,XXX consumer. particular way country in that by that. the which just of they are across created have business in digitization vaccine I what just interact described and then and support to things healthcare

So, did that you a give flavor?

Sam Kusswurm

the definitely did. appreciate there. it Yes, I color

Operator

And question of from question. with with Securities. Please Gary our next is Bank Bisbee America your proceed

Gary Bisbee

guys. afternoon. Hey, Good

result. Another really strong

a I guess of to I So, wanted couple ask questions on the consulting effort.

As and have that thought that questions written you a lot this forum. couple a I investor know your about from pose you recently back would I to of I helpful heard of to base in be

opposed projects the So, consulting way the incremental right cannibalizing on or be you that assignment taking are method the think revenues? could that you opportunities, of is one part or it as but delivery the other this with really went of other that first, So the more all to some there in are words, traditional are is is is about the doing finding assignment, to they now incremental? you consulting

Ted Hanson

Yes.

So, enables I other deployment get comment this that staff right our do let will us Gary alternatives, contract work kind other done. we and this provide that where clients are to think work to I – as particular ability model of beyond that. is to but our well, Rand to deciding use It’s winning

manage technical project have provide solution. legacy have to and resources. direct we in-house and bid expertise And consulting win work we a scope, capability final capability to So, also to then then frame, and

is that and asking so here, think into actually we have that’s that our And solution-oriented about is. to work into of have client we something work some – which wouldn’t this as where we staffing us really that was kind us because else, provide. outcome advantage I the pulling turned

Randy, that? to to add So, anything

Rand Blazer

isn’t services with numbers. marketplace $XXX being IT Yes. a the what cannibalized billion $XX maybe consulting, there to that’s agree IT staffing world and Gary but traditionally I a in minor The staffing put consulting can’t say world is Ted U.S., world. billion a think put staffing. billion I in some $XXX is and some into it’s said I it The piece.

work to happening world can we what’s said, meet go you consultants, the up where in have the accountability, or you responsibility client for you and traditionally are consulting the take Ted outcomes we designed is on and competing designed as think stepped I would have that solutions take, that needs.

and we we are success. swimming are having So, different bucket work think a some in that I in

George Wilson

way, by the And Gary…

Ted Hanson

thing very important rate to best one it point, the traditional down higher are the what’s they happening if work, client which not add a bill would and that getting I wanted into here. work. there on Gary, this Hey, right, higher just really we mean, price is taking solution-oriented driving be perform margins and staff to

I are point too that is we so And that think of what kind another data saying. supports just here

Gary Bisbee

opportunity. Yes, no certainly And it doubt. market the that the fact grew pandemic the points of the attractiveness

you just a of you from share taking give who couple what Who other as into you firms? you competing which you of some heard could just ones are two Thanks could of example really two people, a say examples are is you help a types of lot frame are or with accountability, then what to deliverables give or of are and me on when And from some lot. I So, that? types investors and are you you moving your doing? an projects that taking

Ted Hanson

Sure.

They I use firms. that the have to what client use the they take traditional could me consulting earlier, other. fixed – internal first could is and us. BPO offshore. could multiple staff. go They go. could Remember places which take Let They has to outsource I’ll let something They hire Rand said they part could the of or

that of use making many then but them, are up they work they cases top once get of in asking is. larger what roadmap more is there they of the ways and but we come to consulting examples? traditional in stack what they architecture decision, a the they are purposeful all a realize some the And here through happening them efficient play what’s so I decision, go to you are done are you won’t some will. work of And for asking define if part Rand, this then will, design, to as around firms, the if And strategy, pyramid the us some

Rand Blazer

of lines for and directly if are different and to going and code it you client you Look, not other or development scenario. near-shore in to be will. is our are are in U.S., you one a but we And have examples those overseas different, I industry center a want cases, there lines. of I example, agile a to that assign in every achieve clients, to new it In want supporting the could responsibility may build say, clients’ you where end center

supporting a are it’s business, client. if So the end technology you

work example purely responsibility will turned they cases, accountability for I so my and that. on bring combination our issues be, from putting from and in over correction. accountability and all and was requirements look take with what we of In the ago, and – for to the trouble minute of business and We have and requirements think mean, here So is mention their reporting a individual center for the using. we those a times. is to And trouble take up, when that come reports getting distribution we responding the build bottom other processes build us. that – the it’s we different those working we got go direct to are the are We the you all have them of they certain they things the using through these for systems can finalizing the responsible teams clients I through here redesigning and an gosh, help digitization a together not it’s reports and a that different processes system? or will we throughput have system generally oh at patient, meet said this follow-up to just vaccine our healthcare us at and to a

be architect – trying trying we’re not Ted We’re as necessarily. said, to the

to obviously players to do it of bids. of business, control can the asked a and data experience, the quality is systems, the a in of execution that we’re give when of there. for that of reconnecting bid be the we’re comes obviously migration set have Let us Accenture of work data winning and use some work, said being example, where connectivity but flow, They to, architect, some the the this those it okay, you different

Gary Bisbee

just That’s merit the one comp lower, for XXXX could called raises magnitude? think it’s comp whatever? we throughout resets really factors that be higher to SG&A Thanks incentive lot. of thing incentive quickly If going sense helpful. for being the you I out kind of order the X, somewhat driving in you sneak is could that is If whether Education, us away of Jan or right that give is one this of significant, team executive a And year? the a or should

Ed Pierce

phased at is it mentioned very being the right. being beginning, you Well, it’s as in Gary, –

year. And some going over in phased the course the others are of to be

of significant, it terms expenses as was were the out. was it call of In curtailed, some that But probably large let’s the as not others.

Gary Bisbee

it’s in with But Okay. I guess? the SG&A guidance QX that

Ed Pierce

is It is. That true.

Gary Bisbee

guys. alright. Okay, Thanks, Great.

Operator

Markets. Capital Please Jeff from Silber is question BMO proceed with your question. next with Our

Jeff Silber

to Wanted rates high, but are know great? still finding having side comment fairly you Thanks the the are can the on folks can more if that difficulty if would folks? accordingly, the us, focus of I unemployment to be rates low. you the be picture, are you bill/pay unemployment also you spreads tell for so And supply much. that seem the replacing on

Ted Hanson

Sure.

is don’t about sets. skill quarters, in talked we’ve will I mean, I Jeff, technology again. – prior not this So, it really say This unemployment just about I picture

to we’re being said, work demand. we material most as on So of we time and work able That bill since people our to basis. they a be or is obviously remain new high find win wouldn’t in able

I’m but been it’s set, And of of accomplish. to So something we able the was? question skill kind and set part time it’s skill have difficult then, by it’s sorry, your a second

Jeff Silber

The bill/pay spreads.

Ted Hanson

higher Yes. bill are and our that, to keeping Part I rates rates that of mean work, able equation Bill/pay we had is getting demand consulting consistent. spreads, been spread the here both of part been that go. we’ve level increasing. Jeff, accomplish intact higher as pretty bill supply but

Jeff Silber

you of SG&A at to up XXXX for expect had the investments. some I Okay, least in mentioned then, margin the XXXX early Ed, helpful. internal that’s And think go to in or

its down Anything we out the I aware commercial pike? of you be headcount. else should think coming called

Ed Pierce

incentive Travel Jeff, a on is We Yes, number compensation. and the it’s commented earlier another. of factors. entertainment

the those down for is in the are coming in if you So are full adjusted slightly that but as with can pretty is of that gradually but – EBITDA in look we And well year cash to margins levels. whole, to and had XXXX. that margins course full a year be XXXX, expecting some and year, margin going over the line gross you let’s our okay, we at of another expense those as the the to expect say, be our that over up thing below important be, XXXX

the the you some what terms we’re over of would that of perspective give year. So course in expecting

Jeff Silber

extremely much. you helpful. so actually That’s Thank

Ed Pierce

are You welcome.

Operator

question next with Truist is Please question. with your Tobey Securities. Our from proceed Sommer

Tobey Sommer

you. Thank

strategic whatever to We’re to How those maybe about goals? your positioned your think for pandemic and X are extent hit in comment the recent you do ability X-year goals have years XXXX into plan. may relative to impeded you the most XXXX just

Ted Hanson

Yes, about into for overall, evolved I IT served. would our course has to think, marketplaces I Maintaining say, strategic we’re XX.X% XX% that had gone over wanted stayed you I off that question. we organic to plug. a we services within little Tobey, the We the where on little and to us caused current was the to provider to and within beginning basically be progressing on was to of on think progressing way $XXX something to and to at I yet. to But government and what services toward against something believe more a to which remember government don’t of an we’re before to XXXX told plan growth grow mean, situation. scale scale the revenue COVID may XXXX not thrust rates the we in certainly well the those there. planned, as midstream necessarily that that. we that’s order to objectives thanks we We marketplace. within mean, have got say I’d our you’ll more had key a had a And were get But provider I those targets, was we wanted Whether of plan. was really we’ve the in I and course X% we’re that do to M&A powerful to EBITDA prior over million get going M&A so we much about commercial our the at I that of billion on we really M&A that that’s has move target. case fronts, here. than in the IT be do a these the bit firm think able margins was X% to that part $X time period space

a acquisition-ready very we the We certainly the maybe So possible. do on do are more balance go little bit and sheet the to cash we and that. wherewithal it’s M&A, have

we’ll it go how to XXXX watch started and in from here things have we there. and So things here how as see get progress

Tobey Sommer

those the quickly, between recent you’ve we margin the a How when M&A, two in years, either of into What or it’s with applied where do which consulting. of capital? are Segueing at in ECS which you or to buckets? compare better return more look you. those grows trade-offs capital one one yields been financial kind thank better on kind buckets Okay, that into side and on contrast respect

Ted Hanson

get of of our but on opportunities acquisitions the commercial for next in have government that are just tell the equal return to within to fights the areas the firm the some of use here because opportunity focus as acquisition to that we I space, and of the maybe every make Well, to there you, a capital, best unique dollar the marketplace.

or ECS the of commercial the we firms, on other. margin get, for going above areas growth That’s the is because traffic. rates So they the typical that not how specialized consulting are highly what’s all here, able comparable accounts below I are pretty to but rates don’t and put to space one in in

we’re both they’re So pursuing both. highly And desirable.

the developing half watch in get areas. how We’re that of to have and develops we’ll see pipeline as this here both first And into year. we

Tobey Sommer

that have are side generally that in targets? businesses small. more history acquired consulting ECS you relatively sizable Does Certainly, have recent

Ted Hanson

know that size the I don’t differentiator. really is

disciplined I think that what is not girthy to to of a with big are we’re everything. many firms strategically fit we’re solution lot And times that capabilities those where trying headed. be do really do

that stay If them of business customer. more stay the that already on solutions win what do are area path earned see We commercial marketplace. have but with to trying do for could fairly we are the to certain certainly could clients going if find to at we to targeted we we’ve it’s particular industries be we’re vehicle focused a stay we we I and see is in right that whether to trying really we a bringing the going we in begin contract to more trying We’re – the mean, to within solution to great, since are find here. with on are on. to those that we work coming can certain that we acquisition accretive or expertise didn’t our us are things that’s scale, an

Tobey Sommer

could in the to confidence has me the Okay, speak business, you trajectory last maybe you give recent that for typically competitors And that about kind in thank maybe against question are that market? different you. And quarters other for flat? one you been then come on up a the also and ECS, than just X book-to-bill growth the of rate because there Thanks. some factors growth describe

Ted Hanson

George, and to talk you want the competitors about book-to-bill?

George Wilson

as mean, usually we all but Sure. won’t any with, compete Well, particular team with that also we well. list I ones I competitors, the

there Tier business that of the modernization, big for the so out vying all solutions digital list it’s type X of a long government area them. So and contractors are

these customer X-year as for contracts get and then understand, of are in got recompetes. up we’re that base. come included typically of had will couple as included far a of been couple As but we a it’s But QX, very, And quarters. contracts not that we’ve in they last recent little bit some you we’ve slower QX. Yes, very that And book-to-bill, of the competitive a the were areas got and couple be over wins in strong

growth our forward. accelerate to continue moving to help also will those So

Tobey Sommer

Thank you.

Operator

Kevin question proceed Credit with our McVeigh Please And with Suisse. question. next is from your

Kevin McVeigh

thought on is on It’s sure kind like consulting feed in business just consulting at ASN, Hey, on the bit. all to Great. the And more the terms it the segments? are assignments? Ted, ASN is delta from consulting you what has a or It a thoughts could a to if act results. of And the delta seems been those margin I little Does congratulations wanted just the sourcing across the side. Are of help of revenue frame pretty us scales in into back bench-type of kind taking consulting always you that? as consulting along two lines, those you there. as for around Hey, then full-timers versus ASN the outpacing it. I’ve those any model that ASN more business circle then on terms

Ted Hanson

up And a that lot. one let here. Apex was obviously the mean, Well, for and But Rand consulting – is as to technical that a that that of is of the and bread look, lead and Oxford. we’ve resources, Sure. is in is advantages start I’ll butter and jump right. who Okay. we here I’ll kind work I have grown the of

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Rand Blazer

want somebody Part think model who on think mute. consulting I the they I a was we that of yesterday’s skills, you everything labor. correctly, we part said they they particularly and don’t reason has every Yes, sorry in each appreciates of is contract want deployment good and industry-specific. with I are for We team somebody Ted. where actually who the skills team the had today’s leverage that the client am use,

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an We appropriate have provide big but leadership, bench, to by but carrying a bench. not carrying

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Ted Hanson

I last then about question And differential. the was your margin piece believe, your of

we margin get XXX that as said to we’ve down EBITDA falls points XXX think I to well. margin, basis gross more in

it’s in us of we on that here, value to allow So to work taking and the the willing it’s reflect they’re because are – we margin they for because customer bill. that are a that add the

Kevin McVeigh

And helpful. you may have mentioned. super That’s

the but the consulting does recorded if get the sourcing If repeat, recorded ASGN for apologize business? that did, in I side in you’re or the gets someone staff from aug, consulting sourced that’s you on

Ted Hanson

revenues. Those are consulting

Kevin McVeigh

Alright. Thank you, Consulting. all. Awesome.

Operator

your proceed Jefferies. Surinder And our with next question is from Please Thind with question.

Surinder Thind

take wanted Hi, had argued to back cycle assignment prior a to I Ted, a and picture with would big business augmentation I think more guys. It staff staffing the to question. like COVID I that I guess, that about step start be can the the piece. peaked. or specifically maybe

cycle has be argued can been it kind think I of reset. Now, that the

augmentation terms how the think view staff as few so next cycle? the about of statement macro And the agree years of you and opportunity with the in for it do part over we that you would now

Ted Hanson

think agree I one the And the needs I of skill now, would is beholden we say are this where with much generally one we’re business appreciate about to things Surinder. I meaning that, any technology are, I characterized, not Yes, set. so

be in to provisioned. growth is needs our and that where the the be to way to going able in talent skate build the than that on pipeline may of but to aug our is there our to believe side be provide to customer natural need capability and I we be to business. skill were that’s past, So The they staff sets – different the be

been. And to who and so that’s just we’ve always be who we need

Surinder Thind

of not opportunity longer-term years? the an opportunity where thinking we any then way mid-single Is should or the may we think as that the provide it or that type generate of can growth there? that to this level you And you about you’re think next quarter-to-quarter, about a for able should to growth related approximate be how the few color the on over out of digits kind on that basis,

Ted Hanson

into can’t ball. I mean, at look guess I I I’m crystal exactly not, a

and last was rate see retail that because over year, some of higher much staffing, so you market, just I COVID-affected a may especially this that. down in growth and think year accounts, industries, middle

get of long the a customer kind We’ve it’s of over more of Apex. think at ability growth large rate provide our kind that because and way been focus, consulting. our to been because mid-single-digit of to of of also I by able haul, value-added and services

X% billion So SIA our I at and U.S. the others that But that target X% the think the back is think in growth of some if points to you report, rate growth here within $XX industry Rand over traditionally earlier. a billion $XX it’s a to rate referred that look that. to higher than just kind data I of

Surinder Thind

process like this at for that the have? that of for your maybe through top is seems It this you, maybe actually above point Ed. about follow-up, last one end you range. then the you’ve come and A us quarters visibility few And can the generating the question Understood. you well the guidance, walk in guidance

there of has to up more should maybe being end as even kind little now we a it and bit kind how end of macro where that terms ability just guide given uncertainty have guide? So your guide you’re process of you your near or of resulted think just a about the top conservative this the above been of that’s in kind in in

Ed Pierce

Surinder, very Well, beat particularly is preceding as in per than other quarters revenues ECS, the was sort up it as surges past mainly the our This of day to this past at guidance to saw in well it before, commercial quarter, the we more you business. two right. frankly – by which the it’s came relates revenues to billable X.X%. above a related quarter Look, expectations, in saw coming relates was original driven disciplined that process. And that

going time going do You that our have very accurate. I thing going we But our field to from should And the well the forecast to have our methodology time pretty go-forward that. and are – group. But in thought I occur things basis forecast of to that. time, we we down, is has fairly And to time I are always you involves is sort line over are worked for surges for to And what things the years. what think FP&A except always take surges. you part, from our guidance – is It is the personnel, good we disciplined. those think anyway, have have on should the a think are expect these much most you with

Surinder Thind

helpful. Okay, and congratulations on that’s you, guys, Thank the quarter. very

Operator

question. Please with your proceed Baird. Childress Andre our And is with next question from

Andre Childress

rate you Thank guys. question. do through provide currently could for how I just how you progressing kind taking you Hey, and headcount through do my will some of if and was what about that think on and capacity what adding come of think you more about color in curious that XXXX? XXXX you have

Ted Hanson

in are productivity year. Great. here standpoint of the that if little we’re from that like marketplace in opportunity thanks contribute They’ll general you in does consistently standpoint. opportunity. vis-à-vis I we terms have, they in you lot always from that I line our to think productivity likely kind a we meantime, of what think what would top to likely line. just because now, I business. versus question. back you are less much And out we are we the the headcount don’t is to bit of right going growth, little within topped that’s tell in said, go mean than a the a teams produce invest so, kind you have Andre, to looking on we’re behind to about basis. we how bottom investing always Well, we Andre I a will. productivity look, And we of be for more line, more you how certainly the capacity There I investing to that of our further of in put much the thought a we comment if mean, bit the a out, that more half tell meet top the that – the if growth like mean and It’s get

Andre Childress

of that with historic or that Yes, of do that growth you makes forward seen, gain the kind terms to you’ve sense. headcount And going some of be same? of think productivity in might is differ do that think kind rate pace going of you the the

Ted Hanson

in I our make back growth, Yes, of little our than sales looking our advances margin. think, from I can we us EBITDA it’s our well, productivity office said. typically to investments, always Expect team, for less because It’s our business. what team, a consulting the headcount team, that rate in from so from investments we’re add

Andre Childress

Thank you.

of and guys the are competing multiples terms on And seeing what deals? acquisition these how side, you in is so it for

Ted Hanson

would of the of in bidder. active down of a the It’s or been is most time, whole the things. all thing an There I the Yes. competition not lot hasn’t there comfort and in strategics, side, market. commercial there, that – say and other a Both up on side SPACs government not the lot But multiples. certainly out now kinds we’re of private movement me high is we’re gives equity,

the Our And acquisition what with bids going with one deciding be opportunity. they doing. have highest to have don’t competitive we’re the they’re our a in the bid. part be They be to targets come our in team, processes, these of we to know we the because are and to while like end always play in foundational

Andre Childress

you. That’s great. Thank

Operator

call now We Ted of closing have I to over session. will And CEO, the end reached for remarks. turn question-and-answer the Hanson, the

Ted Hanson

results our of operator. to we you Thanks you, everyone And call look interest thank today and I for the be your sharing for second Well, ASGN. Great. to on and well. half thank want forward QX with April. being the in in

Operator

today’s time. Thank participation. at your concludes lines you And disconnect conference your this this for you and may

ASGN (ASGN) 11 Feb 212020 Q4 Earnings call transcript