| What are you afraid of? What are you afraid of when you merge your – so ECAT is not levered, it would be trivial to merge it, there wouldn't be any leverage change, but so the leverage, to your point, leverage is often considered an attribute, but it can be used to excess, and it, also the manager uses it at full time, at full leverage almost always, all the time. So when I look at a closed-end fund, some of them don't have leverage by the way, I look at an unleveraged closed-end fund and say that one at -14 is much better than a levered one. Because it's almost like … if anyone knows how to count cards, it's like dividing the raw count by the number of decks to get the true count. If I have 50% leverage and it's minus 15, it's almost like 50% more stuff so 10 million is 15 million of stuff. I'm going to say that a minus 15 is really a minus 10 because I have to divide that by the leverage. So, we do look for low levered funds, but there's nothing per se in general wrong with the leverage. But when we think about BRW … so act as, you know, do as I do… whatever that expression is… So, I'm trying to show through leadership of an actual closed-end fund that we're not going to always be at max leverage, and so BRW has often been risk averse, safe, which really gave us a great result on the NAV in 2022, and so, we don't run it always at full leverage. You asked about our fight record. Ultimately, we have won almost all of the campaigns. A couple of them we were losing, but here's another interesting fact. We're in a consolidating industry. When a manager buys another manager, now the burden goes to them. For the deal to close, they don't need to get LP consent at 50.01%, which might be hard, versus us to overthrow management if they're doing the wrong thing needing 50.1. They need 66 and two-thirds. So, for Morgan Stanley to consummate the deal with Eaton Vance, and I'm a huge fan of the leadership at Morgan Stanley, and I know them quite well, Eaton Vance needed 66 and two-thirds. But the shareholders were so upset about performance that in a board election, I might be getting this wrong, we actually won 81% of the votes, and on that board was not some random team of Eaton Vance people, it included the actual CEO of the company. So imagine like, David Solomon or Lloyd Blankfein, if they had the time to sit on a closed-end fund board with all the 100 billion other things they have to do and, if they did, to lose 81-19. So in consolidation, we were able to win because the odds shifted because they needed two-thirds, otherwise they wouldn't, they'd have to go into liquidation because they would not be the rightful manager of that fund. So consolidation has been very good for the industry. And I also want to just say, like they say about reading the first few pages of the New York Post or the 10 o'clock news, I'm here talking to you about things going wrong, but I have to say, there are a number of managers, who without us ever even talking to them, and maybe it was not even related to them seeing us come up in the holders list, as you know, five percent holder, ten percent holder… managers that have done smart things, managers that have done things that I don't have an opinion whether smart or not smart, but their funds are not at discount. So, you can look at PIMCO and find there's only really one fund at a discount in the MLP space and MLPs, I think, are fascinating. Goldman Sachs, by the way, GER, which I tweeted about a couple times recently, decided hey, this thing has been at -20 for three years, we've tried our best, we tried various things. Enough is enough. Simply announcing that we're going to liquidate the funds, which is trivial, selling a couple million dollars of individual stocks over some reasonable period of time, will give investors a 25% gain, 80 would go to 100. |