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Nick Jarmoszuk
Hi, thanks for taking the questions. The first one on the 13.2 million tons for ‘21. Directionally can you let us know if the contracts with those replaced, is that pricing up or down?
Jimmy Brock
When you say contracts replaced, I’m not sure I’m following your question.
Mitesh Thakkar
You mean the new contracts, Nick?
Nick Jarmoszuk
Yes, yes. The new contracts for those 13.2 million tons, is the roughly $43, is that up relative to what you were receiving for those tons in 2020?
Jimmy Brock
So, 2021, I would suggest that the contracts that we’re currently negotiating or deals that we’re currently negotiating, it depends on the timing of the market. Today, I’d said you’re probably a little bit below that $43 average number. However, one thing that I see happening right now is many utilities are still concerned about COVID.
So, they’re not buying, I’ll say 100% of their burn needs for next year. They’re leaving a lot more open for the spot market. I think Dan just went through some good math that suggest should these economies reopen, should people get back to working in their offices, kids going back to school, I think there’ll be a strong spot demand in spot market happen in the first quarter of next year, and potentially even further out, and at that time, I think that the pricing will improve.
So, again for the contracts we’re currently talking about, I’d say they are above the published marks, but probably somewhat somewhere below the $43 average price we currently have today.
Nick Jarmoszuk
Then on the second lien buybacks I believe you have a $25 million annual limit for those repurchases. First question is, is that still in place, and then is there any consideration to going back to the first lien lenders to loosen up that basket?
Mitesh Thakkar
Listen, we look at all the tools that we have from a corporate finance perspective. I will say that we still have availability on that basket, so it’s not that we need to go back to seek relief or anything like that. I think, and the Coal desk trading liquidity in the second lien bonds is like right now, I don’t think I can do $50 million of buyback when my second lien given the trading liquidity without running of the prices as high, because that basket is on market—is on face value—is on market value. So, at $0.50 on $1, you can do retire like $50 million. I’m rounding, it depends on the market value, right.
I think that’s, that capacity is good for us through December. I mean, next year we are going to get a new bucket for that, and hopefully our leverage is going to go down and we will have other baskets open up for us. So, I think from a strategic perspective, if you think about it, you have the bucket for the rest of this year, you will have new bucket next year, and if our leverage drops below two, you will have other baskets open up that will allow you to buy back. So, I don’t see the need to go back to the first lien lenders to ask for more, more capacity, if you will.
CONSOL Energy Inc.
November 5, 2020 at 11:00 a.m. Eastern