(Q) | Please tell us about your synergies with major shareholders, particularly MUFG. It seems that community-based business at the global level will achieve significant synergistic effects. Do you see any possibility of collaboration in financing for small- and medium-sized companies at each base of operations (Japan, Asia, the US), or do you not think this is particularly important? What are your thoughts about MUFG as a major shareholder? |
(A) | (Mitsubishi UFJ Lease & Finance, Yanai) |
MUL, as MUFG’s affiliated company accounted for by the equity method, is already collaborating in areas where it can collaborate with MUFG. MUL has used MUFG’s customer base, of course, only in areas where doing so would be a win-win for both companies. In such circumstances, since MUFG began investing in HC in 2016, I suppose that MUFG at times had to decide, from region to region, which company to support and which company to work with. The merger of our companies means that MUFG can support us both fully and at once, and because the new company will be engaged in a wide array of work, we will be able to coordinate with MUFG on an even greater scale around the world. But of course, since our strategy has yet to be decided, I think we will need to deliberate with MUFG in the future.
(Hitachi Capital, Kawabe)
MUFG’s 2016 investment has been very effective for HC. One reason was that we had many instances where we were introduced to new sales finance channels overseas. In addition, regarding risk management, we received many different suggestions regarding risk management in finance, which was very distinct from what you would see in manufacturers. They have also supplied us with new human resources through which we have gained new knowledge, and in this sense, we believe HC obtained a broader business capacity. At the same time, there is some cross-selling going on overseas with respect to HC and MUL, and the amount is around 40 billion yen. This I think shows that the channels and businesses of both parties have expanded, and the relationship has been incredibly beneficial.
(Q) | Given the capital business alliance that you announced in 2016, can you tell us why you decided on a merger now? In your introduction you noted that the effects of COVID-19 are accelerating a variety of matters, and you also mentioned that you had been deliberating on this issue since the fall of last year, but would you say that factors such as the faltering demand caused by the spread of COVID-19 spurred your decision here? Furthermore, your industry is faced with an environment of long-term trends such as changes to lease accounting standards and ultra-low interest rates, with finance leases and plain leases facing strong headwinds; in addition to your desire to do new things, was your decision to form a merger influenced by a sense that doing so might help you face these headwinds?. |
(A) | (Mitsubishi UFJ Lease & Finance, Yanai) |
As to your first point, as we mentioned earlier, we began deliberations with a merger in mind around fall of last year. In other words, we had been deliberating over a merger since before the spread of COVID-19, so the pandemic did not necessarily spur our decision. Furthermore, you mentioned things like COVID-19, lease accounting, and ultra-low interest rates being strong headwinds, but we still do not know quite yet what is going to happen with lease accounting. Many things are still up in the air with both IFRS and US GAAP, so we still don’t know what’s going to happen. As such, we will be paying attention to how those trends shift in the future, but regardless of what happens, we do not believe any impact on the leasing industry will be particularly significant. As mentioned earlier, we have been shifting in much broader directions from the finance leasing businesses and traditional leasing businesses that we have been engaging in since our founding, so to the point to what extent the current changes to lease accounting standards will affect our business, I do not personally think the effect will be particularly significant. Furthermore, with respect to the ultra-low interest rates issue, this is actually a major reason why we have shifted from finance leases, a business beholden to interest rates, to other fields. I think this is something other leasing companies were thinking about as well, even without talk of mergers or capital business alliances in 2016 and the like. But the fact that leasing companies conversely do not rely exclusively on interest rates to do business presents us with a major opportunity. As President Kawabe mentioned earlier, we can do business in a world dictated not by interest rates but by what kind of added value we can provide to assets and how we make those assets work for our customers and society. Therefore, we do not believe that ultra-low interest rates will necessarily act as a strong headwind for us. I would say that, rather than our decision being spurred by strong headwinds, we instead grew to understand each other better over four years of deliberations, and both came to the realization starting last year that merging into a single company would allow us to create an incredible company.
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