CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Lynne Maxeiner
Emerson Electric Co. - Director IR
David Farr
Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
Walter Galvin
Emerson Electric Co. - SEVP, CFO
CONFERENCE CALL PARTICIPANTS
Bob Cornell
Barclays Capital - Analyst
Steve Tusa
JPMorgan - - Analyst
Deane Dray
FBR - - Analyst
Christopher Glynn
Oppenheimer & Co. - Analyst
Michael Schneider
Robert W. Baird & Company, Inc. - Analyst
Judy Delgado
Analyst
Martin Sankey
Neuberger Berman, LLC - Analyst
PRESENTATION
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Emerson agreement to acquire Avocent Corporation conference call. (Operator Instructions). This conference is being recorded today, Tuesday, October 6, 2009.
Emerson's commentary and responses to your questions may contain forward-looking statements, including the Company's outlook for the remainder of the year. Information on factors that could cause actual results to vary materially from those discussed today is available in Emerson's most recent annual report on Form 10-K as filed with the SEC.
In this call, Emerson's management will discuss some non-GAAP measures in talking about the Company's performance, and the reconciliation of those measures to the most comparable GAAP measures is contained within a presentation that is posted in the investor relations area of Emerson's website at www.Emerson.com.
I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Ms. Lynne Maxeiner, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, ma'am.
Lynne Maxeiner - Emerson Electric Co. - Director IR
Thank you, Douglas. I am joined today by David Farr, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, and President of Emerson; Walter Galvin, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Craig Ashmore, Senior Vice President, Planning and Development; and Ed Feeney, Executive Vice President and business leader for Emerson Network Power.
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Today's call will cover Emerson's announcement of its agreement to acquire Avocent. A conference call slide presentation is available in the investor relations section of Emerson's corporate website. A replay of this conference call and slide presentation will be available on the website after the call for approximately one week. I will now turn it over to Mr. David Farr.
David Farr - Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
Thank you very Lynne -- thank you, Lynne. Thanks, everybody, for joining us this morning.
This is a little bit different for me. What we have here is a presentation out there. I want to flip through it.
The key thing you need to know is that this is what I call a strategic marquee acquisition for us within the network power space. It's one that we have been working on for quite some time. It's a technology, you'll see, that is going to allow us to create a lot stronger solutions presence and a stronger presence in the data center infrastructure marketplace -- clearly strengthen us on a global basis.
So what I would like to do is go through the presentation. And the numbers on the presentation, if you have a copy, are on the bottom right-hand side, and I'm going to go to the second chart and -- which highlights the Emerson Network Power profile.
In 2008, the whole business of Emerson Network Power was $6.3 billion. The Emerson data center sales by market in the business is $2.6 billion, and this is where Avocent comes into play from a standpoint of the strategic fit. And I will talk more about this but basically this is adding a very strategic component to where we want to go and create more value, more solution capability for the data center infrastructure and what we have to offer going forward here.
So let's go to page three. Within the data center today, Emerson has a very strong presence. We have, as I said, $2.6 billion and we cover the data center room, as we've talked about in our analyst presentations.
We have basically equipment throughout the whole data center from precision cooling to dense cooling. We have surge suppression, uninterruptible power supplies. We have power distribution units. We support the generators, the CAT generators or other generators out there. We have the automatic switch and we actually have enterprising monitoring system capabilities today.
Then, within a rack, if you think about a rack within a data center, which is the box and it looks usually black, we have cable managing, rack cooling. We have -- the power supply is coming out of Astec. We actually make the rack, and we have managed power strips and we have UPS and we have environmental sensors. So we actually today are a major player in the data center today, relative to equipment, both inside the rack and outside the rack.
And the key areas that you're going to see going forward is how do you coordinate that and how do you play all those together going into the future. That's what Avocent is all about for us. It's a key, integral part of tying that technology altogether.
As we go forward to page four, as we look at the data center and the issues and the emerging strategies today, you quickly see in the lower left-hand corner, Emerson is involved in energy consumption of close to 60% of the data center, from precision cooling to embedded power supplies and UPS. Clearly, when you think about energy efficiency and you think about the needs of the data center today, it's about energy, it's about availability, it's technology, and the whole dynamic infrastructure management.
And this is where Emerson is trying to focus, how we can create a value solution for our customers using our technology-leading products today, be it a UPS, be it a precision cooling unit or a power supply, and now, with Avocent, the KVM solution capabilities there and software capabilities.
The data center driven, and today as we look at it is off a global server marketplace, and it's a growing marketplace and will continue to grow as we look at it. The growth rate has been impacted by the virtual server activity going out there. That will continue, but that will eventually run its course. And you will see a pretty strong underlying growth for us.
The key area for us basically is on the right-hand side. We want to continue to shift the efficient hardware, both in servers and storage in the network area. Powering cooling infrastructure. We want to be involved in the design data center for efficiency. You know, managing those -- the room, configuring the racks, trying to have people understand what's going on inside that data center. What servers to come in and out.
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We want to be able to manage power. We want to be able to manage air-conditioning. We want the data centers to be able to control the infrastructure they have, which we are a major supplier within that area. Where does the cooling need to go? Where do we need to back it down? Where do they need UPSes? And so on and so forth.
We want to shift loads real time, use the most efficient hardware, use the most efficient capabilities within that data center, and we want to be able to turn off things and turn things back on. From the standpoint if you have excess power going through it, or you have a unit that may be going bad, we want to be able to manage this and this is what the Avocent strategy is all about, tying in very closely to what we have to offer today.
And this is going to allow us to get into a much larger market. As I see it, it's going to allow us to expand our served market by at least $2 billion to $3 billion. Avocent alone is a $1.0 billion-plus type of marketplace we're going into, and then if you look at the solutions capabilities as we go down the market road in the next five to 10 years, it's going to allow us to expand our solutions capability into another -- add another $2 billion or $3 billion of capable sales that we can go after in the marketplace, which is all very important to us relative to our underlying growth rate and the future of Emerson.
You go forward to page five. Obviously, we are in the data center today. We do surveys constantly with our customers, and if you look at the progression over the last couple of years, energy efficiency and heat density, these things -- and monitoring and management, availability, all have become very, very major players relative to what the customer needs.
And so, energy efficiency has moved right up there to number two, right behind heat density, and then you've got monitoring and management and you've got availability. These are things that we are able to do, and now with the addition of Avocent, we can do a lot more and we can bring a much stronger solution to our customer over the next couple of years.
And this is a key part, as you will quickly see. Their products are an integral part of communication within a data center, which allows us to tie all our capabilities together and then communicate up into the main systems and allow the data center to do a lot more with the key data that we will supply to them.
Going forward to page six, there are four areas. You've seen this chart before. We've used this in talking about our Liebert and our whole network power infrastructure strategy over the last couple of years.
There are four key areas, capabilities, the needs from the customers -- performance optimization, asset management, configuration, and real-time monitoring.
And what we've been about is trying to develop a capability, both from a product standpoint, a solution standpoint, a software standpoint, and a service standpoint, to serve these four key areas. And you will quickly see where our products come into play today, and we are stronger clearly in some areas than others, and we are -- with the addition of Avocent, it will allow us to strengthen our capabilities across these four areas and allow us to create more value for our customer and allow them to have more control and more management of that infrastructure within the IT world, which is very important as we go forward here in the next five to 10 years.
But clearly, this has taken the game up a big notch as we look at our network power infrastructure business today. Like we did in process as we developed the capabilities with a next generation of systems and solutions in software, we have changed the game from being just the best-in-class device company, be it a UPS or precision cooling, to now offering a much more comprehensive service and solution and software capability, and this whole infrastructure management in an IT world. So that's what we're all about.
If you go to the next page, page seven, you've seen this chart. I've showed this chart, I think, the last two or three strategy sessions with our key investors in New York or here in St. Louis. And what you see here now with the addition of Avocent, it fits right next, adjacently, to where Emerson is with Liebert and Aperture and Knurr.
It allows us to have a lot more capability in that room and the racks and the IT devices, and allows us to expand our solutions capability up into those four categories we talked about -- real-time monitoring, configuration, asset management, or performance optimization.
Fundamentally, this allows us to develop what I consider a highly integrated solution for the data center. It allows us to take our precision cooling, bring in the software capability, which we will have to develop to tie all our capabilities together, and then communicate, as I saw you later, up into the IT organization and give those IT managers a lot more capability to manage the data center more efficiently, more cost effectively, and to really know what's going on inside that data center real-time.
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That's what it's all about. Real time. Just like a process plan as I look at it.
If you go forward to page eight, you will see in a rack where Emerson is today. We have precision cooling. We have what we call the drawer, the local access and control. We have UPS. We have power strips. We make the rack.
And now with the addition of Avocent, we have the leader in KVM switches, which is going to be the key infrastructure control aspect to what we're trying to do here. It is the control capability within that rack to what's going on inside that rack with a technology we are going to develop here, and the software capabilities we're going to develop here, to allow us to communicate amongst that rack and then also outside that rack to other racks in the whole data center, and really collect that information and take that information up into the IT network so they can know what's going on inside that rack, across the racks, and really create a viable information system capability for the operators inside that data center.
If you go forward to page nine, you will see today typically the KVM switch application -- it can control one to 64 servers. It communicates, it goes into the IT administration, it goes across different sites, so not just one site. It can communicate across different sites.
And basically, it gives the IT administrator the -- remote visibility, access and control of connected IT devices. Now what we want to do, given the fact that we have a lot of other devices in this data center, just like a process plant, we want to connect our UPS, we want to connect our precision cooling, we want to connect to that backup power, we want to connect the power strips. We want to be able to communicate across this whole data center and allow a more solution capability for the operators of that data center.
Just like we have here in St. Louis with our new data center, we want to be able to control that data center, have that information, and know what's going on inside that data center at any point in time, and make decisions real-time, which is not something that really can do today across all the spectrum of products that we have out there in that IT data center today.
If you go to page 10, you see the profile of Avocent. It's a great company, located down in Huntsville, Alabama. It's a very global company, you can see, with basically a 50-50 split between international and the United States, and it's a company historically that has grown.
Obviously with 2009, it's had a very difficult year just like everybody else in the marketplace from Emerson to anybody. I don't care where you are. A Cisco, anybody. Everyone in this market space has had a very challenging year.
It's a profitable company. They have great gross profit and they have technology. The key thing for us is they have technology within that data center that we'll be able to utilize to create a bigger solution and to integrate with our capabilities today we have in Liebert and our whole network power data center infrastructure.
So from our standpoint, this is a key aspect or a key milestone into creating a much stronger package for our data center infrastructure. It's something that we've been missing, and they really bring a capability to the marketplace and to Emerson that will strengthen us as we go forward.
And as you know, this is a long term, a very good growing, a very good, profitable business for Emerson.
Going forward, let's go to page 11. As I said, they are a profitable market leader in a well-structured industry.
If you go to page 12, you'll quickly see, on a global basis, their market today on a KVM is $1.2 billion. They are a very strong presence around the world, both in the Americas and in Europe and in Asia, just like our network power business today. Our network power business today has 60% of their sales outside of the United States, so I believe that we'll be able to strengthen the KVM and the Avocent business both in Europe and in Asia because of the strong presence that we have in those markets today.
We are strong in Asia, in particular, with the whole network power aspects that we have, and we're a very global player. I believe -- I can't remember, Lynne, today, but we're probably close to 60%, 62% outside the United States today with our network power infrastructure, which is very, very important to us.
If you go forward and look at page 13, as I've talked about, it significantly enhances our Emerson's data center solutions. It brings a very comprehensive software package.
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It's going to allow much greater visibility inside the entire data center infrastructure to better control the energy consumption, to manage the cost and complexity of the operations. It's going to allow us to basically combine the data center infrastructure and IT device knowledge, and allow us to do a lot more unique solutions capability.
We are going to have to jointly develop some software capability and embed it both inside our products and also the Avocent products that allow us to do more within that data center. We have unique solutions today, but really in the next couple of years we're going to have to develop even more solution capability to offer a stronger solutions aspect for the IT manager.
And the discussion between the two companies has already started, and we're going to have to launch that very quickly post the closing to develop, I think, a very unique product offering in the software and the software management capability and the solution capability, tying our two businesses together in a very uniform capability which will strengthen the offering to the marketplace.
If you go forward, basically what we're talking about here on page 14, if you look on the infrastructure management you see Emerson down there. I mean, the transfer switches, the UPS, the precision cooling, all the capabilities we have today in the infrastructure management. If you go up one more notch, you'll look at the KVM and network connection, and you'll see where the KVM sitting on top of that rack, or on top of that server, is going to allow us to use that capability and that connectivity into the network to bring the infrastructure management knowledge that we have.
As I look at that plant floor of the data center, what we're going to do is we're going to connect and collect and monitor and send that information up into the operating information for the ITSM or optimization at the very top, and allow that data center organization, the IT service management group, the ITSM, to manage the data that we're going to supply them.
We're going to pass this information up. We are not going to be at the top. We're going to pass this information up and allow this information to be used to manage that data center much more efficiently from an energy standpoint. Which racks are going to be coming on? Which racks are going to be going off? Where do you have problems with your servers? Where do you have problems with your UPSes? And that's what this is all about.
It's going to be the room and rack management capabilities, and we are going to create that unique capability at the marketplace to give them that performance optimization, asset management, the configuration, and the real-time monitoring. That's what this game is about, creating the best-in-class capabilities, the products we have out there, both with Emerson and then with Avocent, tying together with a whole infrastructure management capability and a solutions and a software which really creates value for our customer, and it solidifies our presence in this very, very important global marketplace which we serve, as I said, over $2.5 billion today.
If you go forward and you look at the four capabilities and what Avocent does with Emerson, you see the combination of Emerson and Avocent really gives us a lot stronger capabilities in the performance optimization, asset management, and the configuration, and real-time monitoring. Some cases, we -- unique combination right now, we'll have a very strong presence. That's what the solid green dots are.
The yellow ones, we are going to have to work and we're going to have to create a lot more capability, both from a software standpoint and the solutions capability standpoint. But these things can be done over the next couple of years, and you'll see a very strong Emerson/Avocent presence in these four key areas.
This is where the data centers want to go. This is what they need. They need to optimize and they need that asset management, and they need to make sure they are using their energy efficiency the best they can in today's world as you go forward. Energy efficiency is on everyone's mind, as we see, relative to what's going on.
If you go forward to page 16, one of the key things that we've looked at and you look at trying to quantify, as I said earlier, I believe that you have the addition of the current KVM marketplace, which is over $1 billion globally. If you look at what goes on inside the data center today and the opportunity that we can bring from the spend and how we can save them money, we believe that we can create a $1 billion-plus additional served market in the next couple of years.
I personally think it's greater than $1 billion. I think it would be -- it could go $1 billion to $2 billion.
So what we're going to do is we're going to expand the capabilities that we have today in those data centers, and there is a lot of data centers out there. You're looking at, on the left-hand side, 10,000 -- greater than 10,000 square feet -- 35,000 greater than 5,000. And 140,000 worldwide greater than 1,000.
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This is what we're going to take our solution. This is the market we're going to serve. It's a lot of capability -- over 180,000 data centers out there. With our unique solution and product capability, it will allow us to expand the market. That's what this is all about.
We serve this market today, but what we want to do is expand it and take more of a solution capability in, and allow us to grow that $1 billion to $2 billion to $3 billion served market space for us, allow us to penetrate with what I consider a very profitable business aspect that we offer today at network power and also with the Avocent addition.
If you look at the Avocent -- the customer presence and their channel presence, it's going to add to what we have today. If you go forward two charts to chart 18, we are very strong in many of these global customers, these marquee customers, be it HP, be it Ericsson, or IBM or Nortel or Dell.
But with the addition of Avocent, they are very, very strong in HP, IBM, and Dell. So it's going to solidify our marquee account aspect on a global basis, which is very important when it comes to having that credibility on a global reach to serve these very large global marquee customers. And with the addition of Avocent, and the combination of Avocent and Emerson, it'll really strengthen our presence in these key marquees, and this allows us to do more for these customers and give our customers a lot more confidence that we have the solutions and capability to support them as they move forward and go on a global basis.
Going forward to page 19, let's talk about the acquisition. This is, what I'd say, a marquee acquisition for us, as I refer to it. This is a very strategic acquisition for us. This is different than a typical, what I would say, just a pure bolt-on acquisition. It's going to give us -- allow us to expand our market and allow us to do a lot more for our customers.
We expect this transaction to close sometime around January 1. You have the normal, obviously, regulatory approvals around the world. How long it takes, we're not quite sure. But it's going to be sometime in the middle of December, towards the end of December, early January.
And clearly, if you look at it, I would rather not have a stub couple of weeks in here, but I would -- from my perspective, January 1 would be a very nice closing. But we will close when it's appropriate relative to approval from the governments around the world.
We will integrate network -- Avocent within the network power business reporting into Ed Feeney. He is on the phone right now. And create over the next nine to 12 months a relevant Liebert and product solutions capability within Avocent. There's a lot of work to do here.
But this is clearly about creating more technology. It's about creating more of a solution capability. This is not necessarily about what I would call a cost of integration or a synergy case standpoint. This is about growth and improving our global capabilities from a standpoint of a technology and product and solutions for our customer, allowing us to grow more on a global basis.
Both businesses are already very profitable today. I think we can do more, clearly. But this is not about synergies from a cost standpoint. It's about synergies from a growth standpoint.
If you look at the nine months, assuming that -- our fiscal year, we are now into a new fiscal year, 2010. We're glad to get 2009 behind us as we move into 2010, as I told the Board last night.
We will probably have nine months of Avocent, around $400 million of sales. That's an approximate number. We are being conservative. It's hard to say right now exactly once they've closed and what's going to happen, but we're being conservative. It's around $400 million of sales for Emerson.
If you look at the impact for us next year, it will be significant. We have the issue. It's going to be $0.10 -- is our current conservative estimate of this. It's included in the inventory write-offs, amortization of intangibles, acquisition costs which you have to write off, and historical stock awards we'll have to expense.
The key issue for us is that we made the decision that right now we're going to write off the amortization of the intangibles over six years. That's a very fast time period. This is a technology acquisition. I feel much more comfortable getting that behind us over the next five to six years to make sure that we deal with this from the standpoint of not having problems down the road.
It's around $350 million as we look at it right now. Running that off over six years is a very large, non-cash P&L hit to us. But I feel very conservatively that we should do that on a quicker basis, not spreading that over 10 or 12 years, which would be something you could do, but I
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think that would be wrong to do relative to what we want to do with this technology and this innovation that we are going to go forward here. You want to do it quicker, not longer, in my case.
It will be cash flow accretive from an EPS standpoint in 2011. Again, as we get our hands around the acquisition and as we get into -- have the chance to incorporate it, we'll give you tighter numbers as we get into that into our second fiscal quarter, but right now, this is what we -- Walter, Craig, and Ed and I have been looking at this for the last couple of weeks from a conservative standpoint.
We think this is the way to look at it right now. It will hit us $0.10 next year, but it's going to really help us from a growth standpoint, a technology standpoint on a global basis, and clearly we'll get better as we go forward here in the coming years.
Number one issue, as I talked about, is the future development of the software solution to open up an expanded market capabilities for key computer OEMs. Clearly, trying to be able to take our best-in-class assets and infrastructure assets inside the data center, the Avocent best-in-class assets in that data center, and have them all tied together and all communicate together is very, very important.
This opens up a great solution capability both for our customers and our customers' customers. It allows us to do a lot more for them today and really gives us a lot more of a growth platform as we go forward, as we see the marketplace changing as they focus on optimization, as they focus on energy, as they focus on getting the most out of their assets, which many of those assets are our assets in that data center.
So, as I wrap this up, this is a very strategic acquisition for us. It's one that I've been talking about, not by name, but as you've heard me talk about over the years, talking about that what I call strategic marquee adjacent space type acquisition, allowing to solidify and strengthen one of our core businesses, the network power business. In particular, the network power infrastructure for the data center, which is over $2.5 billion today and doing extremely well around the world.
So, I'm welcoming Avocent. It's a great organization. A lot of good people. A lot of great technology. And I think we can strengthen them on a global basis when I look at where we are located today and how strong we are internationally, and I look at what they offer us and what we can do together, so I'm very excited about the capabilities that Avocent is bringing to this party and I'm very excited about the whole solutions aspect of bringing what we have of Liebert and our network power infrastructure today and bringing Avocent to that.
So with that, I would like to open the floor. Clearly, given it's a public company and we have obviously regulatory issues going forward in this, I'm not going to get into a lot of specifics here, more than I'm talking about here, from a numbers standpoint.
But I thought it was very important for our shareholders and our analysts to have an understanding what's behind this move this morning. Why we made a $1.2 billion acquisition in this space, why now, and why this company.
I think you could see with this information we put out there, it's very strategic, it fits as well, and I think we can make a very strong case going forward that it will create value for our shareholders over the long term. With that, I'll open the floor up for questions.
QUESTION AND ANSWER
(Operator Instructions). Bob Cornell, Barclays Capital.
Bob Cornell - Barclays Capital - Analyst
You know, yes, when Emerson is marquee, we pay attention. The -- but you talked about some of the things that need to be developed, right? It sounds like Avocent has been headed in a certain direction, and in order to accommodate the solutions capability you're talking about, you need to change directions a little bit, coordinate, and head in the -- . Maybe if you could just flesh out what you really meant there in terms of developing the capability to do the solutions you're talking about.
David Farr - Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
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I think the key issue is Avocent was moving down the line of creating that communication capability. They have products coming out right now.
But what I want to be able to do is tie the whole infrastructure together. And so, given the fact that we have a strong presence in that data center today, what I want to be able to do is broaden their communication capability across a UPS or precision cooling or the switches, and allow them to do a lot more within the data center today, which they were not going to totally get access to. They could get part of it; it was not very efficient.
You think about it, Bob, you know the process control plant. Now, with a -- just think about a Delta V or an Ovation having total -- totally integrated solution capability within transmitter or control valve. That's what we're talking about here. Creating a very integrated capability to communicate amongst all of these products.
So we're going to have to expand the development effort within Avocent, and also we have with our own company called Aperture, we were doing the same thing. So now we have the two together and we can really expand that offering. That's what that's all about.
And it will take us a couple of years to do that. We have the capability today, but we want to take it to the next level just like the new Delta V that we brought out, announced last week.
Bob Cornell - Barclays Capital - Analyst
The -- you gave us the dilution math and talked about accelerated amortization of intangibles. What sort of financing costs are you assuming as part of that dilution math? In other words, are we assuming just use the cash or are you going to -- are you assuming some sort of cost of debt in that math?
Walter Galvin - Emerson Electric Co. - - SEVP, CFO
Yes, we are using a blended capital structure, so you can say it probably will round to somewhere between 4.5% and 5%, some commercial paper, some long-term debt, because clearly the nature of this is you'd have a chunk of long-term debt as well. We tend to be conservative, as you know, Bob.
Bob Cornell - Barclays Capital - Analyst
Yes, I do.
David Farr - Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
We're not - -- don't assume a commercial rate in this debt.
Walter Galvin - Emerson Electric Co. - - SEVP, CFO
Yes.
David Farr - Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
That's not something -- I think that's totally inappropriate on a long-term investment.
Bob Cornell - Barclays Capital - Analyst
Okay, I will pass the baton. Thanks, you guys. (multiple speakers) Sounds good to me.
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Steve Tusa, JPMorgan.
David Farr - Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
There is a precision cooling aspect in here, in case you want to talk about HVAC.
Steve Tusa - JPMorgan - Analyst
I always like to talk of HVAC, but let's stick to the financials for this one, maybe. So what is the EBIT number? I mean, I guess I could back into it. The $0.10 was something a little bit less than what we would have initially expected, so maybe you could just walk us from EBIT down to that $0.10?
David Farr - Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
Steve, I'm not going to give you that level of detail right now. We will do that in February.
I'm not going to back in -- I mean, this is a public company. They will be announcing their quarter. You'll be able to get their information. I mean, at this point in time, I don't want to get into any more detail. I mean, I've given you the EPS dilution.
And as I've said, when we come back out and announce our earnings in February, this deal will be closed. We can give you a little bit more detail around that, even when we have our New York session. I think you've got enough right now you can work around those numbers, and I appreciate that.
Steve Tusa - JPMorgan - Analyst
Okay. So, from a -- but from a, like, I guess a return-on-capital perspective, what's the - -- what's kind of the hurdle rate you are thinking here? Three years out?
David Farr - Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
It's going to be a little longer. When I talk about our strategic marquee deals, it takes us typically a little bit -- more like a five, six, seven type of years. This is not a -- I mean, if you think about a little bolt-on acquisition, I can do that in a one- or a two-year, three-year time period. This is a little bit different situation here.
Steve Tusa - JPMorgan - Analyst
Okay, and what historically on those bolt-ons do you usually target, just for background?
David Farr - Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
If you look at our return on total capital of the years we're talking, typically anywhere from 13% to 18% to 20%. This one is going to be more down in the lower double-digit level.
Steve Tusa - JPMorgan - Analyst
Okay, and I noticed that APCC is a customer of theirs, I think.
Unidentified Company Representative
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Yes, they are. (multiple speakers)
Steve Tusa - JPMorgan - Analyst
Are they - -- I know they're not a top 10, but are they a sizable customer and are you worried about any kind of loss of business there, given that you guys are big competitors?
David Farr - Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
Oh, they're a competitor of ours?
Steve Tusa - JPMorgan - Analyst
I think so.
David Farr - Emerson Electric Co. - Chairman, CEO, President
I can't - -- I forgot about that. It's less than $5 million, Steve.
Steve Tusa - JPMorgan - Analyst
And then, one last question, I guess you guys have no obligation to update your guidance at this stage of the game, right? Even though the quarter's closed?