Alan Shaw: Yeah, you know from our seat, we have a unique view of the U.S economy. We basically handle, touch every market that’s out there. The automotive franchise is still doing really well. Construction market seems like it’s heating up a little bit. Truck market is still really loose and that drives some weakness in our intermodal franchise. But look, we are investing in the long-term. We are improving our service product. We’re improving productivity. That’s starting to drive growth for us. So, I’ve got a lot of confidence about where we’re going in the back half of this year and beyond.
Jim Cramer: Okay so the challengers, they want more of what’s called precision rail. They have a fellow, Jamie Boychuk who was from CSX. They want him to be the COO. Not a nominee but they felt Jim Barber, UPS for a long time—you mentioned UPS—William Clyburn, was a former Commissioner and Vice Chair of US Service Transportation. Governor Kasich, Ohio. I mean if you have the problem in East Palestine, he could be of assistance. These people seem like, it’s got to be somebody they might want? No?
Alan Shaw: Well look, Jim, we have a really strong board. We’ve got thirteen nominees, which includes former CEOs, we’ve got direct rail and transportation experience, we’ve got a former admiral and we’ve got rail safety advocates. We have a really strong board. We’ve gone to the activists, and we have offered a settlement. Their responses have been unreasonable.
Jim Cramer: You’ve interviewed the people and you said listen maybe we can have someone if you want, and they said no?
Alan Shaw: Yeah, we’ve offered a settlement. Their response has been –
Jim Cramer: Can you give some inkling or is that private? About what the settlement is?
Alan Shaw: We’ve offered a couple board seats.
Jim Cramer: You have?
Alan Shaw: Yes.
Jim Cramer: To people you interviewed you went through the process?
Alan Shaw: We went through the process, we offered seats. Ancora’s looking for wholesale change, and our board firmly believes that is — drives long term shareholder disruption.
Jim Cramer: If you take out the East Palestine incident, which I know is very hard because it’s a terrible thing, your numbers were getting better.
Alan Shaw: Jim, since I became CEO, our velocity’s improved 27%, right? We delivered record revenue in 2022. We were making a lot of improvements. Our safety improved last year. Mainline accident rate declined by 38% so we’re improving service, we’re improving growth. We gotta improve productivity, that’s what we’re doing right now.
Jim Cramer: Well let’s talk about the operating ratio is higher than CSX, it is higher than Union Pacific. It again was coming down until, I don’t know I mean how do we get that one down to say, can you ever get it to 62 like CSX or 62 like Union Pacific? Is that in the cards for you?
Alan Shaw: Sure it is. We announced a plan and targets for a sub 60 OR in the next three to four years. Alright, we’ve got the leadership and we’ve got the plan to deliver that.
Jim Cramer: Well, I don’t know, I mean I like – I did not know candidly that you had actually offered the board seats. I know that there had been discussions that’s, you know. I’m thinking it in the context of Disney where there were no real discussion, no real help and — that’s a company that has radically underperformed and your company hasn’t radically underperformed. Now give me a sense of the lessons of the incident of East Palestine. And I say that because I thought that could dog you forever. But you did some things that made it so people were able to recognize how responsible you were.