HONGYU CAI: OK. So just to follow up, someone asked about the potential hedging of copper sales going forward, so I just want to confirm, you said you don’t anticipate any hedging, even just partially going forward.
RICHARD ADKERSON: We do not anticipate any forward sales of copper.
HONGYU CAI: OK.
RICHARD ADKERSON: And we talked about it for years, we’ve monitored the cost of puts. Freeport purchased puts in the 1990s. We’ve been monitoring them recently. We were in a situation with our company where we had very low capital expenditures and didn’t really need - and so there wasn’t the situation we were in, in the 1990s, and we’ll continue to do that, but philosophically we’re not going to cap prices.
HONGYU CAI: OK. Thank you.
OPERATOR: Thank you. Your next question is coming from Brian MacArthur with UBS.
BRIAN MACARTHUR, UBS: Good morning. Just a couple of questions. First of all, just following up on the hedging, given historically you mentioned Freeport gets sort of a blended copper gold multiple and probably in the new entity you won’t. Given that, why wouldn’t you consider hedging gold going forward, potentially?
RICHARD ADKERSON: Well, there’s - gold is an interesting situation. It has option value in it that gives you some financial opportunities. Brian, you’ll recall that in the 90s we issued gold index preferred shares and were in effect able to take advantage of that opportunity with financing. Those types of things might be available to us as we go forward. We’ve considered over time the idea of dividing our business in some fashion between the copper and gold elements, and others in the industry have done things of that nature, and so that might give us other opportunities, so those are things that we will be examining to see if we can find ways to unlock more value out of our gold stream because of the special way that it’s valued in the financial models.
BRIAN MACARTHUR: OK. Second question. You mentioned, you know, financial synergies. Just going forward, your tax rate, I mean, obviously you’ve got tax rates in Indonesia, Phelps Dodge has them all over the world. The debt can fit somewhere. I guess you can ask the question two ways. Do you know what a pro forma tax rate is or how do you structure it to, you know, maximize that because I would think historically there should be some synergies there.
RICHARD ADKERSON: There well could be. As you know, well, Freeport generates a lot of tax benefits in the U.S. that we can’t use through our corporate expenses and interest costs ...
BRIAN MACARTHUR: Right.
RICHARD ADKERSON: ... while Dodge is an AMT taxpayer in the U.S., but over time there should be opportunities for us to do things on a more tax efficient basis than we have in the past. Everything’s going to vary depending on the levels of taxable income that are generated in individual operations. We’ll try to give you as much of a road map for that, Brian, as we can in our SEC filings and going forward in our periodic earnings reports.
BRIAN MACARTHUR: But it obviously wasn’t something, it doesn’t sound like you spent a lot of time for the rationale of the transaction at all.
RICHARD ADKERSON: Man, I’d say the rationale of the transaction, once we started really thinking about it, was so clear it went beyond things like tax matters.
BRIAN MACARTHUR: That’s what I thought. Next question. Just - you talk about a $15 billion dollars, you know, net debt number pro forma for the transaction that’s being proposed right now. Is that - and you made another comment in here about getting all the cash out you could. Is that a net debt number consolidated or is - have you taken a minority interest or how do you assume if you repay for annuity if Phelps Dodge international debt back in that, taken the withholding tax posture, or is it just kind of a growth number?
RICHARD ADKERSON: That’s a consolidated number.
BRIAN MACARTHUR: OK.
RICHARD ADKERSON: And that’s why, and Phelps Dodge talked about this on their most recent earnings call about the tax - we have this issue in Indonesia, you know, if we transfer taxes from PTFI to FCX, there’s minority distributions to the government, there’s withholding tax. Phelps Dodge has similar situations with their operations, and so of that consolidated cash, taking into account those factors, is what left us with the $2.5 billion dollars to use in the acquisition.
BRIAN MACARTHUR: Right. OK. So that’s been adjusted for?
RICHARD ADKERSON: Right.
BRIAN MACARTHUR: And similarly the EBITDA numbers you’re giving, again they’re just consolidated EBITDA numbers, right? The minority interest all has to be adjusted for later, then?
RICHARD ADKERSON: That’s correct, and that’s the way, you know, the accounting rules work. You just have to consolidate operations. We’ve shown some production reserves numbers net of minority interest, but yes, you’re right. In terms of actually managing the debt, managing the cash flows, we’ll have to deal with the impact of getting cash to the parent.
BRIAN MACARTHUR: And the final question, and this may be a hard one to answer, but you said you and your financial advisors looked at all the valuation metrics. On an NPV basis, do you know what copper price this is viewed as, like how low you can go and it’s still accretive?
RICHARD ADKERSON: Yes. We have looked at this issue on a number of financial metrics in terms of lower copper prices. The principal one that we use because, you know, NPV calculations are varied depending on how analysts approach it, but in looking in terms of cash flow accretion, you have to go significantly lower than where we are today for this not to be accretive for us.
BRIAN MACARTHUR: Right. On a cash flow basis, I’m sure it’s very accretive in EPS, but you know on an NPV what it’s accretive at?
RICHARD ADKERSON: Well, again, NPV calculations depend on the methods that you use to calculate ...
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BRIAN MACARTHUR:Sure.
RICHARD ADKERSON: ... calculations. I have tons of data.I don’t havesomething that I can answer your questions specifically.
BRIAN MACARTHUR: No, that’s fair enough. I understand there’s a lot of sensitivities in that. Thanks very much and good luck.
RICHARD ADKERSON: Alright. Thanks, Brian. Appreciate your interest.
OPERATOR: Thank you. Your next question is coming from Tony Rizzuto with Bear Stearns.
TONY RIZZUTO, BEAR STEARNS: Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone. It sounds pretty exciting. Got a number of questions. Some of these have been partially answered.
The first one I have is with the cash flow assumptions you made, that you presented in slides, assuming $500 per ounce gold and $15 per pound molybdenum what does this equate to in terms of the unit operating cost per pound of ore?
RICHARD ADKERSON: Well, you know, that was one of the interesting things that we gained when we looked at Phelps Dodge’s operations. Tony, you know that at Grasberg for years we operated with zero cost, negative cost, because of the impact of the gold credit and the cost structure.
TONY RIZZUTO: Right.
RICHARD ADKERSON: In our corporations over the past five years, before credits our costs have doubled.
TONY RIZZUTO: Yes.
RICHARD ADKERSON: Gross costs have doubled. Some of that’s made up of the fact that the mine is deeper or hauls are longer. That means wear and tear on equipment and maintenance costs. Energy costs, steel costs, input costs have all been major factors, and so our recent unit costs which are driven by copper volumes and gold volumes, gold prices, have risen. When we look at going underground today, there is not the difference between block caving underground in Grasberg and open pit mining on the unit basis that we once had. When we looked over at the Phelps Dodge situation, you know, the world’s perception always was that Freeport was extraordinary low cost, Phelps Dodge was extraordinary high cost. They had low grade mines but they have low stripping ratios and they’ve had to manage that operation during periods of low prices. They also sell some copper concentrate, but their basic business is direct extraction of copper, and there is not the difference between those two operations from a cost standpoint than - that I think many would perceive.
If you look at their properties in the southwest copper district where they have 25 billion pounds of copper and they have higher production volumes aggregate than we do at Grasberg, our total aggregate costs for those two operations are roughly similar. They don’t have the gold credit. They have some molybdenum credit. At the end of the day with the copper price situation as it is, there are going to be very significant margins to be earned out of this business, and the cost will be competitive from the industry perspective. The industry’s unit costs really have, you know, it’s interesting to watch it with
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the effects of molybdenum on credits. The Sierrita mine which is a very old mine, is maybe the lowest cost mine in the world today because it’s negative cost because of molybdenum. Two-thirds of Phelps Dodge production is from SX/EW, so we’re going to be presenting cost information on a going forward basis and when you see that I think you’ll understand what I’m saying about this margin analysis.
TONY RIZZUTO: Richard, do you consider the long-run price for copper today in this environment with these higher costs to be, you know, one and a quarter per pound or above that, maybe one and a quarter to 150 per pound, even?
RICHARD ADKERSON: Tony, you know, you and I have spent a lot of time talking about this price deal. I know many people in the industry and many of the consultants talk about a long-run average price ...
TONY RIZZUTO: Right.
RICHARD ADKERSON: ... and when I look back at price movement, be damned if I can pick one. I mean the prices are being driven by the factors at any point in time, they move up and down depending on the business cycle and other factors. You just know with the kind of cost structure in the industry that it’s having an impact on the way that people run the business and the way that people look at developing new projects. There are uncertainties in the market, and if we - we’re not prepared to deal with this company, combined company, with the view that we might have lower prices we’d be imprudent, and we’ll be able to deal with that better together than either company could have apart.
TONY RIZZUTO: Alright. Just two more quick ones, if I may. Any opportunities to bring on Tenke even more quickly or possibly initially with a greater scale?
RICHARD ADKERSON: We’re going to be looking at that very closely.
TONY RIZZUTO: OK. And just a follow-up, I know the hedging, a lot of questioning, it’s been obviously a lot of folks have been asking, but is there any intention to buy back any of the PD hedges?
RICHARD ADKERSON: We’re going to look at all alternatives. You know, the economics of that will drive what happens. I mean, I think it’s - you understand, but just for clarification, Phelps Dodge will be settling their hedge contract for 2006 in the first quarter of next year, there’s a cash payment the way these were structured. They have hedges that only go through 2007, and they’ll be settled early in 2008.
TONY RIZZUTO: Yes. But you’re looking at all these things actively?
RICHARD ADKERSON: Man, we’re going to look at every aspect of this business.
TONY RIZZUTO: Alright. Listen, all the best to you guys.
RICHARD ADKERSON: ...with our new management team.
JAMES R. MOFFETT: Richard Adkerson, this is Jim Bob. I’d like to just make a comment. We’ve had so many questions about synergies and different things about how we would consider the expansion of Tenke at a faster rate. I think the synergies in this company, you try to say it 100 times to these
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questions, is that we now have these companies to be run under one management team. Freeport has conducted business as a company that has a large mine but had one country of operation. Phelps Dodge had to run their mine without having Tenke developed and spent their time looking for a Grasberg. The combined assets, the synergy in this company will be the ability of the single management team to run these assets as a combined company and there will be many things that will be done differently because both companies couldn’t make the same decisions that we can make by having this panoply of assets around the world, and some people have said that the discount of the Freeport stock, we’ve had the headline risk and the Indonesian risk as spoken as one of the reasons why FCX showed as a discount. We’ve never known what that real discount is. Some people thought we should give a higher multiple because of gold, some people thought we ought to get a higher multiple because of our long life reserves, but there was all this talk about the fact that we had a one country, one mine asset. We don’t have that today. When there would be - when the hedging and all of these other questions come up, PD had to do what they had to do to run their company without the ability of having the Grasberg as part of its asset base. We would be looking at what we do exploration-wise. We’ll review all of the exploration projects around the world and see how would we restructure our exploration, if at all, based on the new asset base, so I want the group that’s listening to this call to understand that when we’ve gone through this transaction to say that this is the right time to put these assets together, it gives our management teams the tremendous amount of new flexibility to use our creative ability to take this new Freeport company and do the kind of things we’ve done in the past, and the people that own both stocks, who are in these stocks because they had confidence in the management team. Well now you’ve got the opportunity to see what the combined management teams and these combined properties can do, and I assure you the synergies that we come out of this because of the creativity and the flexibility that we now have to run these assets in a different fashion than they’ve been run as a single company, will be overwhelming and we haven’t had a chance to be able to sit down and really come to all the right decisions about that, but that’s the opportunities to build value that are not in either one of these stocks, so I just feel like overall that when we’re talking about synergies, management decisions, price considerations, hedging, the whole thing, our outlook is going to be completely different from the companies. We’ve answered specifically what our management has done, and you’ve given good answers to that, but believe me, these companies run as a combined company, we’ll have so many synergies and strategic values that we’re just fixing to have the opportunity to open and give you the benefit of seeing the real value of both companies as a combined company. Thank you, Richard.
RICHARD ADKERSON: Thanks, Jim Bob.
TONY RIZZUTO: Both gentlemen, thank you very much for the increased clarification.
RICHARD ADKERSON: OK, Tony. Thanks.
We’re going to take two more questions. I’m going to be out talking with investors to further explain this deal. If we can’t get to your question today, we look forward to having the chance to respond to you directly. So let’s take two more questions.
OPERATOR: Thank you. Your next question is coming from Gary Lampart with Canaccord Adams.
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GARY LAMPARD, CANACCORD ADAMS: Thank you. I have two questions. The first one is on the debt. Typically debt holders are - or debt providers, sorry, are a little bit more wary of the commodity cycle than companies can be. What sort of security have the debt providers asked for and what is the cost of that debt?
RICHARD ADKERSON: Well, the cost of the debt is very attractive, as I said. Not only is this the right time for the companies to do this. The fact that we can go to the debt markets in such attractive basis and deal with this is what allows us to do it. We’re going to be doing this on an unsecured - on the notes, the bonds will be unsecured. They will be standard high-yield bonds. We expect those to be in the range of 8.5 percent bonds, but they’ll be at the market price. The term loan financing will be secured and they will be at standard rates for a company with our credit profile, so the financing, (INAUDIBLE) investment (INAUDIBLE) cuts. The company in Freeport, we didn’t have that opportunity because we were in Indonesia, and fortunately today in the high-yield market the financing’s available in attractive terms, and we’re going to structure this debt, take advantage of that and also have the flexibility of paying it off.
GARY LAMPARD: OK. Thank you. The second question is the - is on the cost structure of Phelps Dodge’s U.S. operations. I understand what molybdenum doing for the costs there at the moment, but in an environment of lower commodity prices, there’s a reasonable risk that some of those operations, some of the major operations, could end up in the top quartile of the cost curve again. Would you agree with that and would you consider that to be a major issue or not?
RICHARD ADKERSON: Well, the issue as planned for, and I know that Phelps Dodge has done a good job of planning for it as a standalone company. One of the factors that will happen with the new structure, we’ll have more flexibility in dealing with that as we went forward because Phelps wouldn’t have to be pushing as hard as it might have to otherwise to do vitals. There’s operations that can be flexed and one of our plans will be to take steps to deal with prices. One of the factors underlying what we believe is the much improved structural situation in the industry is that consolidation is putting the control of mines and development projects, too, in the hands of companies that are financially stronger and have the ability of dealing with lower prices, and I think that means the industry is structurally better placed for going forward.
GARY LAMPARD: OK. Thank you.
OPERATOR: Thank you. Our final question will come from Shivanker Saxena with Barclays Capital.
RICHARD ADKERSON: OK, let me add something else to that, though. I think, you know, I emphasized this thing about the idea of what would you do if the prices were lower. Our view is the high likelihood that the world’s going to need copper. When you look at the demand factors, the way that copper is used, the need for urbanization and industrialization around the world, copper is tied to industrial output in the U.S. and developed countries, but run it - we have to plan for the fact that we may have to deal with lower prices, but the opportunity here is our shareholders are going to get access to enormous copper resources in a world that looks like it’s going to be needing copper in the future. You look at the strategies throughout the industry of what people are doing to plan for that, and they are talking about projects that have very long range horizons for making investments and adding to the ability to produce
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copper. We’re going to have a company that’s going to have those long horizon type investment opportunities and we’re going to have a company that’s going to be producing a lot of copper right now, so this is a question, really, of looking at this as an opportunity and doing it in a way that prudently can deal with however the world deals cards to us, but the opportunity is we’re going to have copper in a world that’s going to need copper.
OK. Next question.
OPERATOR: Thank you. Our final question will come from Shivanker Saxena with Barclays Capital.
SHIVANKER SAXENA, BARCLAYS CAPITAL: Hi. Good morning. Any comment on your plans for existing debt? I know you have some high priced debt out there.
RICHARD ADKERSON: Yes. Our company does have remaining $282 million dollars of our 10 1/8% bonds that’s callable early next year, and we’ll be reviewing what we do with that. Our plans were to call it, but this will fold into our overall financial plan for this transaction, and that might change.
SHIVANKER SAXENA: And the Phelps Dodge debt?
RICHARD ADKERSON: It will all be managed in terms of an overall financial plan for how we deal with what we do going forward.
SHIVANKER SAXENA: OK. And ...
RICHARD ADKERSON: And we’ll be reporting to you on that with our financial plans, our operating plans. We have a philosophy of being highly transparent with that, and that’s what you’re going to see from us going forward.
SHIVANKER SAXENA: Sure. Just a final question. Could you comment on your discussions with the agencies?
RICHARD ADKERSON: You have to come out with agencies as you normally do in transactions like this. We make the case that with the structure that we have, we’re actually in an improved credit situation and we’re waiting to hear from them, but we had good discussions with them.
SHIVANKER SAXENA: Great. And you did mention that you will have secured bank debt in place?
RICHARD ADKERSON: Bank debt, we will have a bank facility and we’ll have debt from the institutional loan market.
SHIVANKER SAXENA: Great. Thank you.
RICHARD ADKERSON: Well, thanks a lot, everybody. We appreciate your interest. We’re really excited about this and we look forward to talking with you as we go forward and proceed with the transaction. It’s a great company and we believe we’re going to work hard to be attractive to the investment community to be responsive to shareholders, and we appreciate your support.
OPERATOR: Thank you. This concludes today’s Freeport-McMoRan Conference Call. You may now disconnect.
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