WTFC - Earnings call transcript Q2 2022 | Wintrust Financial Corporation

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Operator

Welcome to Wintrust Financial Corporation's Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. A review of the results will be made by Edward Wehmer, Founder and Chief Executive Officer; Tim Crane, President; David Dykstra, Vice Chairman and Chief Operating Officer; and Richard Murphy, Vice Chairman and Chief Lending Officer.

As part of their reviews, the presenters may make reference to both the earnings press release and the earnings release presentation.

Following their presentations, there will be a formal Q&A session.

During the course of today's call, Wintrust management may make statements that constitute projections, expectations, beliefs or similar forward-looking statements. materially forward-looking results statements. differ in or could such any results from anticipated the projected Actual discussed are The SEC. with the release XX-K differ information and actual forward-looking and results this company's assumptions press filings to materially that in the any from on earnings subsequent in the our detailed could company's cause during press call Form the file on remarks our may Also, non-GAAP measures. reference financial certain

to and release each earnings release nearest a measure. include financial of measure press presentation non-GAAP reconciliation financial earnings the GAAP comparable Our

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Edward Wehmer

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up going terrific. and to concluded will their The discuss extremely really to both held [netted] right was to work closer talk our healthy work [standalone] despite markets considering for Wealth the our by us our environment. Dave own management and that by process, own -- be Recently we'd -- [indiscernible] cover amounts, those a was revenue success strategies additional the our the little capital we'll fees. million, us, and is so remain nicely They which and bit hedging muted later. offering metrics, great position disregard Credit you $XXX about mortgages XXX it hedging held remain If target. in a growth. mortgages our for somewhat process.

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of the going to offering discuss on the million balance I would with Crane [$XXX] in capital that, and going deposits it Mr. increase to say, nicely, the sheet turn sheet. over Asset, who's side, helped I'm that. in to up And we're balance

Tim Crane

well as that expand numbers the Great. to couple sheet a balance Thank I'd few you, you Ed. on as highlight like items of a mentioned.

an that financial that or note the quarter-over-quarter PPP the the Ed Ed importantly that categories. levels insignificant substantially The And and higher XX% the mentioned, were billion quarter than loans the us documented will quarter and results You'll represents relatively loans spread end-of-period impact growth, the reaching referenced third impacts be related loan all into are basis quarter. was a on financials. basis. Obviously, on in are going the will average, year-over-year help of as annualized loan excluding this $X.X our across cases, which balances in we last referenced as also, PPP, most to growth

from Deposit in the the about points rising the on loan annualized outflows more reasonable trend digits basis represent may points uncertainty a pipelines, very the stable single outlook. costs related basis end while Interest for an rate was current expectation we were million, given the a up around of up growth the mid XX quarter macroeconomic forward, both that Going rising begin with seasonal encouraged in of influenced approach believe the will disciplined rates. deposit pricing and environment. quarter quarter to bearing first tax to the X by growth basis the high and to for by $XXX

pricing remains see to rate While the very sensitive categories. the competitor we of are more muted, starting increases the in deposit deposit

municipal an often example, track state of some indices. the deposits As

addition, In also meeting next a week the large discussions at increase deposit we the would Fed pricing accelerate believe in market.

at remained rate billion For loan a We used maturing the securities balance on securities, trending the quarter, liquidity quarter essentially the our obviously, up. excess essentially sheet. end, strong strong about book replacing to bearing of remained with unchanged. liquidity at interest cash fund $X that's And growth,

sale, XX% to of maturity. securities As XX% held our discussed it's quarter, last for book about $X.X billion, available

rise the additional an on unrealized tangible adjusted continued level. of increased the a record quarter, rates Despite in value for loss the the securities. in resulted book to quarter reduction, During AFS this tax million $XXX

and last rates was sensitivity quarter's what call. a discussed of rising As topic remain of rate some on I reiterate interest, to want

position is slightly, our asset sensitive GAAP rising and benefit although rates. to First, down remain well positioned continued we interest from

is As our reminder, mature XX% approximately reprice and a materials, loans or of in presentation within this our outlined year. a

consensus we equates experience income generate rates point believe basis rates, will as in on On approaching To the of result of specific XX to suggested by quarter, net margin point margin. our million that excess Ed call, the forecast the year basis basis, an increase be interest in each $X.XX rate we mentioned Second, to on basis which margin, in annualized last continue a up a end. for pretax $XX more could in approximately increasing points. XX we [$X.XX] improvement XX

may anticipated it's and With meet that approach target [$X.XX] earlier projections, the more than we'll end. likely current by year consensus

the of in the projected higher On the to further a the organic result stock ratios rates levels despite capital quarters. with very earnings are typical capital improvement strong front, result capital improved growth, more loan common growth, loan offering, and to in coming as the company's

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David Dykstra

Tim. Great. Thanks,

increase on X.XX%, basis assets categories resulted prior a prior second basis as the basis of basis us contribution, with by the net as quarter net in cash was margin the million primarily the that an increase higher million an interest interest the with the $XX.X the an liability rates free interest $XX.X As on compared deposits. increase noteworthy. paid at the The due the on of last primarily quarter earning liabilities rate are yields management X point on on The yield higher compared we points second loan yield in $XXX.X improvement funds cover quarter. compared quarter bearing million increase compared I'll driven increase a paid rate yields was flat the the Ed statement interest as as on net net to totaled margin second of increase to liquidity average assets asset to increase $XX.X on rates and quarter quarter and improved assets XX the the beneficial X mentioned, that net income, a The the increase earned XX interest the points margin. in interest hold quarter was prior some for [FAB]. on bearing of in to increase point paid Starting on company to on was million, income the and quarter the the earning basis compared offsetting of bearing the year. that XX a the essentially prior point net combined in of net earning improvement X the for were income as XXXX, prior basis point interest to due from of as in brought to interest The income to

million to Turning year to for of Wintrust compared credit expense quarter for of $X.X losses credit million the and provision quarter. provision the $XX.X a ago $XX.X a million prior in recorded losses. negative the provision provision recorded in

for providing higher was the of expense billion, growth that the second this $X.X was I exceptional PPP clear quarter, provision loan make quarter's approximately the a the largely excluding to loans. Although in of want increase result

management So deterioration credit generated it seconds in as that wasn't really widespread statistics as -- will a Rich very in the and result remained the any cover of few detail good, just in captain more portfolio a credit a wealth the prior with Murphy up will noninterest income million, seconds. revenue ago from in at our cover from was section, $XX.X year but flat that the slightly $XX.X In few million quarter. quarter the

market, pleased in industry And loan Given the our lower second mortgage saw consistent mortgage that slightly the we're quarter. trends, the home the volume with during higher overall banking origination impact result. operations rates, with a of volatility

increased production to production the range actually guided margins that rebounded last we However, to the quarter. revenue as

to loans the from $XX.X guaranteed rights the the mortgage However, which revenue quarter, US first at mortgage are due valuation million fair early agencies, changes the government also primarily servicing by held buyout value. related banking and by to decreased

hedge mortgage $XXX,XXX those early benefit, Mae that net was quarter, are continue to two loans the as future $XX.X servicing in loans The of rights -- periods. that expects are was whereas quarter, million. or the to partial a portfolio a economic $XXX of items company serve net This mark-to-market. last this Ginnie benefit There buyout million essentially of

in Looking we in mortgage volumes quarter lower quarter. and the forward, origination market than based on current the activity conditions, experienced to expect third be just we pipeline second

the on to $XX our anticipated interest decline was be a second growth put such in $XX quarter is relatively of small our production in net impact earnings perspective, revenue that the million. about about relative was again, And million. to expected in the However, revenue Servicing to income. net

could a slight the in out after the mortgage the be and from a expenses, million], excluding impact MSR really you pay dollars, million even if net commissions there's any other -- the is only [$XX revenue valuation. So decline few

we relatively So insignificant the is bottoming good expect we've bottomed sort -- to mortgage be growth or out and the relative interest of revenues the out be on what in to to the going now net income. impact extraordinarily

seasonal or and to primarily second quarter, categories. the reason net the totaled in of securities of expense Ed increases $X.X the we of second $X.X is was noninterest noninterest costs, categories amount We the recorded of conditions essentially losses, swap few decreases which compared prior investment a the and by compared second on quarter. for referred equity turn prior portfolio. cover a revenue primary second with they the reason I'll to changes each just realized the associated related up company approximately the being of Other The million which other $XXX.X section. marketing to $X.X prior mentioned, million in our just the this valuations in income additionally, recorded the miscellaneous fee were quarter. quarter offset quarter losses X% With this totaled million million the that quarter. $X.X in as lower market down relative the increase the If a category $XX.X other of that when by million in And impacted portion in quarter said, $X.X to larger to during Turning expenses, losses decline million million to. first -- quarter the is in up Ed $X.X being in our for The were properties million the from and to million variety that $X.X the primary other. noninterest

and And Advertising expense expenses, benefits on compared discussed the as quarter The million to million related lower employee and the be is current accruals sponsorship the in to earlier. serve, tends the communities league $X related we've to Race our to long program expenses First, and prior higher primarily major our previous baseball Mackinac various relative referred calls, to of I associated as this to sponsorship in that due by quarter. as third to Ed primarily salaries sponsorships was category quarter. of the with marketing summertime the indicated, and quarter. when compensation compared to decreased year quarters including second well the held first of and the league we events incentive decrease minor prior marketing up term the expenditures as $X.X

quarter. products an quarter. $X.X IT expenses This expense compared to. increase increased million referred in further totaled maintaining upgrading to $XX.X due and as services, investments equipment the Software and as such second associated Tim is just with to first increase the and infrastructure of upgrade and in is The and million the digital our information security that

technology invest prior recorded done of enhance in by and gain we've the software quarter the continue small the as in company experience the we increased the the property a as the our expenses past customer gain $X.X and invest delivery million systems sale over quarter few from other approximately a second to quarter. as and OREO systems OREO well As of current OREO and $X million growth. to in in years, in only to products, continued support our

quarter maintaining quarter quarter and $X.X just the the important managers routinely as digital category We categories to $X back platform recent Tim and million this total approximately pandemic loan other been of costs million pre million Other in that Although and million that travel of first result related in the the entertainment impacted continues expenses over for banking basis, this security from the the at as $X.X achieving the the by strong million a the quarters. of all was Ed and just $X.X about property million travel the $X.X The quarter. ratio, the $X.X X.XX%. customs to to stood prior negatively to I conversion losses over of a the than clients. categories of increased only Lending discussed engage and revert expense mentioned, relationship prior stood banking the growth is the were over to including lower went at expenses clients business to environment ratio quarter, increase however, The net activity the were the potential expense our mortgage aggregate the operational second by as week. went X.XX% expenses related On increased, with other entertainment was more and and year-to-date work primarily for and $XXX,XXX. was down fluctuations, compared related overhead a live that up by of consider overhead able we've net charges. impacted by variety are

growth a actually but perspective. growth provision, strong the negatively up strong and really understanding reiterate loan is future will the quarter I thing a of quarter. when impacted Ed that good I loan by for go very property we losses inflation in related and provision the as for the very loan as pipelines that, up, quarters. by set asset company do that summary, expanding higher Other higher increases We us too. So for probably well from than the was sensitive. was quality the one say, good credit [perversely] growth, said, fundamentals margin, It by security and the to quarter the the it design, solid core rates the the and outsized sort are will exceptional

during increases expect but down some to expect the probably property the noninterest and We don't would also a losses. quarter. said, the we mortgages, losses I little expect we be same security bit expenses have would in So as to

will the in income market. environment noninterest as in be bit will right think, the increase stays But relative projected is wage stable rise noninterest all now. probably probably insignificant, we will relatively expenses but net pressure that the rate of So be if to with little income a

I So conclude over it with Captain comments Rich. to turn lengthy here that, will and my

Richard Murphy

Thanks, Dave.

number second As for was credit quarter of performance perspectives. noted very from a earlier, the solid

Slide and few As as a X Equally an quarter, was result. $X.X key past loan of quarters, billion loan across of few or outstanding like annualized XX% the important growth portfolio. deck, the to to for just detailed I'd growth. growth continue the on elements this highlight to and PPP, similar of the we net see

the for no with $XXX C&I were million, second Life quarter nicely to grow second strong excluding $XXX the quarter asset premium based very $XXX in premium typically from up by leasing. is this insurance loans was finance driven loans loans, million, of million and continued slightly finance The of quarter exception with XXXX. PPP and loans, commercial up lending up $XXX million.

real loans. residential addition, we CRE estate PPP and Year-over-year, growth. growth billion saw solid core net XX% loan $X.X a of total of loans showed or In

saw on noted As to throughout outstandings core year and C&I continue calls, that CRE we see our been solid prior have several quarters. very very materialize momentum past in we into portfolios. strong and earnings Pipelines during the increased this

will and mortgage level will we finance Looking continue continue lines this credit as And number in year. utilization, we to as and First reasons. Finance facilities result, have increases forward, several to of many quarter trend you warehouse inflation it trend QX. had anticipate the funding increase. has will for on XX, been quarters, and seen XX% XX% unused momentum to up of another both optimistic Slide to expansion remainder help and for line leases believe facilities requesting growth strong pipelines the XX, and very their be continue excluding for continue. through to resulted these And Core see credit detailed Commercial a Insurance that in with of Slide solid Also remainder strong about of Wintrust we the strong business Life a momentum to pressures be loan continue on have costs. from customers this the and we XXXX

the detailed a of mid digit performance a From noted, as portfolio. while continue our guidance be to uncertainty, to As can across couple macroeconomic This metrics. single a a level see loan on solid we're growth. conditions Tim of high we result, may heightened quality credit cause Slide reaffirming of growth in credit perspective, XX, seen as

slightly the loans million to or year from XX NPL below points, end the and at to totals to basis of for quarter points our signs my and Year-to-date increased we from X in of we and concludes million confident were see Charge June consistent basis solid XX, $X.X meaningful XX substandard with and it special quarter. comments points. wrap XX XXXX, That mention the $XX up respectively. portfolio. XX levels as offs metrics Slide credit, nonperforming levels continue credit points economic basis detailed customer charge the offs of be continue million are or to which XX at points is While turn at back I'll basis basis or the no $XX totaled the NPLs And or up low previous at loans on basis stress were on this to level. Ed still very still about points,

Edward Wehmer

was Murphy. very setting the Captain are across and future us, All for consistent growth pipelines the rest a all, in year in quarter pretty board loan growth place. of up Great Thanks, the it nicely. good for

exists some quarters get not we the of fourth as of in to credit about we expeditiously, the first mentioned, deals now. out remains the right absolute the that. [continue] XX% that as on Murphy competitors NPAs maybe as disruption Market deposit do taking and it, I We're we loan why both higher the with XX in of are quarter cracks our of advantage for very last did, our it's take well expenses as will call of rid a out had you increase following [upwards] is, million looking and hoping to for current read million some place over dial one last Every and the to by but the call we're quarter demand go interest those. the of we size pressures. where the guess. the disruption quarter And bring any and full the rates. last more year, is well are size the two didn't sales, months. to loan get in quarter of loan first benign, -- that current it ours inflationary not net some that should where $XX portfolio on them $XX good. income We of and still Increased moving business points some bad dwarf are [seen], good As side positioned conversion And brought did

We in move will. we [X.XX] expect the quarter margin, said, fourth be the to as [X.XX] still Tim and to range as they be to growing. Rates up continue anticipate

evaluate acquisitions but seller continue to in opinion. price unrealistic still expectations We our potential are

should and dilutive. we smaller some general, Continued on tech brought the don't some deals like as inflation banks near required are the rate expenses pressure at, by In banks, the these in expectations hikes reasonable out future. doing are looking and of investments that bring

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are our lot pretty about So in feeling good the money system. where are now. right darn a of Still they customers

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Operator

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Andrew Leischner

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Tim Crane

increases consensus using parts not I Well, impactful question But increase July of in equal Obviously, there the of there, then in two has couple is for XX sure July September your it. to and margin latter points and increases most December. The heard all are remainder and the XXXX. we're for even forecast a basis the that XXXX. of to I'm the meaningful

you well I'll you an expense as I think and that let handle had question Dave, one.

David Dykstra

still Tim increase week, ultimately the pressure. at -- and So at. XX% on to as to be talked talked more will expect betas the looking with next But deposit betas, probably happens. to we're we've the there as lagging reacts are we deposit about still right portfolio. competitive XX% we now the that's see that see have as We'll far But to where still fast just increases ultimately, market rate how how be rate

Andrew Leischner

just more one on I And had growth. loan

to you You single guidance. reiterate digit mentioned like growth loan high your mid

for full 'XX? XX% for growth about the at or currently You're year that so is digits, the remainder the of mid for annualized year year far. Is that to high single

Richard Murphy

year. For the of remainder the

think we if much have quarters. as look fourth those you kind of the quarter can and the are for quarter as see next I estimates those into we that

Andrew Leischner

-- that, with are in? pullbacks expecting guess you're I portfolio that And within areas there that any the

Richard Murphy

demand of terms pullback… in Pullbacks or

Andrew Leischner

yes… growth, of terms in

Richard Murphy

interest rising underwrite going much you're lower better product that more to Wintrust rising rate tougher environment. Yes. also see in rates, be is on with environment. is Life rate CRE growth terms a -- pressure a affected I rates that it's I as interest higher think as probably think by that in more interest to interest going would to in of

materially well. affected be going would mortgages in areas had But may We guidance. see three think would be we've to also our decent residential affect the -- I as that here it's portfolio growth some again, that Those highlight. may I don't

Edward Wehmer

side. we'll insurance products year, next be adding the And some life in

life now. the system credit things to able and of insurance We’re offer right the be like on can't offer that lines we and doing business we'll

continue So to vital. business expect be we that to

about We future continue and to there. the excited rework we're it

Operator

Terry next the of question Our McEvoy line comes Stephens. of from

Terry McEvoy

if quarter-over-quarter you stable Hope guess, resiliency you're quarter. of in fees a with puts given start could some doing and kind the market I your the surprised of talk just flat outlook Maybe conditions. the bit about for third was takes Management the fee the with, And Dave, and well. for Wealth be little for to let's maybe, outlook income. I in

Dave Stoehr

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some the quarter, the as the offset assets of at of some on that some end priced business So helped pressure of the areas of price at of other the those quarter. the the beginning

bit not be pressure a the dramatic. there business, wealth little on of still So may but

might So be some pressure there there.

As we upon see we're little there $X.X we expect to volume We there another properties now. million don't of of. of expect another the on a losses. million mortgages, pressure disposed to $X.X worth But be said might seeing see that application we don't security based

-- can expect don't So million that there there's right of to $XX we have them. say losses but you never never,

So then I you plus your if think it through way should stable, minus. be all that, of work relatively or

Terry McEvoy

of can the maybe given to but from the disruption? could efforts And bank of follow-up then come as financial institution disruption. about ask what maybe talk given may I'm not areas if some going what you you add market just folks think your you from, that hiring a question, do to they

Tim Crane

Terry, side. it's the commercial on been largely

when care As lenders we've to about they explore their their about their the past take begin in to options. concerned talked get clients, ability of

integration of some transactions, by over efforts announced to continue it disruption, by it of that And occur time. so the see we some

Wisconsin. the the well some toward the So of couple first excited active be during thirds slows we're that year two area additions down the as in kind to a year. in get of But you end by Chicago as both as the of tends more

Operator

question from comes of Raymond the David Long [Operator James. line Instructions] next Our of

David Long

Deposit period to in end little up bit quarter, balances a period overall, the were you end.

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Tim Crane

things economically, the been which healthy, feel the moving okay. rates of people But think reason is think very consumers part much. market's We pretty been haven't we and disciplined remain

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Edward Wehmer

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to really So grow we're quickly can. deposits to as we continue as going

David Long

risk here. end we And are some between level pretty increasing a today? that. recession, to Murphy. about then the Captain switch of we're are now of as over you how percentage reserve year? potential than a much let Do as be to the of Appreciate level thinking you the where Reserves, me still But reserve and seeing loans the expect higher healthy

Richard Murphy

Well, levels really as [Multiple out, opposed Speakers]. Moody's to reserve the a growth of pointed the more the function Dave and are reserving, as the

way, seeing recession effects things this we're just the of than that rate portfolio. time, economic lot relates as not were more just of happen. risk terms it of migration I But moment change within dramatically lot environment. negative what based like time, a happen in but change. of Clearly, as this think, prognostication growth by and environment, might not when But to a our we're of could might seeing a there's saying dictated in the point, at in be the would the wouldn't back as look really in year the if economic not half of it the provisioning levels So just point it to really, this in

David Dykstra

with based CECL. upon you life-of-loan the concept a allowance As know, is

degradation Rich it impact that like think provision unless economic growth. the what it should now see right we says, is So portfolio, is you in conditions on our based be

David Long

is And top interest moving can net where margin? range, has catches the as if maybe X.XX% interest rate start And there LIBOR and your is net I margin, here. deposit as gotten a head maybe on X.XX% hikes range. sneak your point a the here talking up. since another not there LIBOR a one about in Is quickly Thinking beta

So starts so then you potentially, hit it to do off? and level [X.XX] or

Edward Wehmer

we think anymore. LIBOR think it so. really gets way, can't bad. And that it don't use I dead, I But is the by

the has how But could XX%, around doubt -- I You going days, think I demand happen. to sort rates depending go, see imagine and -- of back I would do X.XX, the too. rates to probably out stuff it and to that to going you top on that that that's with go mix X.XX%, old X.X,

up So I to really have the it I locking to we don't think slammed think sides get -- is going end to of ability, the since where going don't going that we're happy think, we're again. hedge to haven't had we're a both want have so not and for that of because in we rates and to now, period to we going forward. about start the it X/XX And right downside we're down time go earnings if where we

call on could top. in the tell and hit know, work want the use hard we already We picking your and that at and help you top, us… to So

David Dykstra

upon forecast million the really $XXX The now. is based right consensus

go all scenarios or right So where see I we that dealing deposit of the about, we are talked rate expect betas, right Ed as now up and of go sorts in some low could happen. teens up front something at and certainly higher you with interest We're to different us. could don't mean, pick we rates, But said, would point. like what now, but into catch we'll

think So didn't to we're we we wouldn't at that. a parts of guide see where if moving we you to pathway lots clear but

Edward Wehmer

XXX I think, top, it’s the the think issue… don't is I

Operator

[Operator Jon Instructions] line from Our comes next the question Arfstrom.

Jon Arfstrom

but it XXX margin heard I you to guide. Just couple XXX end the of I may but on matter much, Difficulty] guys really a XXX of the trying things say? I the not the for may heard quarter. to [Technical what by matter It that not year fourth are and then heard

Tim Crane

and pretty better. bit, know if of the again, forecast, XXX consensus deposit year, just the we maybe is range. pricing do remains approaching muted, don't -- deposit through costs little think little think I certainly a we end the a given we but we And within

Jon Arfstrom

quarter week? I similar especially step from guess third just is type for what if saw, a And XX we the we message up get next

Tim Crane

Yes.

Jon Arfstrom

Murphy, want a guys this you as bit then guys… loan a answered push And you I little little but earlier, to on growth well. you

Edward Wehmer

Captain Murphy, please…

Jon Arfstrom

Captain Murphy.

in this put the of did And end in that again this and current expect you've growth range average quarter quarter? from the the you And or that's message message here, the at QX? slow You X% over that $X is billion. don't it materially just in this period continue kind should is up that you're can than got past by -- higher

Richard Murphy

if there I surprised by surprised QX. in being lot Part was growth. the really continued it, the said, we as up P&C portfolio of of We $XXX is be that I'd pleasantly in QX were million Yes. quarter. a affected drove third definitely

we seen We what be QX be saw in to here, which The portfolio up QX mortgages well growth than but higher the we've the last third P&C was year, quarter similar very life what in I in also think, portfolio total. anticipated. and off will

from QX that. upper think that think we'll be were I again, think, where at we be the of So that in we'll do end I because I but of in I -- But range. maybe would down guidance the be significantly

Edward Wehmer

About $X I billion, would say…

Richard Murphy

mean $X somewhere get be, billion number we would I say would Yes. but ago… I X.X in months that as

Jon Arfstrom

shift the like it's of all plus sounds this. It market share clients That's fair… that’s driving

Richard Murphy

growth, marketplace I C&I and that's mean meaningful contributor away. comments kind activity to my of the mean, lot is and been things a that the that seeing I the in in going that's that, I I of we're Jon. highlighted real has of core a one not right, think disruption

So that core really important of growth is part the story. an

David Dykstra

but part our a pretty that, And are Jon, pipelines are up our quite commitments unused is of bit. stable,

Rich we a usage line or that pipeline hidden his those in comments, go commitments to of of outside sort said that start some as even growth get line unused thing So that's drawn as up. of And expect down, our to numbers.

know customer of hard don't there. So gauge basis. I sort lots good of of a things It's the out just sort to linear activity,

Jon Arfstrom

And then growth. I NII understand the strong commentary the on

-- expense we're But growth. terms of or I expect expense just how it other Dave, used any think to material you in help color be? the pressures outrunning you

David Dykstra

in Well, think I biggest equation. the is labor the area of of sort side the

earnings quarter. as have and rate $XX open and share, some August expenses have some per making mortgage You really that will offsets think the that are incentive if saw we'll our filling compensation based minimum probably and Xst, saw may do margin that more we to we wage probably this will from effective still add. progress $XX we positions impact. positions, but upon have we'll just We announced that take And as the growth continue up some some step to less with we there, expansions, out there,

those on comes saw dollars, out were there. think that bit that's we'll the lending I But were million the couple you a As in down at don't little anymore. we X.XX%, X.XXs a side, of just of probably be more

inflation to try control going will that has think it up to of certainly the as on, go wage I as best that's but we number got possible. because

Operator

back for over like I'd time, this the at turn call to And closing to Wehmer you. remarks. Sir? Ed Thank

Edward Wehmer

us, much, in. Dave, any for or talk appreciate call of Appreciate not to Captain support. us, we to We'll Bye-bye. Thank of And Murph support. your to want or you and if Thanks pose you you listening quarter, your thanks. four everybody. follow-up this me, But very questions Well, before. the any Tim.

Operator

call. conference Thank participating, and you This for concludes now you today's disconnect. may

Wintrust Financial (WTFC) 21 Jul 222022 Q2 Earnings call transcript