Waste Connections (WCN) 25 Jul 242024 Q2 Earnings call transcript

Company Profile

Participants

Ronald Mittelstaedt	executive
Mary Whitney	executive
Patrick Brown	analyst
Kevin Chiang	analyst
Bryan Burgmeier	analyst
Noah Kaye	analyst
Toni Kaplan	analyst
Jerry Revich	analyst
Jasper Bibb	analyst
James Schumm	analyst
Sabahat Khan	analyst
Brian Butler	analyst
Timna Tanners	analyst
Stephanie Benjamin Moore	analyst

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Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Waste Connections, Inc.

Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note today's event is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Ron Mittelstaedt, President and CEO. sir. ahead, go Please

Ronald Mittelstaedt

to and this I our conference an XXXX results operator, the outlook welcome quarter. third second like everyone and and for outlook to call updated a good you, detailed would for morning. to quarter provide Thank to discuss

CFO; management. joined this our Mary members other Anne by am several of I Whitney, morning and our senior

second and across-the-board release, in operational execution, year the acquisitions our beat incremental an drove earnings full solid positioning an increased noted for values As by commodity our us increase quarter, in supplemented to outlook.

in Revenue and XXX adjusted quarter was augmented and EBITDA organic volume growth in increased XX.X%, price-led respectively, and solid by improvement waste the as accretive XX.X% sequential point basis by acquisitions.

continued the execution our which employee results the strength positions that improvement the in our for We of quarter growth. as sequential served continued are during we maintain has and us retention, strategy pleased operational including differentiate extremely to by outsized

the XXXX, initial year and XXXX and our billion approximately from are EBITDA up year. $X.X full of compared our strength trends adjusted adjusted from billion points margin XX.X% in raising EBITDA $X.XX recent basis or acquisitions, half in contribution the prior first performance outlook our the and as continuing approximately momentum we Given in exceeding revenue of XXX to outlook to the

housekeeping disclaimer other let the over call and Anne turn our more me Before we into forward-looking detail, much get to Mary for items.

Mary Whitney

Act including laws. call information forward-looking the harbor U.S. of safe you, meaning Litigation Private the Ron, morning. to securities of pursuant Canadian forward-looking Thank statements provisions made during XXXX good the discussion Reform includes and within applicable The of today's Securities

regulatory both authorities our due Securities risks in and the in differ Securities cautionary Connections such discussed similar in and forward-looking could uncertainties. Commissions with that Exchange actual statement differ the results Commission release detail to made in Factors results materially those and cause could greater Actual in Waste various 'XX in the or July earnings included to and filings U.S. from Canada. statements

not be circumstances additional risks currently on order an change that date. place revise statements, may today's immaterial, in aware make You are no as our or or undue We forward-looking after events that we impact business. should adverse or reliance have any could on of which we presently not believe forward-looking commitment to which there update to reflect are may statements

I adjusted free diluted Connections our a On to we as of cash EBITDA, the adjusted for attributable measures both call, discuss a share Please net on and flow. refer will per reconciliation and basis Waste non-GAAP income releases to such adjusted dollar earnings uses the such differently. most comparable non-GAAP now to measures Management measures. may the evaluate the performance calculate to financial companies call these non-GAAP and certain non-GAAP of back over our to GAAP monitor Other operations. measures measures turn Ron. ongoing will

Ronald Mittelstaedt

you, driven in place largely the mostly continues of X% resilience growth reflect historical X% Revenue competitive of for to Thank quarter of in line is with core in which over model the over Anne. market levels. over XX% exclusive second Mary market regions. year our to full region in pricing waste primarily Okay. by X% from our Western solid market range the was retention Pricing with in and our

cyclical despite our to waste trade-offs 'XX Special on and price levels. now points tons reflect XX% most XX% waste the delayed cyclical year-over-year these basis in down regions waste sensitivity sequential of speculative quarters. we solid tons and have are streams. aspects was which QX improvement QX with in impacting down reflect and most previous ramp volume in ongoing up X.X% of seasonal event-driven from Reported across line expectations project of XXX shedding of waste notably the volumes event-driven That and were or from in quarter business. that purposeful the reduced special unlimited negative more activity discussed A the continue were reminder and the

of encouraged improvement. the we improvement of to volumes and would sequential anniversary of declines Any previous are drive levels, purposeful quarters. environment in nonrenewal the the by be spite activity underlying pickup contracts reported to we activity pace these In shedding to as in during macro levels additive certain incremental that

revenues prices RENs, about recycled played ton QX, and commodities, for in per XX% Beyond better slightly solid around also or about with corrugated $XXX renewable year-over-year. were old or energy up Recycled XX% OCC, QX. from landfill averaging containers, this year commodity collectively than expected on gas waste, up out values credits, earlier in

slightly and start-up above expected delays commence in commissioning previously higher natural renewable mitigating from the These impacts expected averaged $X and of benefits QX. values to in operations with now plants costs during to RENs X QX. gas are begin the additional

with The employee reducing down include positions not open customer from benefits X results, stepped related peaks only better down wide-ranging financial better-than-expected levels of service voluntary engagement. quarter retention. consecutive are the seventh marking XXXX, we saw and levels trends At XX% below satisfaction but low XX% along from saw improved once incident turnover again of the we with of now Along sequentially, XX%, open during in also safety highs turnover positions for with QX, In years rates, improvement. now continued voluntary our ago. improvement employee

existing will earlier members X this To engaging both and our end, hires driver school employees, year, diesel existing with employees. we along where noted new in-house we've as technician emphasizing also for and expanded training be through partnership actively offering our family academies that of including opportunities

the realizing improving efforts efforts. recruiting resources targeted the seen we've We resulting from additional continue augment of and dynamics to and them in are to retention expect employee on these internal already impact

productivity continued drive The and several changes maintenance place risk savings put in expected expansion growing management investments along from across areas, margin with including to services. and are today in continued and future savings third-party labor, outside

as partnerships the capture leachate removal third PFAS, our at sustainability-related of we with with for on opportunities the parties priorities, we're several reliance evolving expand decreased Consistent develop around our through landfills. through taking internal steps and and capabilities. our treatment also positioning treatment ourselves We're technology of to address by introduction

pursuing other investments drive both robotics opportunities. to using through of and actively applications creation. and value our applications, in see these use customer as trucks operations, for growth We facilities experience machine on in the learning our including we're service the sales cameras and and in focused recycling technology other both AI-driven from Moreover, benefits and opportunities safety, our

next of key of the value subject creation, growth. On acquisitions, driver to our another moving

having Pacific activity in acquisitions to included We for facilities the acquisition positioned strategic Acquisitions year sustainability-related the XXXX, are already our in with second revenue. well our quarter in of tuck-ins XX of and markets private furthering as during company in $XXX acquisition million that recyclables Northwest, existing multiple efforts completed a internalizing recycling the annualized record market. as state-of-the-art over

$XXX from close addition already and definitive year, To annualized clear, we In outlook. in over this later waste be have million our the been are revenue across in in not this these closed under XXXX year expected franchise that updated acquisitions full markets spread solid agreement year. to deals to included multiple geographies have

shareholders. ] with to an [ strength along balance fund to return activity acquisition sheet capital of increasing flexibility outsized the provides Continued

all-time would revenue to of XXXX acquired million And this not in positioning in waste see is be a by record recently over of us others. the as set has revenue acquisition continue private an revenue. $XXX company acquired robust our in to which solid footprint, across seller opportunities in acquisition, by and pipeline for end high $XXX annual We million clear, interest for of communicated levels spend acquired us have $XXX of been million

under look ongoing levels. elevated deals, agreement well already way XXXX great we in already incremental closed, growth over our other are on and as as outside up contribution or based to to activity positioning hand Clearly, from ahead be With we rollover, rollover definitive including X% from those a positioned for in for well continued X% acquisitions to more contribution XXXX. noted as

I'd outlook outlook, pass second for our will the highlights to head Anne call to of XXXX now then financial full wrap into I Mary like quarter, more up year And before Q&A. and the depth, provide to QX. increased the we review a detailed in review to

Mary Whitney

the of year-over-year. higher the commodity to second a above and you, recovered reported quarter, of XX.X% revenue million billion end contributions $XX In basis outlook acquisition on incremental Revenue primarily was or Thank values. due high our million Ron. was $X.XXX $XXX up

ago year a net of since million of the quarter contributed completed about in revenue $XXX about period Acquisitions $XXX divestitures. million or

typical As of cadence stepping as Ron reported the price. on QX, noted, seasonality with in core result pricing was a of down price X% sequentially

Fuel and the benefit reflects in points improving material basis XX the costs. quarter of of primarily diesel negative surcharges

declines. Ron spite X.X% XXX up of noted, basis volume down volumes expected, As were as points in sequentially also underlying

U.S., pulls landfill roll-off were X%, from results the are QX waste down down regions, year-over-year steps where Here XX% up all driven XX% XXXX. same-store the X%, Daily except tons down about in by special pulls in a and daily and activity and over at year-over-year on Western were basis. X%, looking down declines were

in was and C&D most in end and above EBITDA X% high about earnings in release, both central outlook. were $XX up Adjusted $XXX.X as of notable The year-over-year QX, the our Similarly, up while for X% and tons our XX.X% QX. down MSW waste were tons reconciled C&D our declines million, were mid-South special million year-over-year, in region.

as drag referenced basis in improves earlier. points costs above points up and benefits EBITDA waste for Adjusting XX about were cost as year-over-year, XX from and revenue, of basis basis to up point that points, XX in adjusted including basis tons certain third-party solid waste reflecting from the underlying pressures special decline XX.X% margins At reductions retention abate. XX impact, our some margin was our XXX outlook

to interest notes Canada and the of offering commodity-related Other our reflects the from completed in and combined and impacts senior in $XXX $XX.X inaugural points both CAD key points include QX XXX contributors public about million million acquisitions. of notes the senior XX our basis June. benefit XX benefit U.S. of million Net offering in basis XX quarter of expense in margin

weighted of and current tenor of with approximately liquidity which quarter of ended XX% is X% about billion. of approximately years. $X.XX about billion, $X.XX outstanding average with cost floating We the Our about XX average an rate was of debt debt

declined spite quarter ratio X.XXx our credit debt adjusted outlays $X.X through of leverage billion of to acquisition In in QX, defined is facility the our EBITDA. to in

foreign have up exchange outlook lower year-to-date, year-over-year. or And XX.X%, effective XX% tax quarter XX.X% adjusted rates. million finally, revenue, below rate of flow we $XXX.X Our the delivered free of our for cash was second on slightly

and I third will the outlook for provide XXXX. our updated for the year our outlook review of full now quarter

review I everyone results in the these and factors SEC that and Securities once in to outlined on may actual vary filings authorities regulatory harbor uncertainties do, with or safe we'd Commissions our again significantly the We and carefully. to statement based Before risks made like remind encourage we've Canada. investors similar

no Our the the change expensing environment any of current assumes outlook remainder and items transaction-related trends. acquisitions during from underlying economic may period. It close also excludes during that economic impact or of in the additional the year

Looking for values Revenue as up billion, for first at trends. our outlook updated recent at $XXX with estimated as the reconciled completed acquisitions from volumes initial recycled provided for result in $X.XX year and since of is a our from million our that now earnings time primarily updated approximately reflecting release. outlook commodities contributions full plus

billion outlook Adjusted EBITDA revenue, in point basis margin our estimated at $X.X adjusted XX initial EBITDA is for above XXX up full basis or increase and points a $XX for million now XX.X% the year-over-year of XXXX. year for approximately

unchanged cash free $X.XX at flow of Our outlook for -- adjusted approximately remains $X.X CapEx XXXX approximately billion free billion. outlook on cash

share Turning Revenue approximately adjusted in at EBITDA margin range taxes. Depreciation XX.X%, amortization to million including QX. QX our for XX.X% is at per points billion XXX diluted is revenue, estimated $X.XX is amortization outlook in year-over-year. the of of of billion $X.X basis quarter or be about to QX and estimated third for of $X.XXX estimated in intangibles and up the expense to approximately next $XX of net

is of finally, QX the subject net our to about expense, effective income, quarter. Interest at in approximately estimated tax rate estimated for at variability. third And some interest is $XX million XX.X%,

for the call before turn some to me back And Q&A. over now let final Ron remarks

Ronald Mittelstaedt

ourselves Anne. our to growth. once positioning grateful important while Okay. extremely continued better-than-expected driving assets, for most We're for Mary and again "our results, prioritizing you, our Thank teams people"

record the while On double-digit indicated for margins for we positioned revenue, expansion line EBITDA our by EBITDA outlook of further quarter, year, our industry-leading increased as amounts and expanded remain outside throughout the growth, activity. we continued acquisition margin XXXX. integrating for already and margin adjusted And during implementing top well full

that's threshold pressures reflects the In thus spite many we've in ongoing areas. referenced XX% quarters, seasonal our fact, for ramp far as our in approaching in provided recent cost updated and in and outlook QX slower of XXXX, outlook margins a

activities our a shed reflect consistent us a served well. less revenue and we quality that as Our acquisitions, profitable maintain focus has disciplined on strategy to approach results

another in contribution Moreover, expected and from again growth XXXX outsized with rollover under price-led results by our to should be XXXX, in driven year acquisitions agreement. along set organic completed already up once of growth

Looking results improvement in the would results and of along our reflect of potential operating the for easing and we improving expect underlying safety, to headline benefits fully not pressures, with from ahead, financial environment. by volume retention and cost CPI captured the current more

reflect date asset. our our thanking employees our nearly XX,XXX conclude by and XXXX, dedication positioning greatest we the I to on want truly success As is whose for to

service the we America customer results by values, be and a Our to premier place are North to in day and work. integrity service great operating driven commitment their every strive to differentiated provider our as safety,

pricing With action start M&A in we're record positioned City, higher commodity and better-than-expected largely New up in you our continuing in probably those you've picking XXXX EV great trucks activity to recyclables. for And place, a results, York for solid of and seen values well driving for waste off success.

lines to up developments. will well with We'll and the beginning Operator? across We now the you time over expect. first zone other this pilot your to this open additional turn on we commercial appreciate posted to expand questions. city, expansion the your call I our fall today. as keep We're this And operator the excited for presence as

Operator

comes at Raymond Brown from question And Tyler James. today's first Instructions]. [Operator

Patrick Brown

just want make I I sure it. have to

that in are kind around pretty volume shedding? under would Or what half? pressure? anniversary expectations purposeful QX it So still and also pressure second the eases in Is the of as under maybe QX pretty good QX remain good you

Mary Whitney

in expectation you would Well, the year our improve of the and came think was the about be the shedding we that and most as way we purposeful volumes year, nonrenewal Tyler, early if the sequentially into negative contracts. anniversaried

that also the in volume why underlying by implied yet, some there is updated you from be guidance, the expect to that's would we seen which haven't contribution that. see impact We generation, can volumes which

trajectory, but QX still in losses. would see losses, known about pace we versus would little very is improvement so the And I anniversary or say little then better QX, a we sequential purposeful the and different as a the same QX again,

activity. course, The pickup upside, come any would of from that in

the didn't in strongest special this point, As ramp see as you call, and the we at know, as seasonal we've is on waste QX, mentioned QX the seasonal quarter.

yet. looking And it to haven't come for so we'd that be back and seen

Patrick Brown

Right. could a special comp second and housing here, get maybe skis into if pretty be And plays my C&D It that to kind you seems of year. maybe have don't should pretty it spending but waste, like lower, that question, infrastructure year. want good is mortgage even out on a easy coiled feels I spring my rates next next into necessarily move

broadly could calling just roll X negative of guess pressure more that volumes? volumes years do Or stabilize still maybe maybe 'XX after off into that? will think and you I 'XX,

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Tyler, waste agree obviously, Look, industrially. you about this for with real -- of we development or economy, but contaminated total special know, particular, -- is of soils generally cleanup speculative XX-plus as you. residential would in mean industry the commercially can't that percent I waste macro Yes. special speaks estate predict I

just the point, of are projects delaying budgets across are their current back And of larger there's completion of some U.S. that strapped ends, sort okay? in natural that the starting cash their municipalities What are so within that. communities. seeing the are is their we bounce many saying At or a they and

long. XX these to maybe generally We up sort cycles this like in seen a feel the year been we've before. so for of years months. we've last There's X.X And

that certainly, improve. So would and at should go as concur I we into point with you some in that 'XX 'XX,

I unknown, election it sort as of have sort things historically years, would presidential of national also Tyler, become to activity note, election are then results we've known. seen of releasing the election stall we an once that up a years, and in a just of leading seen

your statement. those So would for that with concur reasons, all I

Patrick Brown

Yes. Interesting.

sounds on the there Ron, then, lower. front, lagged I labor that turnover there. And benefits to continues Okay. are know it like trend

year, of benefit attributable, at idiosyncratic much is And what So is attributable really more look won't spread? as just solid at much benefits? is difficult, this maybe the how how it but this positive guess into price-to-cost we of labor how to margin 'XX? labor I that is trickle performance much I'm getting some execution And is

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes.

Tyler, our and we're come we XXX basis points know, That not should off, we getting closer. approximately expansion through of you have to as to there, we efforts. over first others, said due levels, as see turned So but get we targeted these as margin 'XX, we're that

To about to date, XX basis we've captured that. of XX points

And that. So still to would go. another -- XX it there's confident XX fully are to we implies capturing we in

we've doesn't it to repairs, in line. labor, are affected XX X these third-party due in area: are XX your It the me, labor or and by points excuse areas, outside what comes downtime As an overtime, to your of said your all along basis in just on route labor what all is X -- come headcount. times things routes your repairs, variable,

of a it's there. X/X outside than do. we're of little continuing why a answer margin expansion say, think a And yes, 'XX. way long-winded we've more we We that's in to made So comment

Mary Whitney

employee associated Right. expansion that made that, opportunity. outsized wage in fact hasn't And QX. the of would that's the in increases to that, we with what today I And same abated the for note Tyler, see runway waste still We margin X.X%. is still had in solid where other we really above element the seeing reference underlying face

were move into the sub-X% abate thought the may year. year, we as to through you seeing as would recall, we coming the X% And we

the And forward headline capturing pressures continue. CPI, about to still looking that's point the that. all still we're the cost reality of not necessarily that So

Operator

CIBC. next question And from with Chiang today comes our Kevin

Kevin Chiang

just see prepared capital I strong still in seller interest. gains maybe Canada look here. and you noted change at a that You the I did if legislation in in U.S. have We the what's happening remarks, guess both up

We are in also an with potential obviously, administration have guys election this later could And an a year. election going year. change through you next

the how you're both changes time trying U.S.? or seller if on to maybe might what's based Canada deals be wondering expectation happening seeing Just in that and any sellers just in

Ronald Mittelstaedt

question, Kevin. Well, intuitive mean, Yes. very I

we So look, historically, a in potential of believe tax, seller know, we the cuts former material any do as And this as to are the we different place tax increases direction. that is would end gains in not 'XX, not tell set that acted you and expire Trump currently currently if they're that capital put on and timing. impact either prior very have were psychology on in at

House there a and depending back if a seller the course, think of in election So would if on you half that I the who or throughout beginning 'XX gains there bit activity the Senate, is Presidential in rates up, accelerated see throughout sometime going the be in 'XX, 'XX. in would wins U.S. quite and of was belief 'XX capital and of

Conversely, things if, that, of just it that where lower, sort or today are. belief think to be a I was there again, if depending perpetuates was where going on is it that

on it if least would much seller obviously, negative U.S. here, be So after 'XX in a the higher got at psychology. that

generally when that a is that there occurs, if down, that that. come the negative on to multiples contrary Now was

environments both do No incentive in is gains about and political rate to it. something. but lower certainly, M&A in question sellers administrations, an looking both succeeded we've So to or capital

Kevin Chiang

And maybe sense. wildfires couple these a Alberta. of in questions. just There's housekeeping That makes

those acquired SECURE, at are impacted your wondering, all Just from by are wildfires? they that you assets

Ronald Mittelstaedt

No.

SECURE have proximity time assets waste that the impacted. this to But assets at in are are we that not do from solid some of fires. were Our acquired

complete For some summer had in last the second a evacuation summer. operations we row, of

but on waste but close. We been on this side have solid getting not SECURE not side. yet summer, the had an But the evacuation it has

Kevin Chiang

Congrats color. on good great That's quarter. a

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Thanks, Kevin.

Operator

Burgmeier And question from our Citi. with Bryan comes next today

Bryan Burgmeier

If correctly XX.X%. like prepared guided I remarks, heard EBITDA to the you in XQ margins

underlying the same maybe of you dilution accurate or And about Just bit Is drivers we maybe how it net little less then, a the that better. that? price commodities, say from are that accurate? from directionally think trends guess, M&A. help touch of Is a should I to have

Mary Whitney

of to The about say way in the couple a Yes. of When That's the lack incremental half back more the than what's little year, about year headwind. waste a right a things. of of the changes of the first it. I'd I special think think mix the becomes deal half contribution that bit. different

granular. underlying is expenses waste a to extra an in expand. that continues implies that Getting So There day little the of solid quarter.

the points. first XX so course, than year-over-year the down commodity And the year And in that impacts to year. back XX are as they said, you smaller then, the the the of takes half it basis half and tailwinds were, in of of

Bryan Burgmeier

you on Got particularly it. some just of touch are businesses? Is Connections all exclusive you Got was is of collection wondering on can market quarter. just I rural made in? then anything that Waste maybe these kind noteworthy And it. are if focusing that And kind the during these the acquisitions of

Ronald Mittelstaedt

we outside one a one Bryan. customers of just facilities one In of recycling the variety close. were recycling Probably facilities. Northwest, had outside Tacoma we of Thanks, the had which the of was company both facility just and larger a largest those of the Pacific the in We was acquisitions of Portland. acquired Yes. quarter,

critical operation. us there adopted it very internalized in large X have legislation an footprint. important Very So for ErP became and very with these recycling recently states our who

So a strategic very that was transaction.

tuck-ins number waste a of the solid did side. on footprint We throughout our

to expand We bolt we E&P RXXX in QX footprint to also presence Canada smaller in our the on there. did done transaction Canada, SECURE to a to had in the continue that deal

really U.S. we it Canada. was deals and throughout the in did -- So

a solid quarter. So it was very

nature. yet the in that signed next we on the call you'll be deals be And closed and West to quarter's larger some hearing franchise Coast are in both East much that

not yet was part of said $XXX signed, but the we closed. that million was So

Operator

Kaye Noah today Oppenheimer. from our comes with And question next

Noah Kaye

Ron, return about for profile that's aggregate. I'll deals actual in to just and there, these all pick of the right think up

that taken point closed. But pretty from you your the some think I Mary of process, what's Where of on been looking do days these the a about mentioned at now you had penciling are we Anne, And very the kind well returns returns acquisitions? revenue about how You've profile. disciplined already then, think margin at the acquisitions? on can comment all you're directionally these And standardized. on always underwriting your seeing out multiples? implications

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Sure. start X.X turns last you off, latter Well, let's that X-plus would I quarters. multiples the your X first with question. think of overall I the tell part about have drifted to down over

one. of rising So capital that's number most of reflects companies large companies. in course public And a that cost for debt and private part

that have invested of is Our I -- capital sort really outcome a and look EBITDA multiple, on at is EBITDA what an look, changed. by multiple mean not model. an returns of mean an don't we return I

to XX% an throughout looking on and the IRR NPV depending the XX%. sort value looking investment relationship that invested are present net the size positive between life of for for risk generally, And on of and not only an size the but in of capital risk We being acquisition, on we're scope for, transaction an the the -- and investment. positive risk of we're looking of the and the

talk easy about look how just that's an is to at we then it. multiple So way an it. And EBITDA

of can returns. scope get acceptable CapEx, and to determine obviously, quality, So looked the think risk, in investment CapEx, we the we the pay what risk, are all permitting transaction margin, of asset replacement at those necessary

landfills. why very that we XX anything, ago. time, improve. develop XX landfills Because, that over is if continue and today say, ability that? continue to relative XXX look, would I I and say and do The acquire to to XX So difficult years have XXX And will to to

collection see So returns, both give forward. continue to in to landfills, we more and transfer as the the U.S. returns. And that aggregate those aggregate and bring of upward will the Canada network you bias will develop going the

Noah Kaye

you, with I Very a RNG helpful, briefly sounds tailwind, along timing some as because to mentioned commodities it want the on investments the industry Ron. are like while start-up you higher the delays. sustainability touch seeing

investments So should how can from year? these to on for this it possibly And margin obviously, year be they the next lever just in contribution over you expected a incremental refresh see us those expansion layer as you time? then because to support EBITDA

Mary Whitney

Sure.

talked high in million had million our flow-through. about $XX we to had in costs, million And the in contribution we QX, we essence, very was about $XX of just down expectation that revised guidance $XX no, by and So benefit. mentioned an taken with not that in

And so that mitigated higher benefit some of from RINs. the

getting And we driving projects the utilities you about delays. it's think last and with more interconnect will, the really the case, and electric broadly this it's when if mile, what's In the up just going.

the tough it's and have. So we are industry, across But to all that projects projects are the do project is other taking generalize the on development we on what costs know longer higher. the running

XXXX, during the projects $XXX to to those described plans say And in EBITDA million expect have. so would that come remain we we we committed we've still we online And about that contribution.

So thinking it. about that's we're how

Ronald Mittelstaedt

we've does tax of little our running other not offset Yes. And CapEx, increased projects analysis, that while a I that. between note net you And the mismatch can never it still because create that the credits more a should what are about against that the thing is the would ITC include you when while expensive, that included project and we be timing a thought. that, net in

Noah Kaye

Okay.

to back, ramp Maybe at next just a rate very sure 'XX. characterization? So committed helpful I we run million through of EBITDA year that to get effect the there more reflect a as color. by least as to just get move $XXX the still make all we change And it, and

Mary Whitney

And maybe this into primarily year, next still point, spending we're to it. about year. but capital thinking that committed we're will how that's Yes, the flow to some

Operator

comes And our question Morgan Stanley. Toni Kaplan from today next with

Toni Kaplan

kept flow for now Strong like raising free EBITDA guidance quarter, but unchanged looks despite guide. cash the the you

warrant before? how for normal think of Or is thought free the more higher just this year? should sources might spending flow that conservatism? you And than upside than anything Just cash or we about potential

Mary Whitney

Sure.

CFFO expense that we've the flow free the billion given made. spite the in the interest of be incremental keeping Toni, reason acquisition $X.X would would for with the be already So increased in largely outlays associated unchanged cash same EBITDA

we think that's how So about it.

The fact that and come that be other we M&A in did M&A adjust CapEx CapEx spite we all needs very along of right the front. observation would can with or didn't in the some up cases, often

I it and absorbing changing incremental that $X.X at actually there's that free those outperformance think underlying billion. we're guidance of -- and our CapEx so cash flow upside incremental And not

Toni Kaplan

Yes.

update productivity you And I Great. any opportunities initiatives. an or on was Okay. technology hoping provide could

but opportunity think I opportunities think year prepared maybe needle the could or you you move that mentioned so? on expand that any the you in in next remarks, the or other for cameras

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Well, a time. that them number productivity, working to Sure. quality. a But on, are touch seeing few definitely MRF Toni, revenue, of affect that that that that safety, just productivity affect on real we there's in affect and affects we're

MRFs. I on now We right basis, user certainly AI have a -- think are we of the our percentage robotics in largest and

and opened headcount use and that We rebuilt improving is dramatically. robotics have quite hour quality, hour in shipping productivity and basis, per QX AI this optical and sorting. And MRFs, both we importantly, and basis, completely on we another material market, with MRF tons increasing taking most just that the meaning quality drastically are Illinois these down producing quarter, in significantly a of per to that

down more air XXX volume high so classifiers are sorting. optical same that the XXs and time. There and rebuilt and real of in robotics And we or is went from the we with employees the have use on where XX into happening to MRFs

under online bringing at in looking development 'XX another right are early We now. is that one

have for to So create ] that's risk technology using and had events automatic driver good very overloads We a commercial AI technology, revenue, relying than [ technology. camera an customers that interpretation. and for now billing believe We've for rather on volumes of be our is which commercial But technology this new commercial camera solely trucks generative will measure example. Camera that in forever. overloads on price. opportunity both improvement reflective

out for very push come into we us as going of and forward 'XX, 'XX Going large a forward. go

X just So those are examples.

more or have drivers down reroute where that may routing using We routing before a come a some the was literally fly vehicles and allows process. they can operating they people into are as new much that for technology and manual morning in reason, dynamically district of our on recognize the that either

So those you. examples X for are

Operator

question with Goldman Jerry Revich And today next Sachs. our comes from

Jerry Revich

give I'm be you is on ramp wondering going? can rail can you at we How you trouble the full levels? -- update an an And on do us Ron the volume for expect when operational to update development. if Northeast fully

Ronald Mittelstaedt

sure, Well, Jerry.

I'll give of couple updates. So a

X,XXX the one, so what the -- we we which refer quite where year landfill, Arrowhead of that a is name day. referring infrastructure. a day. rail than from acquiring up, was it little tons first to month as X,XXX less of that. And a the we just a -- to we anniversary we're was acquired we're a than tons away is did, when what at or coming little we But So about more when the not when It you're are not Arrowhead, number

'XX, and the tons and at Well, that it are would end midpoint 'XX, a were we we okay? of by are X,XXX we -- here now we double day. We said at the of

more it. There the time less we doubled than in are we it X,XXX we now, than plus days, So have than committed. right we're but more pushing have doubled

said that Now but get happen, ultimately, never XX,XXX believe that saying we that tons we have and will can we down we horizon. XX,XXX a site's is plus, site not have day. tonnage take into will permitted somewhere obviously XXXX. The is tons a day the to that, said that that We're

been have has internal a tons. that So those been incremental from X,XXX day all improvement of positive. Most X,XXX very tons all to

internal see one revenue it Northeastern great our because gets reason don't so tons, So growth from is you the and it's in eliminated as it it accounting. operations, third-party that's tons not from

reports. So volume that the and in --

are to positives. the one Those is mind. in that other all thing keep So

to had the they their we've going On ability activist XX normal -- more QX regular potential the ability leadership the going last over were through to challenge. to Norfolk course of gotten been and I with back basis. That would been We short of days. all now certainly encouraged the more some through has Southern negatives, say, deliver on our we're term. and than about more volumes And during XX were push to a they affected has operating upheaval volume. improved difficulties And when some, that an just through some

take Arrowhead volume to down at more day putting more more to track are and in facility able -- to our be keep cars. We more a store

in our same Northeast the at facilities. We rail at sites our transfer are doing the

that lot a right So now. on going with

Jerry Revich

Super. And cash in flow these obviously, conversion, terms of free investments.

strong Can landfill takes, landfill much the X You as move the free How depreciation, puts mentioned once online? years conversion bonus well. already could higher gas puts including and investments et takes as your gas the upgrades, recycling about the conversion the you cash cetera? are look at you just talk out flow free around facilities and cash

Mary Whitney

when you XX% levels cash closer we historical the XX%. at to the guidance And year, if Sure. said gave this beginning flow it that this to of as our was year, of we normalize free

we'd bonus to in or fact changes that's sort some about say depreciation right the spite think sunsetting the other in unless that do of until of that's have underlying So conversion. And place. the put way we

that think still benefits our the so that's writing to in about. XX%. we the Absent from it bonus think right was peak the And and of M&A years, equipment, to the Recall our outsized expensing way depreciation XX% qualifying off. and highest,

was we that certainly, bonus a levels during the the basis. outside to with sunsetting the about to XX% getting environment XX% in But on don't back depreciation. We those is more benefits period. of think see it way current the normalized So that

Ronald Mittelstaedt

theoretical naturally just conversion will even, over on time staying time. there's no would no over I margins move Jerry, all on to and there to up And theoretical as -- ceiling conversion we you just move that add continue we is margins things like as continue up see ceiling

Jerry Revich

to automated ask that just I spoke can one you about truck last Ron, the And Super. cameras.

if correct a they're ownership? you mind? wondering stand think receiving that talk your in from about just potential just ownership. me you that I if Please I'm today views changed truck replacement you in talk deliveries I'm just you change wrong. don't coming if levels, versus on about supplier can where And

Ronald Mittelstaedt

transaction Dover. years. Solutions from Environmental Terex's we Group Well, is acquisition of I'm unless for are yes, many assumption, have in and cameras acquiring Sure. wrong, that think Jerry, referencing, I you're the And if right I'm

Although ESG on this Eye. We've the number commercial ESG Xrd different a relationship AI a of that their for overages, yes, had long-standing on products. subsidiaries, with a of through the technology one is is very but

for solid X waste you to safety from got to know, technology -- safety they've As bodies truck compaction X onboard containers or to equipment. product different lines

So we are a user of all of it.

As relationship. I said, had a good I've very

highly of at I ESG. very the think folks

very services. job I done think a on their products they've nice and

much had As Dover never as it, with far don't transaction a know itself, parent. much as we the interaction about

as the continue going And as sort be think they that long within of understand, with about deal from heard. we as to continue entity they're for folks for getting of Terex And to with we dealt it's corporate. excellent Just some good company. both ESG with, a our think everything relationship I Terex to Terex. And I have in for stand-alone on stuff excellent a and we've feel And Really we've quality ESG we are field. dealt with heavy companies. our equipment some

them, know we we highly of not thank but so as them. And ESG, as both well do

Operator

with our Securities. And comes next Truist Tobey Sommer question from today

Jasper Bibb

Tobey. on Bibb for Jasper is This

any in XXXX? is on you spreads to your price seeing still side? inflation frame where being you that XXXX. mentioned think might where Is way that pricing cost I there the now spread earlier in and and you're be think on elevated visibility what Based

Mary Whitney

Sure.

expansion, the points have hadn't and to have delivering that the by the underlying abated of pressures that otherwise fact. that suggested the we were might extent approaching in point I been wage that So made is spite CPI margin the XXX basis lower

extent creates so the should pressures, would opportunity those continue to abate. that wage And view, we in ahead expect to or that our

step acknowledge price about something is than in we'll be be down. a as know we in the would it also XXXX. getting price/cost be of 'XX. mindful We those necessary We Meaning that increase go lower markets, spread we're in would markets is over, And very into pricing that CPI-linked think what as certainly little 'XX X%. we is expected to

talking that the typically pieces And on when have of course, visibility those start So guidance. we'll of are a October pieces start that our us. by the we informing better about

Ronald Mittelstaedt

not would We of getting ], the only ongoing Jas but often look, [ basis points years to hasn't XXX is, which our for what is our doing, target sort Yes. minimally we now, reflects say what structure changed. XX-plus CPI. approach cost spread believe CPI, to I relative XXX

there Sometimes minor are some dislocations.

we to course, think we target year. and tell what what we're beating that's that of you in right answer on So that's basis and is reported points we're you guide. getting there and net below the now. And is basis next likely be targeting we'll layer our achieving what what at and CPI out XXX us what XXX points, pricing And just

be we CPI of little because relatively the So but current. to tell would they're should may spread dollar price you a The the amount same down, we it cost expect as different same. be about would to be, the comes

Jasper Bibb

the All the progressed And hoping balance waste there? the on to for sense. makes over of then, the ENERGY get that Has business integration an year? the assets. update expectations SECURE Any E&P

Ronald Mittelstaedt

full both and appreciate an had They of. first quarter first quarter, group that Exceptional to opportunity leadership our in revenue assets then. expectations. hire gives Outstanding that because of real came to I employees performing added EBITDA QX question they're off, exceptional fortunate since Well, delivering up group, there. in their Canada RXXX out our have we thank Sure. up me an of the there. group were we was which at there, or that we well. very developed to we've outstanding And team above very, And that just

with We of to of We time, think, sense those incremental evaluate. closer those and or any reopened our X one make were not at that to X that assets reopening over yet reopen. time, of X over we'll the time. have probably along of We're that came shuttered first transaction the E&P getting

opportunity there. So that's incremental some

team. As has leadership joined that the we outside Excellent in market -- Canada in company, excellent Canada I did mentioned, team the of tuck-in space RXXX transaction E&P a Alberta in our QX. in

around you, to up we're tell way assets team and with the and in very quality I have things performing boat the pleased place long drive think to So an we're asset there. exceptional well,

Mary Whitney

spite that's improvement business. that decline. only And the would that saw in And rig thing I'd we're trends the to to in we the with I say E&P of to respect also that count sequential add continuing in U.S. waste seeing,

would and is those beat that there point continues expectations, activity contributed that never that I we jobs. assume of that, the because one-off out to So remediation are QX our

Operator

Cowen. today question with next James our Schumm And comes TD from

James Schumm

survey think declined that? noting of curious, you landfill what with drove And forward? year-over-year the I third-party do your Northeast. exception expectation pricing the was a going just what's There's maybe

Ronald Mittelstaedt

looking, I'm James, one, I'm Number of not that survey. aware

just almost So disposal X%, our of that unit in ton 'XX. business, lines not the I can on per It X% All is you was lines year-over-year. price price I case basis up us. X under apologize. all X per of tell for between increased

would would a than and that did what affect guess from does somewhat that in Seaboard would our And it certain as their it to the I'm I what along that ton it was. did keep the when be effect, down a others Eastern is. happened. And volumes many not QX landfills the is more be but volume QX. volumes teens on did, and $XXX as chased not imagining to this keep I'm in and thing low incinerators volume have dropped volume what that's the that hurt attract and would that the that is. One game So down in winter, We rate Seaboard price the price I Eastern play guess what and that did

James Schumm

areas. on many Are you Is fast inflation as labor, you decelerating Interesting. there? anything there you maintenance anything reacceleration declining incremental? Just Mary maybe Okay. side? not seeing you thought. in color pressures you mentioned And labor seeing and cost as or Are any give any the of Ron, could you expenses maybe Anne, mentioned repair elsewhere?

Mary Whitney

were trying we pressures that abated extent was necessarily numbers that to the haven't might No. point make The headline suggest. cost to

better, X%, for parts seeing, things and like they're And maintenance and getting in still number. third-party improving but instance, instance, materials. for above we costs are still trends the are Those so headline

that, numbers. overall more is inflation cost for why if is that's So it's we're north which of our by X.X% proxy driven because your higher still like those escalation, cost

We are quickly we They're them as improving as expected. improve. seeing had just not

quite basis think margin are before, basis tells expansion, they reliance as to XX third underlying our XX And retention-related XX XX still decrease you helping escalating said quickly about Ron of to efforts, aren't on those whose so our you escalating. as it were points parties, which but points when are are costs to

Operator

question our with Capital Sabahat from today next RBC Markets. comes Khan And

Sabahat Khan

some if and cyclical been while, some moderation outlook the earlier guess if in back volumes discussion shedding. I the maybe we the the more the more you a that volumes has system some There's little last high of sit about level, macro the around think for maybe at just and of of But versus look in shedding? over

be And some as shedding. volumes you look the even recovery a directionally were forward, positive with macro would mean

dominant to the about at those shedding. more one trying other is buckets, Just in X in think the and volume -- terms than as of the we story look

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes. helps an mean any relative Roll-off macro. that I is That's And shedding down mean, event-oriented, being volume I the QX, X% being drive that quarter. that. macro and macro. Look, down waste construction certainly volumes, think, whatsoever. very insightful question. -- that's in XX% not in example, was 'XX. we as that I so special That's to when talk about

shedding business commercial we of drive intentional what that underperforming improvement that So have what is as are or we're end business as macro both of piece we the work. residential always quickly That commercial has. those you see who comes acquire, in a that's shedding, work the broker lines do, of would to contracts Where of question, with up shedding. broker generally companies they part a that and all shedding positive often along and your we a when acquiring historically and very our because

it being shedding for Waste With a enough macro past shedding closer not a do, this you is real negative. anything Connections. see the had What macro again, any goes new it done that underlying to environment that forever. in the in negative you X, So that's economy, is We've why volume. gave because you volume didn't you had volume greater to

would be the that answer. So

Sabahat Khan

thinking absolute you is topics, lower. of then about But there more lower of spread, you is if moves guess, inflation kind price/cost out line Okay. color. heads great the that has pricing pricing lower. I And specifically lot how do one as one a of level inflation the control That's the hear think of probably obviously, that we

ability a that spread price line lower. is comment there? maybe how bigger there better, a seat, that's are to would Maybe capture your stronger a absolute of cost thinking From the because out on you numbers

Ronald Mittelstaedt

price. say and it's to but in to seem it's a that. a model. that XXX inverse business X%, using environment. Because I is seeing a I XXX strategic expect They people basis I'm that X%, easier if know that spread is of may little of inflationary or so counterintuitive, see a inflation. by what XX% higher expect understand a XX% environment, and greater inflationary They are actually Not And X% a why cost point that inflationary getting going seeing or look, to easier far issue differential differential. disagree. to a of capture critical would X% lower X% is it's of harder and much in is differences If X% I more mean harder. they're much with and it to It's is differences perception okay? It customers. price mix rising this

the So One differential. XX% XX% differential, it's other differential is and just or a XX% is right? percentage

focus in which that And so us we competitive is market it's be XX% higher tends drive energy harder. low XX% a to That's franchise, to our there. why more rural, with on allows where that our Which that's allows return, to mix business or we guaranteed get like competitive. pricing CPI why which us

think it No, is very dollar saying, misplaced spread The percentage for is very all is decelerating. there, really comfortable. The misplaced, is bottom is line matters. So pricing absolute we're to decelerating. be people I that

focus the number. not that's -- And the be, dollar Okay? total percentage what should so the total

Sabahat Khan

I M&A Great. were And franchise in little some undertook, some -- was to just want noted did markets? you talked make you call acquisitions squeeze heard if the I in one, when new the one you the correctly of about of that earlier sure in I just it could

Mary Whitney

been deals but What we that not said is Those $XXX markets. million included yet signed franchise have in closed.

So year. of we're looking closing in the forward the to them half back

Operator

with question next today from Stifel. our Butler And Brian comes

Brian Butler

hopefully. just been But quick Most my ones, have questions of X answered.

clarify there of I of RIN just just XXXX, level. to to months that upside sure stays EBITDA for with was made at that next the kind want higher get we RIN, in some And million assumption RNG, of $XXX wanted assumption that potentially prices the XX make that's On $X. to maybe that closer Is correct? a out correct? there's

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes. $XXX [ to of We ], actually RIN [ $X.XX was million ] that pricing $X.XX -- made Brian. with

$X. not no, So

there certainly assumption made -- not made $X, at it's is upside some So because the wasn't at but it $X. wasn't XX%

credit. What an $X $X ITC we have said worked worked thesis is that the investment with tax down to ITC credit, an without below it tax

a be based ] $X.XX may question. the bit that on But little the to RINs [$X.XX] million answer of [ $XXX to confusion. So the was

Brian Butler

good where partnership on like is I should maybe think point? then kind that's issue into partnership but a this and future? that and it's what of there. a out And an days, you talked Perfect. that mean, about of the might obviously, PFAS leachate, from How management is obviously, early we out emerging starting about look cost

Ronald Mittelstaedt

is been Well, is some one, least comply The is to top a public only of the that. we very Brian. the compete the I it investment, at a competitors this recover incremental positive capital say margin on development of not with, days, early depth Federal and for of I opportunity have would companies historically Number things. our has pricing industry. couple for with type it mean, legislation that a the to regulation but of uniform all

opportunity don't differently. And this any view so we

at impact on outlet levels cost levels much -- are. and different depending market what options may treat PFAS to a is it As you how have by what your

a issue. an standpoint, it's capital and type bit $X in cost will a liquid $X landfill honest. And a million to effect, you units million, a $X.XX treatment to, million encapsulated going greater at so industrial use from logistics the -- is impact. to probably go POTW somewhere And it's to But more And of allowing look, gallon $X.XX treated wastewater a it's no the the of that's treatment technology $XX generally to your that back handle at will purchasing than the a before. be in to a million be $X and solidify was between the capital that PFAS landfill, permanently to it to within plant or be at real into a and solidified probably leachate, allow

cost the be is both and will incremental but it early through operating days, said. as we pricing So this, the capital you've

Operator

Wolfe today And comes Research. with our question Timna from next Tanners

Timna Tanners

updated to I focus that few to stray given just if any level. thoughts just have desire, on your competitor for ones so? thoughts will high be But updated pretty a away a quick solid I Any any, waste there? from wanted doing think ask

Ronald Mittelstaedt

I a At [ thoughts. do intention mean, with well, of for XX No we years I updated did sort the disposal It's one XX earlier that no. so. waste X% to we was XX% of to Timna, what yes, ] now have entered years, what year. we business. call Look, pure solid this our been ago, point, business. play. X.X% E&P

solid back disposal we of in we no in attractive be see side, not while to -- it things, to other And our just look than at capital. see our relative at waste uses from E&P recycling have opportunity reason, ample us. side. less this waste stray the And ample opportunity treatment use that we core and well in we I'll got time. them alternative, We've it's really point words, and of front was and XXXX. But solid So in and your found

sense strategically it do. others looking speak what are can't just great to but I doing. we're assuming So not I'm something for them, to it's makes

Timna Tanners

similarly, lab? to nothing if the aren't in me just know necessarily try that but your past, late will, EV That's put to elections said that like And for you does in the important strategy to And change if seems deemphasize, all, I the then I'm the you it Or President helpful. all? and at EVs, too could you've else. back is that politics wondering, Trump

Ronald Mittelstaedt

not, the know they who on different whether any "all will be will what of will always could us Well, depending have in" do who we election say, anyway. I and what none EV. -- look, they win on know But gone don't by ultimately it means,

asking back We on markets of of process, planning to are there's York those in complying it there done now. the the the that think Congress. These something based parts has and as don't too, based that of have made return. If to, on California has made or doing on with are wins investment-wise think regulatory decisions solely each done, bidding in I us City we're side as I of we who control in reserve parts complying. But some. in best right from of we're hearing anything to policy seeing on and right any changes environmentally we what's we've and irrespective that up They investment focus out or one New or on equations, made the demanding any are strategic are no, anything franchising, election don't decisions either based made decision. that such on another. and are asking But economic not an that they such are always us sustainability-wise,

Timna Tanners

to just what Can remind just just it us you remind Is this And acquisition your alternatives then thinking and there. it. would Got revisit question time. you take dividend us at final can of one. if Okay. opportunities? it a Or of the

Mary Whitney

at the So we've the you about of looking double continue every and this I'd in year dividend in initiation time. basis. it remind to share raised a differing on we expectations think in that have XXXX, since no it at QX, And digits every per year point we

Timna Tanners

I the that. buyback, sorry, sorry misspoke. meant about I'm I'm I

Mary Whitney

best The that had, view always the highest to we've buyback. and use drive M&A our we which say We'd incremental growth. same philosophy as

fit, would Of already on dividend. on comes our and valuations but mentioned the first. philosophy I've that depending be course, strategic it always

up how it's when opportunity said, and year, about years it's we over stepping we In consider like we are years in absolutely -- on the would seeing be ample already to this and $X.X had of we've it. like when could is on now M&A free not implies outsized between not that certain That's outlays that and available, billion more what cash there's opportunistically. have certainly of So think deals amount buyback where, do we're year-end. we've as to continue that, continue an to flow

Operator

final Stephanie today with our question And comes Jefferies. from Moore

Stephanie Benjamin Moore

clarification it keep just will I one here. More to so one a question. quick

positions open down. labor You being about talked

if a to maybe labor think the XX%. in? this talk could much seeing about in reduction maybe versus then either of retention maybe for reduced I more think you or positions, come open front? turnover kind labor, said And need maybe How tailwinds Any is better about go on productivity is lower there you due other the is about incremental function of or bit there? that color you're -- and you as this to if a little

Ronald Mittelstaedt

usually half sort okay? for brought XX% we of of being with Stephanie, first We turnover, the maybe, our peaked sort XX% 'XX X% And total open very naturally. That open driver unsafe it was in -- to question. We up X% use to about the it of the traditionally had voluntary about was so just us always Well, that's mid- Sure. actually half about peak. back spot and your where end us That involuntary potential sweet that. to we're at That being activity. X.X% had company off of 'XX. on pre-pandemic, being about when to -- really run position, a traditionally let's the of proactive that headcount, to tried

sitting X%, now X%. regions about are at X on X are of we dead right So under our

X.X% want X.X% mid-XX% and closer is this be turnover XX.X% optimal. we about sort open to the to level headcount involuntary to would turnover environment, XX%. getting our We've to XX.X% our we're to around from So of down this voluntary target. In XX%, run like reduced running

involuntary XX% comfortable optimally voluntary. like where It XX% We're So level. get in on that the will also go drop we've got to our as about with everything is. it probably X to points I'd that to down naturally stabilizes. another

improvements which everywhere, it without are to focus turnover is, on about a MRF which is is route, I that is closer the turnover It getting to answer I the you at the from growth other best was and question. That answer do able actually It this piece when that fully incremental small -- per get talked all both the "productivity" drives question. due is staffed But than improvement point the productivity adding conscious all productivity robotics. incremental as you been improvement we're So and headcount. you on, to your your versus side to through almost then has in commented our question.

Operator

And Mr. like for remarks. conference our I'd session. the this to concludes over question-and-answer Mittelstaedt to closing turn

Ronald Mittelstaedt

there Regulation if securities cover Box listening further and G we Okay. management questions that applicable today. appreciate we are in FD, direct to did team, the entire available Canada. not Reg allowed interest laws any behalf our are of to Mary call are answer Well, no in answer today your on to Joe that questions, we Anne under and and

Thank you next call. upcoming with again. conferences to look connecting We earnings our or investor forward at you on

Operator

Thank you, for sir. This you all attending today's presentation. We today's call. thank concludes conference

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