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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. Welcome, everyone, to BlackRock TCP Capital Corp.'s Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference call is being recorded for replay purposes. [Operator Instructions] And now I would like to turn the call over to Michaela Murray, a member of the BlackRock TCP Capital Corp. Investor Relations team. proceed. please Michaela,

Michaela Murray

Thank you.

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Rajneesh Vig

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Philip Tseng

Thanks, Raj.

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Erik Cuellar

you, Thank Phil.

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to over Now call back I'll Raj. turn the

Rajneesh Vig

Thanks, Erik.

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Operator

Fargo. the Our [Operator comes first Finian of O'Shea line with Instructions] from question Wells

Finian O'Shea

Congrats, the to for We the inputs changes. what and us to for return but go the could obviously that would anticipate moves that, of of there. sort unpack opening book and There's high seeing being as one return other remarks Raj, around. rest spread Raj, you on leverage NII end your you the the and on that of Phil, gauge the the curve SOFR relate the TCP. they can on to team on I wanted

Erik Cuellar

Yes, it's Fin, Erik. hello,

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Finian O'Shea

And management in reorganization seeing changes at me. came then to that all management And style-wise, you market or this were maybe and BlackRock, in with also with -- there or middle some if credit there, the like resource-wise, on go There other effort to changes. everyone there's or private anything credit just ups anything do an for apparent helpful. the wants be on would would expand maybe regard upper that's higher

Philip Tseng

for question. Phil. Fin, Yes. Hello, the it's Thanks

what business, kind BlackRock, that our think to together is collaboration group I really and is of single into I So in referring right synergies lending of unit. direct you're Asia strong And to lending put here entire global just franchise. Europe, the and business at we've think those franchises the our a drive a U.S., natural of in across geographies the each and having evolution trying business direct

real benefits and see achieving strategy are of platform single As we focus around that and business groups being benefits. tangible provides by those consolidating the you unit part lot a there know, of around BlackRock the the a from into

opportunity So ongoing platform. It not strategy us of we benefits continue an shift. is business, to keep the investment growing our for process, as to the it see of get our optimize indication

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Operator

Our comes with Dodd the Raymond from question of line James. next Robert

Robert Dodd

new luck for of Raj, roles. heading. and the in Phil you're good and Congrats, the the rest team Congrats, wherever

lending expect is asset incidence I Fin's TCPC on the things the given way put their or that impact direct -- global global of any going with of type follow-up the program, -- should on to of or mix, making we both together styles portfolio things of deals lending? you've any into have the greater -- format a into a international new a first overall to geographic maybe now One direct just question. mean,

Philip Tseng

the Yes. question. Thanks for Hello, Robert, it's Phil.

change it's -- really the expect the the we really it's don't So of mix mix are change to a much not We global because platform. to portfolio.

expect are compliance, do synergies deals whether platform around we areas, like I platform. as resources, reiterate was they source mentioning, our other thing TCPC around origination around processes, one be do across both legal benefits, what ideas, BlackRock the and today transactions, to all the other think that's is so I well for investment as the important on. But that the on we

benefit we of So a the seeing have global effort. having been sourcing

coming on in there are the U.S. feet that of portfolio, various through the markets some are So the benefits ground are in deals in absolutely the having outside that

Robert Dodd

keep that. the process high I indication the like And low us to dividend that of but decision-making special, what all mean, update? on any position? give us that you but I And mesh update particularly Or the an don't thought into why give dividend? can how you of What's it very could tax? does on on what right, is us Board, estimated that was that's kind I the an spillover spillover to question, -- $X.XX can think -- excise On the you thoughts any want you minimize recall, if the from

Rajneesh Vig

that I'll try to then think, will Robert, add off more and some color. I Erik, Yes, kick

the spillover, that obviously, with out-earned. think a function we've it's of I

of approach view the more excise year, we tax weigh we in a as I low-cost with always we pipeline. that opportunities think as the the can and we kind the And mean, -- off I visibility, of the loan. weigh I have end

start think I buyback weighing we'll that with share opportunities.

on a cost latter a opportunity I allocation really of its add And general cost the -- and with of you the out-earning add Erik to capital trying over then as year. part the turn a a being to color. special making But specials, is the the the are at just good to we the of decision can the on maybe other in When core to the there's excise it decision it return mitigate the function get assets. So any partial trying and have tax end to having the best spillover that assess we based year of being variety decision.

Erik Cuellar

that I'll excise required just amount between to it taxes. Rob, we're required versus the balance amount the add And is avoid distribute that to that's a Yes.

cheap excise noted, Raj As cost we're capital. a fine of as tax it's incurring the

However, have requirements. those distribution of that we need requirements are and do ensure meeting we we that, minimum part to

Robert Dodd

going had prepaid of on $X.XX, I which add question. of pretty kind you I prepay And to $X.XX and longer-term mean, everything then fees, this you back is the quarter, elevated mean, associated mean, with that, which recent last it but standards. up is $X.XX activity quarter that to I by pretty pretty it the prepay that is going ramped elevated expectation is quarter, high. Is stay And coming rates elevated? component Because earnings, of NII base for the -- a rates if that's come maybe to some I there's into year, mentioned lower prepay expect next with activity price. bit on is reverse not, down, with prepay QX, mean little to down, you obviously you looking $X.XX. going it return rates but not also and it's get the normalizes, a that.

Rajneesh Vig

Yes.

being quarterly add add I I in over almost you just if prepays the with thing active longer. can we necessarily if say, had don't to just loans any the People anyone went referring higher, that would it. from, -- maybe a here off XX-plus level. rate comments, has that me else X last, go I'm got back historically many decades, environment, you bit. go I back years, some so is into rates a of yield. But cooled sure higher historically, speaking, you and really as to quarters not out the Let think of range -- start, we nice I'll The environment, higher getting I'm duration and know, M&A were the you're less -- little a naturally was if the $X.XX

There in The to comments, comment is anticipation there'll a his certainly Phil's M&A coming this an There is activity down. election through be behind are us. refinance rates that I prepared year. in more activity. think echo is pickup

of prior of without forward think picking we're episodic, that conditions or we more years like to predict the hard moving speculating back to it's it. But we generated don't and but very kind and in the always it's can higher in lot where do projecting, prepays conditions so feel up, been very not some illogical forecast in So prepays. a the be

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think So conditions that specifically. answer go there's being good the I without on forward question to able

Robert Dodd

then can. last if one, one And I

a market capital, on, picks while? kind M&A terms the mean, there recycling understand? of the update it's that et we're take restructured anything there in resolve if going gave on Just Or activity saying, et right? if multiyear these resolving restructure, on is having you pull faster there potential -- issues, Any that at obviously, still us cycle large, up, you I last of are, the if of is And the any change cetera. on things that? cetera. write-downs those think this a could an mean, I where I quarter mean, to I has that resolving talking expectation been it recover, -- mean, I those not businesses particular Is you the companies,

Rajneesh Vig

Yes.

And undergoing They post does the our outcomes shareholders situation. are as steps allow for bidder the borrowers they and asking, value, that outcome an an reorg. multiyear on for optimize feel but earlier process can that the right is processes evaluate have sometimes you otherwise best up Robert, will market there undertaking answer be in best you're would we situations are these think or we to of restructured own M&A scenarios up. or does would situations. multiyear the M&A pickup like the that undertake the get I our the restructurings. processes, up and the interested comes I is appropriate and getting are we processes, to pick and we quite didn't We and -- and confident mentioned, market M&A exit us in say the in if that of that than situations depends activity feel come think we where it some or these market to some control company require restructuring time we patience. If I restructuring has the where those the does borrower come then for that is

that that's very exits, speaking. much still accelerates I think broadly some really Whether we're these of So TBD, open-minded.

Operator

Our line the Paul next KBW. of from Johnson with comes question

Paul Johnson

with I'd in much how just us you in just various be point of thoughts the of On names? And Amazon at some kind get still your the industry, Razor part think going these for curious aggregator on the even of investment and Amazon on portfolio this less just under tell non-accrual. consolidation. aggregators the to also change Can facing we're Amazon, is in challenges I kind the

You're probably to efficiencies. realize of some these time saying to take going it's

So be I that you will -- kind these perform you'll optimism that and of foundation? companies able capture eventually what gives guess to efficiency

Philip Tseng

Phil. It's Paul. Thanks,

the evolved loans in aggregators The we leaders comprise to sector SellerX. we're the strategies structures the environment. aggregators a a path you've market think bit quite Thrasio, and this with That's still the over point. believe I about of space, X.X% the compete of liquidity we And currently the aggregator outcomes invested believe capital to evolving and, regards of past the has course, the successful at newer in investment portfolio. noticed. appropriate the So and obviously value as their for these X to fair there's Razor, With years, this to

these from term, consolidation. -- these benefit ongoing medium to will the businesses longer Over benefit

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Paul Johnson

average at is I presentation, kind on higher, structure. of then, cost is all debt than interest your of was And rate little I annualized were of I'm that think weighted looking cost bit a in, It your this think, X.X% quarter. the estimating liability about of the moving guess, X.X%, around your to a but we for I

of that little debt So liabilities going was anything drove just in your through a was that quarter that this cost the there higher?

Erik Cuellar

borrowing notes, are of is bit did One XXXX a a coupon which refi couple incremental costs, A versus had current our quite of we our higher. things. X.X% which Yes.

was there debt because Then what were a second is interest we that versus rate would the there. So run the expense additional outstanding. cash simply you step-up factor was normally expect a higher as carrying than

cash As coming earning a interest we due versus notes were X.X%. on with were higher the the of coupon that we mentioned,

higher incremental even other But So in interest higher that you on income expense, see interest -- I side. normalize there's the guess, you should but QX.

Paul Johnson

of you And SBA I the to then any the remaining under in do is any license? guess, current apply for kind there plans, more? any have And capacity potentially work

Erik Cuellar

currently $XX do Yes, license. we both. under that We million down have remaining can current our draw

In addition we -- repayments. subsidiary, some within to that, we that had have also are

that that the -- the So already essence, we've we we redeploy a drawn from continue second through the SBIC. coming from license as there And that get SBA. have more capital do to, see the deals from pipeline, to ability use we have to notes in and

Operator

[Operator Instructions] the Nolan question Our with Thalmann. next of comes line Christopher from Ladenburg

Christopher Nolan

forward. well could like Raj, change? you given articulate as and to TCPC the would facing and congrats you're in the you major what going you you Phil, with I and now good challenges what that you wish Phil, see chair, working

Philip Tseng

laser-focused portfolio a ensuring That's are Wolfe, outcome. on restructurings a COO; and the great manage Dan Worrell, Jason, myself Obviously, our our Thanks, and as in optimizes well the new President; way that the Chris. we the that our non-accruals as we Patrick and question. Co-CIO,

tremendous resources of on names. are attention We and amount those deploying

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Christopher Nolan

company. And now price mining kind to price stock the stock just has the And and not looking the XXXX new at been is lows.

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Philip Tseng

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Christopher Nolan

new idea dividend things portfolio. management it help general normal management get have I reading the Final would doing the the nicely is And an fee And if explanation, like support viewing waivers question notice and dividend. from what terms I'm appreciate management mean, much trying to that? EPS. Just beyond of that supporting how the investments couldn't than right, coupon, on patient done. lower start you but that's a the extent to the I in would waivers, dividend? I

Philip Tseng

Yes.

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Christopher Nolan

note the the would is yielding on I And supplement, current also roughly current value. that the same book the on excluding dividend, NAV

So it's just there. up getting

Operator

would to That conclude the call like the remarks. closing will session. for now team the question-and-answer any to pass I back over management

Rajneesh Vig

your and for you. capital thank This all today's continued you for all participation on our Thank and today's dedication. support your shareholders for hard concludes to Thank I work partners like and our team would their call. call.

Operator

for you Thank participation. call. today's your concludes That

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BlackRock TCP Capital (TCPC) 6 Nov 242024 Q3 Earnings call transcript