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Lawrence Mendelsohn | executive |
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Great Ajax Corporation Q3 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode, and please be advised that this call is being recorded.
Now at this time, I'll turn things over to your host, Mr. Larry Mendelsohn, Chief Executive Officer. Mr. ahead. go please Mendelsohn,
for for everyone, third Great quarter call. joining you, the us Ajax Thank
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