Earnings call transcript Q4 2022

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Operator

Welcome to the U.S. Bancorp Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call.

Following a review of the results, there will be a formal question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] This call will be recorded and available for replay beginning today at approximately 11:00 A.M. Central Time.

the and over for Director turn Senior George U.S. now President Vice of will conference to call Andersen, I Investor Relations Bancorp.

George Andersen

are Terry Dolan, Thank With Vice Chair President good and Financial our Chief Andy Officer. Chief today and and you, Chairman, Cecere, Officer; morning Executive and our Brad me everyone.

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Andy Cecere

thank slide call. morning our you everyone joining George. Thanks three. and Good for on begin I'll

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Terry Dolan

Andy. Thanks,

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balance continuing optimization shows XX trends. million of activities, the the third $XXX After net total reflected X.XX% charge-offs X.XX% totaled quarter Slide impacts average We net sheet $XXX in quality which million. acquisition credit credit of loans, from quarter, reported losses. the charge-offs normalization for or and the up of adjusting for

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expected during of Total revenue purchase to in be to $X.X billion, intangible inclusive non-interest $X.X as core be to approximately of the Bank. amortization to quarter. million of of $X.X of adjusted billion, related million billion including $XXX expense a range $X.X billion is Total in $XXX Union is estimated accretion approximately range accounting deposit the to

to for rate between integration and merger tax $XXX as Our million taxable-equivalent quarter. XX% the charges basis. income is a expected anticipate XX% million be to $XXX on approximately adjusted We of and

full will provide guidance for year. I now the

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as basis XX%. on to Our equivalent adjusted rate taxable will estimated a full income XX% approximately be year tax

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back for remarks. I closing will now it hand Andy to

Andy Cecere

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Operator

we We Siefers go [Operator begin Instructions] Scott with question-and-answer session. Piper Please will go now the to Sandler. And can first ahead.

Andy Cecere

Scott. morning Good

Terry Dolan

Scott. Hi,

Scott Siefers

for Maybe a question you.

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growth, keep So on there? But under you're or sales help you assets. or there thought to still billion will additional any $XXX in under securitizations limiting be

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Andy Cecere

Terry in. is Scott, I'll will This and add Andy start.

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allowing way a all grow to are profitable us the in in those future. So

the a securitizations, XXXX, they into not And Cat balance about earliest to As what nominal we the category in further nature. II threshold material cross we would and before, until and that of the time. expect we add? have new that's would any talked at you sheet very actions be in end if not Terry, at of optimization the

Terry Dolan

I for No, balance we're ready significant from we spent Yeah. sheet of to expect end able lot But adopt would And the there's II as any forward. a We to again positioning be go no real here. cap. we just the reiterate, by optimization real wouldn't of Category balance sheet growth XXXX. time

Scott Siefers

for thoughts mark, your would it's now, sort then just thoughts? And well? on to curious of of a crush on know, I as pause be sort still so but repurchase Wonderful. we're

Terry Dolan

Scott. Yeah,

So expect we've in continue said we that, that. as to

spot, about starting good about are X.X% CETX. a We

that to it expect X% XXXX continue by up creep end to to that year, or above and to from continue next at of accrete We particular point. move the up and

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Scott Siefers

Appreciate the right. All you. all Wonderful. thought. Thank

Terry Dolan

Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Najarian UBS. Erika ahead. Next, we to go go with Please can

Erika Najarian

Good Hi. morning.

Terry Dolan

Good morning.

Erika Najarian

the for you Day on the relates Memorial question you thank of that as it first to cost expected the slides. all weekend cadence My synergies And the is gave detail your us conversion. on

for is question, and clarification first systems then weekend year little like? until synergy full synergies, acceleration And expect we is cost XXXX? So XX% the what as a Day cadence very that synergies cost Do converge? target capture an in that cost the in Memorial

Terry Dolan

cost of Yeah, And of expectation year the $XXX just that million Erika, to synergies, our of XX% see next is question. in great that we'll confirm, XXXX. about

kick synergies And a from those Memorial the to start to cadence in system Day with subsequent so standpoint, of will the that cost conversion, vast conversion. really majority

much that half of first more of second XX% the year. in half during smaller So the of the the year significant

Erika Najarian

it. Got

of So so words, the in above anticipate exit XX%? – other we should an rate by well XQ XXXX

Terry Dolan

end have Yes. we the that the By such to in of get XXX%. the get we to cost the we will achieved fourth position vast the XXXX, by good time we the quarter, incorporated of be synergies a to will have time majority

Erika Najarian

is Got it. on outlook. And question the follow-up economic my

legacy charge-offs like unemployment Bank are in U.S. what your that us the based outlook. lot the -- here. the in remind seems being Bank terms U.S. could And a you as we for anticipating on mild it of a are GDP from outlook, recession anticipate and thinking, peers trend you If is captured reserves legacy how of would

Terry Dolan

bit. GDP thought is that unemployment of half I are base our Yes, we is the reserve, that in that mild thinking and ticks or probably year either a When case say probably would with process. expectations up that about flat second sort the and there consistent recession a down the relatively is of are our a

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Erika Najarian

Got you. it. Thank

Terry Dolan

Erika. Thanks

Operator

Securities. ahead. can next, with go Mayo to go Fargo And Wells Please Mike we

Terry Dolan

Good Mike. morning

Mike Mayo

I good just Hey to Hi. morning. clarify. wanted

So, you over leverage basis your made points. operating in XXXX XXX positive

of you back points. the know, sure if don't the operating I I'm between, getting all-in XXX And correct. back I'm not positive what somewhere numbers, in into basis to numbers, If leverage if XXX year-over-year that's do get? you you

the why basis the XX increasing five guide? And such billion. billion That's is margin That's a the in And points versus versus quarter? fourth big in an revenue the why still a variance improvement more others. $XX of to bit $XX

Andy Cecere

in. of a on and add then Terry start couple I'll things will

very your sort questions. the about the me increasing backwards and $XX deposits brings in that consumer margin lot, Bank And a points. a because deposits XX So, billion principally of talked stable low-cost driving of on up environment that five on. of to of is The that Union in basis. Mike, on low-cost, value in this let that principally margin go is valuable basis We reflected quarterly that's

XXX a achieve XXXX points operating hearing bit leverage positive of basis background. did -- We in of little

George Andersen

we're Mike, Can line? mute Thanks. you background. getting Hey little a your

Andy Cecere

did But achieve to continued XXXX. as have expect points merger-related leverage positive is achieve leverage XXXX. would basis it well. positive to in XXX charges We operating the of going We XXXX operating into in

at would on And core looking you add? a basis. Terry, it I'm So what

Terry Dolan

Yes.

in net and things in clearly, of are margin that to a to interest accelerate the through there, betas to Union five Bank the margin, related Just kind and coming net of expect see points lift maybe basis XX from rest maybe kind like going XXXX. that back on, of bit flattish or to coming interest But we increase deposit moderate expansion year. to then the

Mike Mayo

direction. Bancorp for going long trend a And like a cost to that It follow-up, time. looks a you're producer back as in been had low look, U.S.

still get is So But in I in synergies. Union it had that's why and X%. like have higher, expected acquisition? accretion brought it, change no from expected performing synergies X% you no still the change the to sounds better, Bank you the

And Andy, five-or-so turning you separate now positive in drag from that, is a the versus last tech the December years. cycle big then mentioned investment that being

If you could elaborate that? you. on Thank

Andy Cecere

And Terry Mike. of are XXXX. fully in savings, Sure, as XX% million you're still cost in XXXX, $XXX we XXX% went through, implemented projecting, right,

provided Importantly, have guidance we in revenue the we provided, synergies. that not any

conversion think integration revenue So process. without particularly after to there be which synergies, we and are it's some going the

tech. spend We are the on past heavy

that. You're part platform right, company the this we're three benefit very is in a the more or technology and we've to to shift of benefits last of made gain the the of in of transaction low years a and And to line starting flat leveraging over way. investments our four allow to us cost lift the

So that we benefit is synergies driving about. through talk that the

Mike Mayo

Thank you.

Andy Cecere

Mike. Thanks

Operator

go to go we'll now Please ISI. with And ahead. Evercore John Pancari

Andy Cecere

Good John. morning

Terry Dolan

Hi John.

John Pancari

Good morning.

are and the you you other indicated metrics, I seeing just know starting finance obviously? side they some to and in income or moving -- prime? you're super most more. on beyond players normalization low if consumer are classes charge-offs can to you in cohorts you asset Is We're are income a or delinquencies. classes? credit So that hearing prime just the want of what Thanks. it I but elaborate non-prime on some seeing see the into card the from seeing the normalization what that normalization the asset impacting And In also bit and see normalization?

Terry Dolan

Terry. mean -- is this I Yeah. I

more reminder, terms an upper you're your from space. really seeing so it be particular perspective, address maybe bands lower in as all on tick the portfolios. first we're time. the prime, where that we're at bands And underwriting of extent to up, in of it's to opposed focus maybe consumer starting To we super this as the in seeing on would prime So to and question in card our point a right; credit probably the delinquencies it

down with down; from credit as just the again, that other are That too. about portfolios one much we And as that's revolving a when And credit with But starting respect more savings to people they're you coming on that card as perspective, think continue their cards. more of the normalize, unsecured talked of natural a significant. are we is and at the look the things But that is portfolio, to yet. not kind would or savings progression things fairly consumer I it's we coming expect excess seeing.

John Pancari

revenue Okay. how consumer and Thanks. guess behavior payments this for out that I look your as and considering your Thanks. your And revenue how Terry, dynamics? impact the through well, macro macro the in and card your processing you then as that's related, helpful. assumptions year, does revenue does expectations development merchant

Andy Cecere

Yeah.

The you spend a revenues, year-over-year payments is XX% basis, above saw, is the pre-COVID well still plus card above. X%. levels. On So we're

a expect the the start for Terry but continues in continued level bit savings as of into the to still behavior spend categories little we spend are strong. So moderating more change. of And we go moderate But would shifting reasons consumer bit. that expect probably spend, The a rest forward again, the to mentioned. but as go to be growth nature strong and we starts normalize and XXXX

Terry Dolan

end or revenue of anticipate has our would And particular kind a starts prepaid is that in XXXX, the about XXXX, is revenue expectation been I that things we thing kind bit talked a is the Relative primarily single that we've and is that business card because And which digits terms our one think for revenue, will that, and high to kind moderate. of that the when at of prepaid credit processing card business. year-over-year of we to up sales that's adding, that comparisons. look a in strengthen drag, we of Yeah. merchant John,

that's – And to digits, recover then think on double that's travel particular digits. entertainment in nicely we see that continuing that payment corporate to we're be to and continue not high the certainly going very business, reasonably if low strong, And single card space.

revenue the trends for XXXX. good pretty about feel we So payment

John Pancari

it. Great. Thank Terry. Appreciate you,

Terry Dolan

Yep.

Operator

Next, Bank ahead. Please America. to we Poonawala with go Ebrahim go of

Ebrahim Poonawala

morning. Hey, good

Terry Dolan

Ebrahim. morning, Good

Ebrahim Poonawala

just I follow one want to up credit. on

So consumer. you about talked

maybe you're certain book, is either perspective or beginning any which around book, softening within just don't slide, talking – CRE CRE you Looking loans. California if office to markets, about CRE sharing of in at the your XX% if the the see mind

Terry Dolan

some a tied think, that Yeah. I The think that, to is particular when it space. on if CRE return-to-office had watch perspective, of I happening. of behaviors that And is a the from really office much But moderating are going longer-term have that a high maybe certainly kind over will, of we really probably or a the level, greatest probably that's up just end probably at extent. you We're to sort well to mean, at we to is patterns. sort just valuations, this look credit to from areas I And focus at structural it going point. continues have time. to perspective pretty adjustment portfolio, core CRE perform as

Ebrahim Poonawala

I partnerships. mentioned And separate slide, you tech about think just about When your around you the some payments. it. Got question one in and investments of guess,

like business? us from give growth secular a standpoint, share competitive of market us around and you're areas sense – positioning partnership Just this that of this like remind in how you about for just outlook USB, see thinking

Andy Cecere

Yeah.

look we've lot our as of growth forward. we of to us partnership's component for important As of card the made have then to being tech-led led the merchant and area categories. a activity, principal and be the you investments side, growth processing for that the mentioned, on an a continues investments And in strength point tech-led

over made those few years. two doing and are partnerships on it's and we've to the areas, well merchant investments past the on partly So card, due tech-led

Ebrahim Poonawala

do acquisitions kind the in-house, within just bolt-on see And build strategy of this that or more is you to there business?

Andy Cecere

miscellaneous investments the their company of and made our you as that M&A look software edges. for -- to Many like of the bolt-ons or We've developed and used think added add our do to little platforms Bento you with internal said of that activities business. continue we forward. that investments the we've allow the we different are to around I a capabilities as has integration that Atellic for run both well, allow know, as capabilities acquisitions And some we'll

Ebrahim Poonawala

Good. Thank you.

Andy Cecere

Sure.

Operator

go Please can we Gerard RBC. go with ahead. to And Cassidy

Terry Dolan

Gerard. Morning

Andy Cecere

Gerard. Morning

Gerard Cassidy

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Terry Dolan

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Gerard Cassidy

loans, -- where any too XYZ the corporate was the the as that there to well? as maybe total company and and were shared down Terry, take you much there Bank you had Union in relationships, guys decided an to meaning exposure

Terry Dolan

Yes. Exactly.

risk specific of perspective, was So, strategy. customers, hold maybe a to a from at yes, levels concentrations part with or looking that respect the

Gerard Cassidy

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Terry Dolan

Yeah.

Let me clarify.

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Gerard Cassidy

clearing I for you that up. appreciate Thank it.

Terry Dolan

Yeah.

Operator

go Graseck we next, go with ahead. Morgan can And to Stanley. Betsy Please

Betsy Graseck

morning. good Hi,

Terry Dolan

Hi, Betsy.

Betsy Graseck

the clear. to from and super deck Hi I and And effort end make really straightforward. congratulations the all my is too. simple it appreciate

you got think XXXX? should go per the about a reserving follow-up do bit had. the a discussion day, said, the couple the for through as marks, we do we had had to questions add about fair you value XXXX CECL just and we Because the me, So rules. you we also the talk as you've to of Could on level little to just like how into

here? Does move that? inch there reserve a in just Thanks. you which should would scenario how out ratio it about stabilize does Is think it we down? actually from So Could higher? frame

Terry Dolan

we mean, obviously, large, -- portfolio, XXXX, of a uncertainty based terms changing in up I that, is I metric and things think But feel points is as good little by might think basis economic we a ends about how mix XXXX might a about year. Yeah. probably case, different speak. it of of XXX and pretty how good the impacted is that think base lot I the think it change. upon to that, a down we our throughout the with bit. as But It inch that so comfortable by

Betsy Graseck

I I sheet. balance bit the XXXX, growth than on when growth versus then rate a the I Okay. at the other to think question slower a we're of I have at seeing it's XXXX used addressed XQ USB. know guide this you look But before. one And

could growth I during you phase second maybe and understand, is down on and should this the ticky-tackies you XXXX. should have anticipate? that CDI of the accounting And the a don't mind, just we this purchase that maybe expect XXXX couple we and how or then integration So should accelerate growth steps up, the into is and if level half rate that a moderated help us of

Andy Cecere

Sure. Betsy, Andy. is this

exceptional think well the commercial as So on CRE. growth loan I first, led categories, by had XXXX across as many growth rate,

So more would is that what see normalizing. we

and bit fact It rates across the categories. was other quarter. full which average quarter. activity by in impacted see that, the the most in a are of took rest first we demand, the And of fourth fourth You're quarter, I optimization in is a But the growth starting of driver balances and think loan is a fourth that some the XXXX. the principal quarter partial moderating in quarter that quarter down to is the function the

growing in we XXXX. So what a than it's less but still saw

Terry Dolan

is your kind the And I think the over it was deposit core maybe that about it's would then, Betsy, probably way that, will second the approach. it recognition sort period. It down, sum-of-the-years probably question, time, of which a – intangible assuming related around to of step will it good is a over XX-year of about just income a amortize into of digit and modeling way

Betsy Graseck

how think for thing we I know or it's mean same should And PAA, PAA, about that? I but change… different, PAA

Terry Dolan

Yeah.

to and things. sorts And tied, it all prepayments will obviously, life loans. the of by the being that's end of So impacted up

at that looking you it is half mortgage portfolio in shorter and their corporate of acquired, half end it about we is up If residential of term.

looking four, faster five a also average end. probably you if the accrete six an front to four sort time that frame, ended up years, then that years, bit on of little probably, will at course, of life So of

Betsy Graseck

Okay. for that. Thank you

Terry Dolan

Yep. Betsy. Thanks,

Operator

go with Please go next, Vivek And we'll ahead. JPMorgan. to Juneja

Terry Dolan

Good morning, Vivek.

Vivek Juneja

that or sort recovery, can couple give questions. the fact Hi. Congratulations. just crossover of that value book going of color what's Good you'd also back to of the that there the Is that morning. that? earnings, just help so back simply underneath A that's come is tangible quickly, you on and recover The something driver quickly? else any it key

Terry Dolan

the Yeah. It's with see marks that underlying principally company. accretion the and respect going to earnings the Union effect Bank, we're the of to

Vivek Juneja

Okay.

because So the accretion that that you loans the asked, – say, mortgages. the question Betsy – heard current half are accretion just the purchase I

part accretion So that pre-purchase going slowly? is of longer? accounting guess, it So will stay is over come I for that take more high to – that down,

Terry Dolan

kind the just it's No, to X% X% – levels Yeah. on think is of really – we're really it I accretion the expecting that

Vivek Juneja

The UB side?

Terry Dolan

Yeah.

Andy Cecere

Yeah.

Vivek Juneja

it. Got Okay.

UB, the all yours? I you billion. or the other pretty ones. decline of is optimization of which some that $XX had sheet types couple think of sizable, Is Deposits, deposits? it A balance in it And Okay. little it's

Terry Dolan

standpoint, things. Yeah. whether we dollar deposits a kind euro would deposit at regulatory or of went It's ended couple made brokerage-type very We had We a great a higher-cost kind We getting when be question. a deposits, up looking From ended to conscious LCR after decision through, that that. on ratios. of focus a kind that at reposition looking you things. deposits, those the optimization approval of sorts of about up of different think we

point came And On that, those customers, billion Bank transitionary. over the over there's I Union that thing $X will kind were worth their out is more to to that those about of bank back time, transition $X one that of, would the billion deposits side, as migrate. investment global

of early to half XXXX. So, I that other the the quarter, fourth migrated about that probably migrate would half of in and expect in

with ended are up to kind at deposit and those things the flows. we respect of looking deposit But

Union So, low-cost deposits it then deposits high-cost was that over coming out of the are -- some really looking or effect. at trading Bank low-cost Bank deposits for and Union for

Vivek Juneja

about come year? And you the quickly Category number end -- think that the II, down how as be expect going the OCI what do was in So, the can better of at to so that you where we shape? to

Terry Dolan

Yes.

So, OCI about is is end the portfolio the at duration little of year $X of the and over billion, the a X%.

from you So, that, here. take that's look can that if assuming a move obviously, at kind don't rates of

HTM. perspective is fixed an investment into about XXs. also of some up pay XX%, kind swaps high XX% that portfolio We've from positioning get in the Our to effect that entered

we're able if with flexibility as if rates position like or pretty a come rates down, well. deal feel up be some we good to to in move there -- bit we a have So,

in So, spot. a like we feel good pretty we're

Vivek Juneja

All you. right. Thank

Operator

Please O'Connor And with we next, can go ahead. go Bank. Deutsche to Matt

Matt O'Connor

X% else even the if more, point And at to move of expected a capital, you talk build X% the higher. get have there build reserves and doesn't or the you starting focus by and can much. Good you quickly how macro that I that higher about capital then But the morning. everyone of also, obviously, is realize than is on Can that to year? is worse around to the of capital pace end X.X% the the from

So, I kind earnings could you. of aren't preferreds that assets without bit levers as pull is to exit little a you you Thank can such that guess painful the that need other issuing much? what if of like question you or kind hitting more, some

Terry Dolan

on obviously, I very balance Matt, precious. perspective, we're capital going And optimization to returns. from sheet Yes, mean, profitability, a focused be is

perspective from in want sure resources that growth right we So, spots. an asset to are the make dedicating we our

end The the pace lower of the across we first cost probably quarter conversion. of of merger-related not year more XXXX, the will seen of be a earlier going be little system have costs of little synergies, a fairly Obviously, from will in X.X% through the X% it's by the because going because timing ratable to and growth to above is we incurring the simply four part quarters. bit and simply the

towards that probably a hopefully, more end. gives is weighted So, But of pace kind perspective. bit back the Matt, little some the you

five severe that a kind of at reserve view, we from point of back look of into I'd different is which different Again, approaches, feel one consideration. we at scenarios. come like take We a a lot recession. of We look the

We would of in spot reserving could good X.X%, see X%, feel view. from like and unemployment move a a we be around pretty we up to point still

that's level So, at other if higher, up getting it we'll focus a sheet optimization balance ends -- being it activity. if on ends up then to have

Matt O'Connor

very much. Thank you Okay.

Andy Cecere

Matt. Thanks,

Terry Dolan

Matt. Thanks,

Operator

Please And Jefferies. go with we'll Usdin go ahead. to Ken

Andy Cecere

Ken. morning, Good

Ken Usdin

guys. morning Good

question, think the how wanted us for just to and the the your we just what about underlying terms in on and costs deposit -- year. follow assumptions outlook this quarter from of do projects, if to just how just from First core and the of for just fourth I you walk business impacts is through NII? first that the just ask Can NII betas trajectory underlying

Terry Dolan

Yeah.

So expansion. obviously, going as earning driven to asset is that well income have be the margin net interest in the we by as here growth

then basis little a quarter margin flat, Union that -- XX place bit. margin the first expect points effect maybe our again, just We in of to is up Union -- Bank. is of full reasonably take And quarter reasonably there, because five the moderates modeling to expansion the from that

going betas From are to a clearly, of deposit accelerate. point deposit view,

the opportunities at of the mind look portfolio. But those that's interest we optimize net the and see on, of of the and income, Union interest the the why of to reason think in net the quarter. or kind expansion bringing I year. second Bank value keep associated terms to we'll margin in half you'll is continue -- see that The -- deposits with we're again, this that in moderation first deposit effect in

Ken Usdin

And for using is you period CDI few we you the as the for of impact. one deal a accretion the Can look Thanks. this that XXXX? both does terms around us that run what type accounting like, of on remind Okay. then purchase or the follow-up you're just rate keep change like amortization just past in and years,

Terry Dolan

million in and again, XXXX, to purchase be we CDI that, expect the million. think to accounting I $XXX to million $XXX Well, $XXX about the accretion be

you use pretty think As steps and year’s of time. sum the close will off. down you if amortizing modeling on will it I up assumption I over think I get think a perspective digits, to that XX-year from I mentioned CDI, a But earlier, how it end

really is to tied corporate be assets. is about half it mortgage purchase and The to asset because half shorter-lived of is it et accounting of and the going and lives cetera, commercial,

down little sort similar you time weighted. of frame, think about four into a probably more fashion, accretes that five-year I front-end and to can a it think

Ken Usdin

Okay. Got it. Thank Terry. you,

Terry Dolan

Yeah.

Operator

Chris And ahead. next, we can Kotowski with to go Oppenheimer. Please go

Terry Dolan

Hi Chris.

Chris Kotowski

Hi. Good morning.

get helpful and the XX.X take questions. billion bit end what of I the I of $X.X to guidance look full is slide and Ken's on kind the that Following the range If I Mike get. guidance. of XX range very on day revenue year, year $X.X billion at and midpoint weight the full up I a lower to actually your I

the like what the you growth is it tag-ins income that that? guess, rising which do lot or see wondering, what driving fee And So growth the in of a that back a percent of of is just saying. than rates, or half the of banks or I couple are is implies benefits growth, I'm year, loan underlying again, better

Terry Dolan

with effect we a more tailwind example, little year. do you think to associated rates basis, what into I year as kind play. on of an bit a should opposed again, come see this year of see the experienced interest full rising as revenue, Fee next kind Well, of a legacy we

the that So are timing then cost I just synergies get into able And of coming play. to of being on I those think expense think side. kind that

Andy Cecere

mid were that from mathematically, see just as add, Yeah. the And going it's a you And XXX maybe to in end number bit the high XXX earning that asset range probably or versus net there That's the XXX you it's to little right. talking the growth one. low I'd quarters. of about up of towards in going a early then you're margin end XXX. And it, interest to and

Chris Kotowski

same Yeah. analysis do at if side, on you're the non-interest Well, the interesting because high I expense it's that. of the end

year. the growth implies of of earnings nice through in pre-provision the it So kind course

So anyway, but – that's for it me.

Andy Cecere

All right.

Terry Dolan

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Securities. our will with And queue come last question Fargo Wells in Mayo Mike from

Andy Cecere

Hey, Mike.

Mike Mayo

going today? it AOCI, I'm where here, as to it of is now just $XX was remember And – billion? billion, it's $X

Terry Dolan

is overall year come down $XX to AOCI the from and billion at end the of expect at it there.

Andy Cecere

lower a At level today, Mike.

Mike Mayo

that are Can give just the payoffs color Thanks. both more drag you the but where on X then, or like this payback? year multi-years. side stock, at But the rough spending And leverage bit? your last leverage. spending not you've the from the you most you out been and less Andy, just and and XX that, now cycle briefly, said more. and little you you that us And less addressed Because you're maybe of the It's that when on you you've comments in it investment where and sounds a or look is it and in crossing a years is you invested operating side in the pull and today? expect back December the operating based a you X, payback on lens been you're comment coming December made can line reiterated

Andy Cecere

Mike. Thanks, Yes.

I think fair representation. that's a

levels our couple million that $X.X grew – from were the last CapEx billion. about – run And the pure years. we has to billion, rate So to $X.X $XXX on growth for $XXX spend in been million of

expect not to expense to would CapEx. you So related continued see increase additional

defensive to Importantly, also spend XX% migrated offensive. we that XX% about from

services So capabilities, products like is reaching and customers, forth. the on so and digital activities spend

a with that is giving level on that through to plus expense set we're all the all the what's the investments a projecting you. coming side. revenue why return base, So is the numbers overlaying that Union right we're from so side on customer a Bank on now, of That, coupled

Mike Mayo

you. Thank Okay.

Andy Cecere

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

we'll do Please ahead. We And to with McDonald have go one more go Research. Autonomous for John time question.

Andy Cecere

Good morning, John.

John McDonald

Good morning, guys. Hey.

Just quick a couple of follow-ups.

rate here, So would the bit up repositioning of leave you the where in How it describe little interest balance you asset-sensitive, positioning? a Terry, ending where neutral, and merger fairly does now? terms sheet you're

Terry Dolan

basis of about up would asset we I on, neutral. say XX sort in probably points that, a of Bank sensitivity environment. US it Bank XX When add Yeah. fairly legacy is shock Union adds

John McDonald

quick. year, on you Bancorp. Maybe the income some on then puts on year the fee income, What those said are the real this you fees Okay. legacy just front? fee some grow fee helpers takes income? that What more are on can and And this helpers U.S. tailwinds

Terry Dolan

Well, components, of you kind if payments continues I at just the revenue look strong. reasonably different think the to Yes. be

I of expectation the is starts XXXX because terms comes think the that we investment of But implemented a May. back bit deposit market dissipate. changes we pricing some That in to a income. in little service in charges, saw drag

of of So, the think probably especially it combination has on revenue. biggest a mortgage drag, basis. ones be been significant That will is I just one kind a a year-over-year banking things. pretty But of

that into that started be see we go quarter, little would in bit linked-quarter actually expect to we to the as up, inflection stronger fourth we point revenue a with And come XXXX. starting and

John McDonald

clarification. the last it. Okay, then got And

this the you'd said went even year. you if reserves, X.X% ratio X%, on And be think good for X.X%, I pretty looks okay? unemployment to

Terry Dolan

a of part through our kind already unemployment lot and process. average of go We into process. think weighted scenarios consideration different incorporated that into is we we as Again, of X.X% downside that and take Yes. X%, reserving

how going ends all. but if at So, is what happening, all severe it economic up the one -- again, upon depend recession is, there is to

there's parts. think lot of I moving just a So,

John McDonald

it. you. Got Thank

Operator

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U.S. Bancorp. (USB) 25 Jan 232022 Q4 Earnings call transcript