Packaging Corporation of America (PKG) 24 Oct 192019 Q3 Earnings call transcript

Company Profile

Participants

Mark Kowlzan	Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Tom Hassfurther	Executive Vice President
Bob Mundy	Chief Financial Officer
Chip Dillon	Vertical Research
Brian Maguire	Goldman Sachs
George Staphos	Bank of America Securities
Mark Wilde	Bank of Montreal
Mark Connelly	Stephens
Gabe Hajde	Wells Fargo
Randy Toth	Citigroup
Mark Weintraub	Seaport Global
Steve Chercover	D.A. Davidson
Adam Josephson	KeyBanc

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Operator

Thank you for joining Packaging Corporation of America's Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Results Conference Call.

Your host today will be Mark Kowlzan, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of PCA. [Operator Instructions]

I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Kowlzan, and please proceed when you're ready.

Mark Kowlzan

morning. Good for release Corporation conference you quarter America's in earnings XXXX call. participating thank of Packaging third And I'm Mark Hassfurther, Kowlzan, Bob with who me Chairman the Mundy, and CEO the runs Officer. today of our call Chief is business Tom packaging Executive Financial President on Vice and PCA and

things overview which call who and over quarter to up and our Bob results I'll turn and to I'll begin questions. of to call the then more the After details. provide wrap with an glad any be third I'm going would Tom take

$XXX reported or $X.XX we third items Yesterday quarter of net share per included expenses. income of which million share, special $X.XX per

Excluding $X.XX million net quarter the income XXXX net per per third of the was XXXX $XXX million third share. or income special or $XXX share items quarter $X.XX compared to

were $XXX company Total the Third billion quarter EBITDA special in quarter, in net million items million XXXX third for sales and in $XXX XXXX. excluding XXXX XXXX. was X.X the and

earnings segment special lower prices per of and by in and third primarily Excluding the packaging items third driven the mix paper XXXX lower per quarter of in below share the volume our share $X.XX in was of segment quarter $X.XX $X.XX. $X.XX of $X.XX volume XXXX

expenses, lower partially operating of our higher logistics richer freight the annual outage by and to and higher repair other $X.XX, higher paper lower well of A expenses offset and segment box have in as our costs mix These $X.XX contributed and and prices $X.XX. $X.XX converting as plans higher expenses were items we of labor and expenses mix $X.XX. and of

$XXX of of of sales million, billion with in billion of excluding of last third million Looking margin at special in $XXX and sales items $X.X the the margin. or versus EBITDA of a XXXX XX% resulted year's X.X quarter XX% EBITDA business, packaging

and across system. export operated footprint freight balance board container our supply demand, and domestic board in logistics cost to while continue to an our the manner costs with as container we current optimizing efficient mills minimize Our effective and

We XX,XXX previous finished XX,XXX with below tones the below year, and quarter quarter. inventory the last tones

our leading our box the to shipment supplying we establish records. plants integration industry rate new addition, board container In maintain necessary with by

to I'll turn more and board provide over corrugated it the Tom business. details who'll now sales on our container

Tom Hassfurther

Thanks Mark.

As we new our Container as Mark by day for quarter. due third of the box well quarter to Sacramento per to third year's indicated sheet of plants shipments, compared as incurred total corrugated which integrated. at of large products another establish In records both up spite business the loss shipments purchase X.X% last significant customers were quarterly two

increased of the about container and Domestic sales quarter our tones below third container prices $X.XX supplied board third products of and board quarter below XXXX export second mix XXXX. quarter our $X.XX needs the box per board we domestic demand together the Outside of down XX,XXX compared plants. to and was and as were system share corrugated volume per ran of share current year's to last container and

would the quarter the of compared $X.XX down prices share in of index share the majority down impact in As to price to per the we have from quarter the compared decreases board per XXXX were the be quarter mentioned third early year container Export previously, third XXXX. $X.XX and published results. our reflected of second

I'll to mark. back Now it turn

Mark Kowlzan

Tom. you, Thank

margin. compared the paper quarter margin. EBITDA to with in This segment, special or EBITDA million was and XXXX million $XXX the was excluding third at or items of million third $XX XX of XXX million sales Looking sales XX% of quarter XX%

during and mix the the converting XXXX. quarter quarter size above average as second about paper The the volumes higher were of cup and levels stronger third above volumes last seasonally slightly year. quarter Our were price well than and printing for X% as our

However, our volume white the a paper by which of third quarter than our second the exit due was average below were the papers of from indicated to XXXX, below and and Wallula revenue year's was less overall X.X% prices. business mill. decline segment Obviously, quarter last about published mix price at industry index the

continuing to profitability capital the improve people business our continue in Wallula segment and in rather and by this at it. having to resources We margins part paper exited allocate than to

to I'll Bob. it over turn now

Bob Mundy

expenditures income with Thanks capital cash million. $XXX the cash XXX had flow during the and dividends million XX $X are free of included of net We provided Mark. of operations good in generation million. million $XX cash totaled common of We quarter by $XXX payments pension stock of The quarter with $XX tax very million XX of million, quarter cash the interest third cash on ended uses payments primary state million, payments, and federal hand. and in million

moving reflects share planned per our the impact the is previous a for which Finally, to annual $X.XX fourth maintenance our of expense fourth. guidance, the unchanged third from negative from quarter

now turn it over I'll to Mark. back

Mark Kowlzan

Thanks Bob.

packaging should of to in as mills, quarter demand Container container shipments we slightly the ahead our segment, fourth be at into for third the some in Looking scheduled with year reduce to first early lower. move board year. our board volume outages continue towards end sales significantly one the work run as product prior will and XXXX building our production be largest maintenance next corrugated less the which lower to three will inventory from quarter preparation we shipping day

export system lower through slightly published domestic and of year, prices the the lower impact container remaining from decreases expect We price work more this prices. as our earlier

We compared period and the the Northwest in as well business in as also as to corrugated produce mix high the during less the quarter the a products business graphics off display third Pacific normally for rich falls quarter. the end seasonally expect holiday

during certain to include box as approximately and operating quarter. per These expected papers our seasonally With higher slightly of to other with plant expect higher energy are the Richland, converting be with this along share average costs we prices. weather, costs $X.XX In anticipated lower be well. will lower new volumes associated segment and startup colder costs higher our be Washington

maintenance as outage mentioned, $X.XX be Considering expect higher of these share. earnings third quarter. items, than Finally, the we scheduled should per fourth Bob quarter costs

Happy the any based on estimates, current some and of statements. as the uncertainties statements from differ file we've risk but those the and you those with I and materially including report in projections the results risks forward looking economy to in these company entertain form on factors are XX-K could direction must on and expressed call of statements. made annual our remind statements SEC. Actual that involve constitute identified the of on do forward questions, inherent looking These expectations the

And with the questions please. call that Vetenia [ph], can we please open for

Operator

with Instructions] the Vertical [Operator Your of Chip Research. line from question Dillon first comes

Chip Dillon

Can morning. hear Good you me?

Mark Kowlzan

ahead, Chip. Go

Chip Dillon

you very thank much. Yes,

Mark Kowlzan

you're Chip, out. cutting

Operator

as with seems Mr. of Goldman line Sachs. from line It may the question comes Brian Dillon's have Maguire if And disconnected. your next

Brian Maguire

morning guys. good Hey,

Mark Kowlzan

Brian. morning, Good

Brian Maguire

some rich obviously. made seasonality and just around one fourth you Mark fewer the shipping mix comments the day into the less – quarter

impact Just changes season how discussion quarter that? what wondering volume, related shipments SIOC fourth to you've so October of early and could ecommerce you the in thoughts lot seen about any the a on in far and holiday those might that the of early just on that on and Frustration-Free comment if packaging comments, Amazon, any thoughts some sort of on

Mark Kowlzan

and color. go don't you him why Tom that get ahead Yeah,

Tom Hassfurther

starting ago, a we're we're through a October XX of October. off so out in good Brian, days X% year Yeah, ahead to start

a mentioned I market and years. of ecommerce certainly ecommerce, over totally past will Regarding a comparing as the strong matured ecommerce the mature quarter. fourth think and not it's now have ecommerce Again, but you're previously, has yet, it total with has

an expect uptick, growing the degree digit was was infancy in when double rates. it it its was we not So it to but and at

point time. minimal SIOC think at impact are I in Frustration-Free this and having

to it'll especially our think strengths. continue we piece it's SIOC PCA's And transportation play I for well starting as think required I based, into based, previously, performance, so that that be more I strengths as well, very very for where design develop said those to the Amazon, much year specifically. next plays

Brian Maguire

great. Okay,

maybe to board the to a looking maybe preference new how call, Just now index, you're about for it's rolled were environmental down think of last one, one to the mix for lower that broadening asked customers that just might I just different one recycles that little already bit on I create having recycling sustainability thoughts Any highlight a last this recycle maybe a packaging, general is for reasons, react or market. bit me, quality little out. mere into the on know customers the you recycle paper. than it's just

maybe you're could what new like impact But more have? a this anything think So immune just it. you index thinking to that if overall, do little bit

Tom Hassfurther

on Well, has Brian, had index us. virtually this effect is again. Tom no The

lot a As based, different not of product. market mentioned things a the to previously, of we other there's performance not very sell that It's open availability. it's the not plus lot a it's

So reasons I it's no are had impact. think that why of lot there a virtually

Brian Maguire

thanks Okay, very much.

Mark Kowlzan

thank right, you. All

question, Next please.

Operator

next the of comes Vertical. Your with question Chip from Dillon line

Chip Dillon

good Hi, difficulties. about technical morning. sorry Yes. the Again,

Mark Kowlzan

Go ahead, Chip.

Chip Dillon

quarter-by-quarter Yeah, first looks like it maintenance what again, year, is versus question how year? next on look it does this the

Bob Mundy

talk on next guidance. the next Yeah, Chip. about That's something we regarding year's will call,

Chip Dillon

Okay.

end – Okay. end sorry, quarter gave second all from debt debt the you level. that And then year level Did the I don't at I'm quarter? change us if a know

Bob Mundy

that down was X.X in leverage times. net X.X is above were sort X.X debt we billion. And between Yeah, a bit – of our and

Chip Dillon

did got you. debt Which means not gross the change,

Bob Mundy

Gross debt change. did not

Chip Dillon

like then just think getting people there the a third question in export because over at markets, close Europe. some if had of quickly seeing lot where to down you by what a the gain those least out in might point in in downtime was even in it And Okay, not is it you continuing whole a maybe terms October, And looks and seems they you're take little I to that's these another markets? do helpful. that could there's supply at about bit to very leg are least like just talk – seen we've markets some

Tom Hassfurther

price Tom, is the getting I'll the recently, we down the take think think given I very did reaction, Chip, just we're markets. question trickle another Yeah, that one. regarding here on to but near bottom, or this marketplace I in this that see last at export

your I pretty is close. thesis So think

Chip Dillon

thank you. Okay,

Mark Kowlzan

Thank you.

Next question, please.

Operator

from Securities. Your Bank with America next question of George comes line of Staphos the

George Staphos

looking very being in what Mark, the not factors, key year-on-your perhaps just to performance you any a Good pay earnings wanted in get bridge I were just for. meant what was better could of the terms much. in if which parse dollar, lot a there performance, buckets the than the per terms of we the the other Hi, morning. paper and little everyone. perhaps segment? to enough Thanks – at in

Mark Kowlzan

has are then just that a marketplace and operationally performance with again, lot we do to with it where Well, the of of overall the just in business.

six the And last to the forget, place nothing out of of exiting up the is that over and and I the we said business particular in Wallula again and logistics take strong that this lapping in brings structure value talked legacy of the years for volumes pleased one that before, worked the where suits As and again we very years Boise of the capability again, capability in year-over-year a cost don't logistic then the so the –finally proposition very business. hard different. that We're in us. about has good with the just to been that that with pleased equation business we're very with held business cost completely exiting entire sales helped

George Staphos

to basis give where by the far moved off percentage, points want on just that are for Congratulations effect? integration you if calculations. comment points probably integration performance quarter. a right vertical couple to you integration from In And now? Could you'd optimally? vertical at XXX, you a packaging, the prefer is would Could like you be to how Okay. basis in in XXX to get not mean, our you up there. Vertical I comment where

Mark Kowlzan

new me We're, it currently box talking start year. you way. We're the been up know, as this in plant. answer Richland Let getting the this low we've to XXs we're ready

but the to as we we mid-XXs, on expect years we're starting see. curve of the the numbers, where looking specific marketplace a year, were how the want next we at things. holds unfolds that's give next ramps year. that be approach I at ago, as the would world, are couple up looking don't year up to If fully we any into As to

George Staphos

and Okay, over. me, for I I'll Last Mark. turn appreciate one it that

ecommerce as perhaps, at to at Obviously, you been Richland which more from the remains as obviously, improve in What that now to standpoint, side have you look do are you As profile had in can you and years the the year stronger improve that are the extent to Thank But full that in of performance to in do one of would first what hasn't a a there the channel, it things doing. key good, in like of the things that as comment is XXXX, extent can And business of you, years of comment half. a doing right maybe guys. least converting the quarter. in PKG you XXXX, or been other – you're aren't converting the are particular Good coming environment? a printing are of through to ahead. demand growth earnings initiatives other strong the doing continued there? in you on a luck what terms the terms relative that

Mark Kowlzan

take we're to look that with earlier to finish board, continuing let I'm out. completed to We that year at But going the off the projects Yeah, to and going then I'm DeRidder Wallula. opportunities across up. costs mentioned big at this Tom start and

we've the to go we're companywide able into and On deploying the and engineering to opportunities see allowing now new observe technical also and the some with. And we're conversions, resources us that's converting taken that operations. them forward corrugating

will to want with hiring volume the of operations. the to and in have. the plant new the overall into we side engineers cost add that place addition, effort will box of business engineers it? you to Tom, begin opportunities drive In to do But annual continue

Tom Hassfurther

at demand where robust. that things approach investments, will times a as our okay, we're can incredibly we bit I ramp hasn't know, And some is up be are position doing them, And not of investments that, to This significant demand that does George, business it's go up, because one to and We're making period. been all pretty been for – higher there be would Yeah, make the long-term periods. time And we add haul. when ramp just as absorb that. we're business. you some take through slow growth does but good to It's there's capital a the us little able we doing a long robust.

example a in in of where runway built thing some box So tones the we plants. the doing and is machine WX terms the we're of some that of good same

George Staphos

I Thank thanks. you, Tom. Okay, turn will over.

Mark Kowlzan

Thank you.

please. question, Next

Operator

Montreal. Your next question with line Mark Bank the of from comes of Wilde be

Mark Wilde

Tom, morning, Mark, Bob. Good

Mark Kowlzan

Good morning.

Tom Hassfurther

morning. Good

Mark Wilde

I What been back you've to few running Mark, and about a on could the on just the to wondered just more kind elements been just there? you strategies of if reason most off, what production thoughts share quarters start talking the demand. really have demand key are and effective throttling for running

Mark Kowlzan

Again, but think nimble a work requirements as with is time it. or mill the to that dictates, is for dictated paid that demand flow to service if the supply as same in we quarter system the us through of truly board customer us of given gives market, down that advantage being inventories. been to rebalance year-over-year quarter without being Wallula shutting more second much real we're more in we And inventory we've market a truly now us our we able back at taking how third lot about adjust the it's the how ability container down in coverage whole in time, you to the at throttle now and XX,XXX able by ability manage inventory tones XX,XXX have down been quarter, now, the machines that system tones, we're that confidence and nationwide and the off we've again capability and

Mark Wilde

of machines mixed it recycled Tom running want are like Okay, for cost of you what and It it bit could zero advantage in to can't portion from. board. a puts lot a with about high waste takes and product I using a a some that's definitely is mixed waste What it wondered board a waste use a to of that somewhere container mills good and or and mixed of new number you if this new involve? being the little just with the now and for? really talk seems would and turn the then I container right growth near

Mark Kowlzan

mixed you you're fiber furnishes. the of VOK. anywhere point traditionally, significantly again, is or performance from generally near much speaking, level or fiber Also, quality overall are characteristics a getting again, would sorted what OCC than the unless Well waste container not with expect strength contaminant more worse is craft office but paper, view the traditional lower

but use of so use mixed in And cannot it's that, very applications. you limited some waste. that And not we again it's don't

Mark Wilde

Brian's would going bored you of – is kind or the that to that just three in more to mix interesting over content it the Okay, recycled five question, to say including next is back be years. something

Mark Kowlzan

projects will a project we've most a have terms expensive fact, just before of recycled year mill of will at the provide was and the had word year. in the fiber built to board a system. day XXXX by fiber fiber matter that It's the plant and all be the at times, online of to ton ultimate one flexibility As for our approved many it OCC – used in Wallula the this Wallula August OCC the plan as is where level mill next new have of we end hope we necessary the at the starting

the on the of So of we're machines. of and take advantage going to the availability take advantage OCC it

want that to And opportunities? so to – you about the Tom, add do

Tom Hassfurther

it Virgin. everybody recycled. and but that, our understands your get order to has asking in And Well, to there, this to with education customers for knows they question I'll that Mark. have, system run the that. just closed of Everybody XXX% that do, Occasionally that answer understand once the last is part we start loop they

we does for saying box more understand that anymore OCC, performance More system fast of delivers it and I loop. much That think all have the and wouldn't have have XXX%. performs at them a closed for and based if way. over than they're said that period time. how a they them of to very a to customers cost degradates effective sensitive and what so I material So

down that's essentially an line regarding muted, project, So as again recycled more we're somewhat are at that little looking on least, of we I where board A this that is reduction. why and cost out think and that by discussion to to if our for in and supply PCA. at project next opportunity that's whole latter go expect we've again, we so to that sources have you the that And identified coast region, Mountain whole the of the inner part the region Online year.

Mark Wilde

thanks, Okay, Mark. Thanks, Tom.

Mark Kowlzan

question, Next please.

Operator

Your next question from Stephens. of with Mark comes Connolly the line

Mark Connelly

great has mix Thanks. unusually Mark, so having going of markets the that stayed Wallula of And an expectations wide even that your far that without as efficiency see. mix change you're usually hit within the you've Has there? said range mix is gotten that we producing the to Richland softer? business

Mark Kowlzan

No, it's worked quite out well.

be weight, been all performance to years grades. on performance the the to doing high had And way we grades, lighter high As we've planned the produce had in ago, that the mill, Wallula down year. weight, two successful heavier order to all

terms And to And able performance the its take on, performance. with so quality. pleased very advantage heavyweight, full the the comes high capacity. the machine that been with capacity. we're we'll we of of the to the be to But up if have full obviously of lightweight in flexibility running not very We're pleased down remaining mill Richland high

Northwest the Coast to provide flexibility So West and us need. with it we the the gives board all Pacific ultimate

Mark Connelly

And question. That's just more one great.

importance diversified? markets You've export has has grown partners, strategic of talked system and but export changed about your your as that importance of strategic the

Mark Kowlzan

customer that? to years, Well, countries. had plus we've want world, plus around different mind you probably this again, XX XX to Tom, in XX, add legacy, keep the business years XX probably that

Tom Hassfurther

a just Yeah, The long from are into are long, There they I The go fit. strategic of with but have things fit. it term strategic. the good equation, say Mark time. a customers the remained still very very been good a would seasonality standpoint that long that lot of are these is remain us grades

Mark Connelly

you Super, very much. thank

Mark Kowlzan

Thank you, question. next

Operator

of line the from Fargo. with Wells Hajde comes Gabe question next Your

Gabe Hajde

Good morning, Mark, Bob. Tom,

Mark Kowlzan

Good morning Gabe.

Gabe Hajde

comment some a about for next year. plans Mark, outage you made

to going sort for quantify tilt. contrast guess, is, So the end. And to a in Coming tones like hear taken little schedule you XXXX? that sounds maybe, was from production XXXX nature projects what bit. 'XX do in full And take pretty back time but just as to the seemed your lost trying you're XXXX, a such throttled bit into guys impression industry that to you so that mills a that. XXXX? you maintenance that Can that expecting occurred you maintenance other question I'm I like run of harder, And the was any things of guys comment again could my really, in little the it around had the were running little that XXXX, some have a heavy extra here understand

Mark Kowlzan

of of we system capability. and and the to with take to side No, annual truly we're in planned down to of again, board we any the our demand. able six allowed all with demand, capability didn't much the any the to year work. then, extra to mill being continue do to And supply really will has That that taking normal advantage inordinate level a levels more container run said, outages. demands that inventory our this run Wallula downtime comfortable capability We executed us our truly to move business now

Gabe Hajde

to but Thank conversations looking just guess folks – you. a to guess, suppliers. when side? how trying specific, dialogue obviously our efficiency in into much customer things efficiencies it that I anything a little the are converting a side. the dial slow bit I more bit from not or going of then mean, a little things understand costs maybe cost going But get I folks when their start more And to around as on now Is they're a trying here, I bit are down for say or little guess conversation things are well, on should don't slower. I

Mark Kowlzan

value activity. again, our specific imagine, proposition talk for you provide that just tremendous our And value customer part ways. about is proposition customers of many can We we in our don't only generally

Gabe Hajde

Thank you.

Mark Kowlzan

Next question, please.

Operator

of comes Citigroup. with from next line Anthony Your Pettinari question the

Randy Toth

Good morning, for fitting guys. in This is Anthony. actually Randy Toth

Mark Kowlzan

morning Good Randy.

Randy Toth

morning. Good

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Mark Kowlzan

again, give January, a without we'll Well, answering have better assessment in we January the you when that call.

Just keep in mind see that we will of be able as opportunities to take we advantage fit.

answer good And the way to opportunities so so have that just we have we hand, the in in rather we the we opportunities, execute on as we're regard. whatever deem that a ability, that true and place have cash resources

Randy Toth

that's it I Okay, a angle. at guess, from coming different fair.

we organizations internal system quarters say other the second couple Are still inning you've is or would to Wisconsin, been chunk you of your expect? now your looking what for of and projects using improve at box a in? is first you or process a that been You've it. in plant least that decent What technology a Richland at inning is

Mark Kowlzan

minute first the the inning. in It's first or

Randy Toth

fair. that's Okay,

Mark Kowlzan

over we side of mean build did we much mills our years way out continue XX ago. opportunity same years and Which the the tremendous have in our future that runway opportunity to to

Randy Toth

performance has somewhere been I just the Wallula. XX% gears at think know around fiber very helpful. And mix to just your the that? switching could In quickly, you? you that maintaining customers opinion, plant new that still your about think understood, a announced OCC then that's Historically, natural where go recycled while is just XX%. your Understood, Or I to expect you there how limit from

Mark Kowlzan

do at any ramp are But again down that as move system. plans our container mill years. given mill, don't within significantly We to over current have the and but to we the that have there flexibility legacy we up any board call limits

with Wallula remaining utilization again, utilization. in terms the of remain will been of OCC project, the they've mills range So VOK in the legacy the exception same

Randy Toth

but all over. Okay, Thank you, it turn that's guys. I'll

Mark Kowlzan

you, question. thank next Okay,

Operator

Seaport Weintraub the from question comes Global. next Mark of with Your line

Mark Weintraub

you. Thank

on First X%. side, close how you running. were ended box you to is just the In demand that's up the suggested October quarter

I drag. think about that related that business X.X% the also Sacramento a loss you was previously indicated

an X.X% it? So is you once at – to kind it the a fair in growing type a to look lap be fair of to where you environment way rate? Sacramento you're business at that Is might that about say expect

Mark Kowlzan

can Obviously, I'm let is as next some mentioned year. start the Well, much saying in again, that color. going And, laps and what to not on I'm better wit speculate volume to of me the you Tom going you place. give do just keyword we're a will you we a year I so and like depends year anything? on exited on speculate Tom that period that the businesses be metric. the coming demand on next December up so it. it's into looks want again, different to what But can't it all add and

Tom Hassfurther

I've got here. else to add nothing

Mark Weintraub

when that's that kind mentioned? on specific an that what more color from that we and a you provide Packaging related – industry something developing take about to SIOC away conversation, comment I that a any to was comment, said Corp comment? and specific – Was you're mentioned, Packaging the Corp when Bob, can then for if Amazon, supposed you you And just were of

Bob Mundy

would help would to develop say that what the and Mark SIOC is on meet we Amazon that I say I Amazon help the define are that team help is on has. what and and that work objectives help

and our Amazon actively customers So and involved as some program. developing that with both well SIOC prospects direct we're with as

I'm well. And, as comment So PCA. this initiative industry obviously, an a regarding is making

Mark Weintraub

for months year to guess about on to running first in out quarter, update you're probably this to nine had to come fourth I the spending, you're for just than me lot of what previously XXX. then anticipated. going And great. capital it Any what come unless lighter going is seems in money a XXXX it's the Okay, whole to likely your at? I spend CapEx

Mark Kowlzan

a called through over came July how Wallula little reassess be XXX projects we're gears. summer That's period, million would observation. about. good call and basically We the we Mark Yeah, the says to the in opportunities probably shifted able some

so out capital, gears tradition calling think pull going we opportunities. right the summertime of do of the what And lighter XXX, reevaluating it we're so over somewhere that And a again, like opportunities not ability be of period that, to to the were opportunity I but estimate, us thing opportunities we're but again, looked back for But dollars? have what the than that shifting it's us. that some PCA's original back our below in was worth and with to reassess the best these gave the on some step probably to what's on

And so we, we around. shifted some things

timing issue. it's a So just

Mark Weintraub

the expect that spend options into that you maybe is obviously is it that more bit can't but we'd consideration next other to year color? to there that play are under flow can So or it that or speak a I potentially can where Are – into it? were think alternative third unlikely, flow if were it's I go us forward the you less help be generation on give but with? cash you confident a and flows, your on would guess Or you if basis any necessarily, cash your well

Mark Kowlzan

capital Wallula the being yard big projects Board in you being giving a mill, project. and at two the the without August OCC other exact number. wood The one Well, approved project new

projects spend two a of into some not these good will although spend, next projects. Wallula, on start roll portion over it the all big will XXXX. next are but year, of of year two that so But return And it those high at

up we've been take with. move are all doing project we we're the somewhere sure we're these again, are these within executions. what we projects but and to and control do we of are engineering; we is managing we a that that range the the ourselves projects doing making capital that maintaining Part of that the and reserve comfortable of we're be able right down, So to that

And so optimum us that return. gives the

Mark Weintraub

Okay, so much. thanks

Mark Kowlzan

please. Okay, question, next

Operator

Chercover the Your next question of comes Steve D.A. line Davidson. with from

Steve Chercover

everyone. Thanks. morning, Good

Mark Kowlzan

morning. Good

Steve Chercover

end is were of the changed Until guys voracious of your has perspective? perhaps since kind XXXX But acquires of converting and philosophically? you I'm it pretty capacity. you've off valuation Or the taken the wondering gas, foot just anything Sacramento,

Mark Kowlzan

Part opportunity. it's that And then can on Tom that paying what and you're Let the for that. me exist comment that. to add of opportunities

Tom? to. the pretty those So opportunities in again, we particular be we would judicious we're and attracted pretty how about opportunities evaluate

Tom Hassfurther

add incredibly a opportunities just market our less as the disciplined just shrunk The especially we've specific the so very are been been a as has – that dramatically. strategy. it's been acquisition today independent – would approach. in I It's

opportunities just that found few We that makes for. we there? our that we're looking any absolutely that think a every Yes, there fit – are explore So sense. criteria out haven't we fit opportunity

So it's say. our opportunity those part still forward and I every the look best on. a explore to of very and important we'll we'll move and sense can make strategy that That's continue

Steve Chercover

and the growing an follow I not ecommerce which Okay, guess people thanks. just overall fast And is a interesting quick But packaging, is and try on on as SIOC still development. diminish as craft you maybe poaches of have seen plastic towards migration benefits that's of reemerge sacks? capabilities kind any friendly any or I think don't Do very all. guys paper craft you at or environmentally and do foresee we've

Tom Hassfurther

and receive cases, other and And sells saying many we plastic lot that program with We're thing. through anything SIOC all a package. in the understanding out in plastics, about consumers sack And not their ecommerce environment. products of time that opportunities manufactures they're everybody talk some the the corrugated same the we've virtually in obviously the of all are consumers discussion container of regard pouches what retail and are away ecommerce, as moving plastic result from plastic in craft form to that to there's of But is the taking primary about of either coming got even that Amazon there ecommerce in about or really but a a many don't business. the want And today. form who of does environment lot a of think is I to some

is and corrugated industry your are I ecommerce. the So think forward in for opportunities potential opportunity this regarding think correct premise going there I

Steve Chercover

for thanks questions. my Great, taking

Mark Kowlzan

Thank you, next question.

Operator

Your next Adam the Josephson question line comes from of Adam KeyBanc. with

Adam Josephson

Good end the trend the last morning. Thanks, quarter. it. appreciate of toward And a Tom, in my about for is – starting the I questions. the you and it question same. like the in strong call respond commented much quite to then quarter out seemed everyone XQ the slowing taking of

however Europe past first to patterns? full XQ couple quarter Can along the you to July these why X.X% similar said he under what over weeks those you think for And expect you're think little in do seen you saying you've just be many I and Europe in the reiterate X%. the lines? quarters a

Tom Hassfurther

what's as trend our close quarter, customers XX,XXX and of It's our customers. is to customers are in Adam, the you everything you that I happen But robust, the inventories replenish it's perhaps they quarter, the think And our them to managing the such are check plus they down so because exactly And extent. cash, their the inventory think with going very it's the are if not quarter economy the know I is west. quite they unpredictable. in to impossible the inventories, low their their beginning running will. predict end because keeping to that of some – by

so Thanksgiving terms thing occur Christmas. little the pretty happen of holidays to and I predictable Well, quarter the it's other things fourth quarter? a the And that – do and the same is all more expect into in starting fourth in rolling

I if at but the solid. would I this will stayed surprised So level, pretty be be level fourth still think the quarter

Adam Josephson

And third be of end? see thing the did to same clear on the quarter, very slow the toward trend you did sort just that

Tom Hassfurther

down Yes, the Yes. it slowed somewhat end. towards

Adam Josephson

of you give to $X.XX of volume, for then one roughly costs? Bob on and what lower you're the each overall, mentioned bridge I be Tom. $X.XX Can you that And of lower guiding Can XQ, those Okay, you XX. and a mix, thanks you sense weaker so maintenance factors, would other drag just higher leaves to those – about a know expect obviously the each talk us just rough be? prices,

Bob Mundy

those those that have the obviously, numbers for we are, pointed never specific those different categories are buckets. we out. and given Well, But

comments have with for to So just go our now.

Adam Josephson

call, maintenance think I said will quarter. XQ then a it? what right you talk the and the about about Okay, on like heavy quarter. that Is way particularly think you'll next sounds It to maintenance will be by be

Bob Mundy

do we our release, in our outages earnings Well, in I as think – in annual I'll with containable quarter. first the we mills just that said our have say we have our largest three

that work So to lot of a on then. going does point

Adam Josephson

Thank Yeah. you.

Mark Kowlzan

Thank you.

question, please. Next

Operator

Your Vertical. line Instructions] question of from with comes next Dillon Chip the [Operator

Chip Dillon

up. I to straight. want follow I my have make just taking this for sure thanks Hey,

in recycle Utah. OCC recycle state. the presence much of that are mill all box new would money raise your plants I and Would for a Wallula at the there's have they I Wallula know the in think you Utah need capability trying board needs for all recycle you putting some another take to it in that most in a mill all if box organization converting to pretty and have You care build

Mark Kowlzan

we at come of to Pacific the the ongoing Chip, with were Yeah, where discussions feel as some in opportunities Coast, cases, locked supply Region we so from Intermountain and, the we opportunity, this project got confident all again, and analyzing looked way from. have the up all supply we've our in will

again very year. we're ahead, executed and confident project So we're next for is the pushing this speed and with full getting ongoing

Chip Dillon

performance obviously, we in best go in and about and you've super of in then no quarter deal the about there six anything decent sort good I best factor believe in had the million and $XX price this performance ago. or think Okay, and we paper quickly one, your baseline one just as here? one the think years was And business Boise it to from a just whether we is third asked also, was factor and the quarter ahead of is since was white I volumes maintenance, unusual

Mark Kowlzan

it's us. did there great Well, to two this a, a the in mill Jackson this going and got a it third we've nationwide just business year. capability. I an mills use for part there. of the mill the But the volume word tiny It's Falls it's was and I'm have was little distribution quarter again, the keep again, is not in – outage mind seasonal And we

very So capability logistics the customer valuable good that a to we've base. very And proposition. is got

you point understand and have us. a this of you'll anything? cost want but and net At some Bob, that good big puts if scheduled remains next for will can to quarter, so during have for we time you say it impacts outages business outage takes year. And net in these

Bob Mundy

outstanding job. many agree. costs an do – to I – think the outstanding like just to an managing continue No, and continues cost into it Chip that. cost fixed and just opposed costs as possible type as It's continue I to things turning it's just do they of structure they – to variable as And job just the there's and just

Chip Dillon

up, of moving a market. leaving And the volumes, I actually lot competitor there's lot but removed lastly, and a imports mean, been on capacity the of pieces with one

the look something it demand hopefully step into you you do and should or XXXX. As be see different in or to just see that? than or anything, functions maybe XXXX Do side continue any you flattish slightly decline

Bob Mundy

demand with part is you if over time. yeah, read and a But what of information predict index Well, the continuing saying, dealing the now. obviously, trade better the we've market they decades that destruction for been few

So we manage ability just that that. have to

all demand. can really to that's say. the Our And run volume I market about will

to the the capability allows move and a with be have him. that we us to little again, it choose base – also ability We to within flex we bit the customer

Chip Dillon

very much. thank you Okay,

Bob Mundy

Okay.

Mark Kowlzan

question. Next

Operator

of next Montreal. Bank Mark Wilde line the with from of Your question comes

Mark Wilde

is you build cash cash Hey to billion around a the dollars of quarters? kind Mark, three continuing would at be comfortable next I wanted two come about to right balance, at now, the of least which just for quarters or three

Mark Kowlzan

with I'm where in not this right take about on comfortable July of that terms It is we've conservative cash we now this We'll right going remain of used some use – how still to in are utmost far times. cash. every we the We now. very talk dollar how uncertain optionality it's in prudent treat year the of too out. wasted. that on feel us not advantage sitting living cash. us of I hand call gives And for to very We're on we words being are said we

right years opportunities in create to us the tremendous have continue reserve to But gives shareholder over. it on that to allow value the done future for we the as And so many time we being.

Mark Wilde

you've Yeah, look, time. capital Mark, been allocators great over

plants. box think of obviously can mean, to need is It's just of I you a this position. couple buy a see that. curious. everybody more I than cash I'm kind big

types types things didn't Europe, Historically, in to of might want you can willing change of Mexico; to want in go be of you and go didn't been some any consider? to offshore, sense us give to So situations of you change sort want any you to positions. whether to what there's those go the didn't interesting you're said you

Mark Kowlzan

changes offshore. No of that in being position

around we and We year, next will continue what have us going in we're opportunity, uncertainty based Again, believe world based. happens election we to us year and so I no future. a matter gives have the are in tremendous lot American an the of be to into just cash American this

Mark Wilde

I'll record think the I your at it track speaks XX over. over Again, look years, pretty clearly. it fair. that's turn you last if Okay,

Mark Kowlzan

got Okay, for at least time question. I we've think one more

Operator

from next comes Your question of Gabe the line Fargo. with Hajde Wells

Gabe Hajde

you next try for follow make demand, some prepared release in up. the that? us running Is inventory about the maintenance away it I'll in there Thanks to comments, and build year. anything think to talked anticipation to brief. specific of trying In I taking to from take you but press also want

Mark Kowlzan

have whether happens have No, the what if But to in next you not again, we certain just that's build the and a a going which year we or take demand we're these next as world. outages assume we model, which assume, if is to year, outages look at and you're taking and country implication on down winter that the uncertainty what tons what first transportation. weather and to you quarter, to phenomena, also, the can dealing a with big the is do we're that throughout – the for

increased So and taking to the you're of you demand supply mills down. somewhat an certainly these have to have plants inventory box while the

comfortable that will we We're be end quarter number December so that January. just third So the we little of move not a output, bit that than we're end saying and number as go call from but some XQ. into to there's get up higher ended to the it more going and going much we're

Gabe Hajde

Good luck. Mark. Thank you,

Mark Kowlzan

more got we Again one you. question. time for thank Okay,

Operator

with the question from Your comes of George final of line Staphos America. Bank

George Staphos

Thanks I'll fitting everyone. me in. Hi, quick. be for

more perhaps quick converting any on, a Just maybe you're right are protocol, digital, you're printing, dimensional there customers working Mark question that and elements anything extent more for SIOC ecommerce projects, products important on sizing to the working the on I side, on given mean one Tom time, perhaps doing white to on trying large that you're weight on good in do to your customer further to then that whether line Thanks, could us the update quarter. relatedly you and a your house need there? share you or or if you you're capability guys, top And for luck what again as build in the views, any degree not? penetration on or

Mark Kowlzan

the white you that white take us could can pursuing to, would for rest we capability the to first top, not we produce the and and Currently top finish question of be so Tom? had then do we me Let Tom we have but question. if it's do that as not economical will expect.

Tom Hassfurther

George, what We of know, marketplace just say, so. explore the in think what's real just alternatives. the other we're continue planning do we we'll our solutions and are customers, to quick for on best about to into do details all go any ecom, than obviously, to explore what we you not to going best I'm

George Staphos

Okay, good thanks, Have a one. guys.

Mark Kowlzan

in and as like our fourth year thank look the thank give Vetenia you today Okay, up you. quarter full that January I'd rapport. nice us forward everybody with to talking to you and wraps and joining we'll for a day. call Have

Operator

conference your This does participation. for conclude today's Thank call. you

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