Packaging Corporation of America (PKG) 23 Oct 242024 Q3 Earnings call transcript

Company Profile

Participants

Mark Kowlzan	executive
Thomas Hassfurther	executive
Robert Mundy	executive
George Staphos	analyst
Michael Roxland	analyst
Gabe Hajde	analyst
Mark Weintraub	analyst
Philip Ng	analyst
Anthony Pettinari	analyst
Charlie Muir-Sands	analyst
Ryan Fox	analyst

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Operator

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining Packaging Corporation of America's Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Results Conference Call.

Your host will be Mark Kowlzan, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of PCA. Upon conclusion of his narrative, there will be a question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Kowlzan. you when proceed please are ready. Sir,

Mark Kowlzan

our Chairman Jamie. participating our business; in you, Earnings on Conference Mark the Mundy, Good with is and PCA. Third Vice morning, for you Release President, Kowlzan, Officer. I'm Again, Hassfurther, thank call and Call. CEO Packaging me packaging Financial Chief XXXX of And everyone, Quarter Thank and Tom Corporation Executive today America's of runs who Bob

of who'll per begin our I'll I'll I'll As income details. we'll the to questions $XXX and and over an overview be or And up, quarter call then net take third of million usual, later. Yesterday, turn to share. with results, Tom provide then call reported the we things quarter $X.XX glad and wrap Bob, further third

share. special compared net Excluding per of or $X.XX income third of net XXXX quarter per XXXX items, million million income was or $XXX quarter to $XXX third the share $X.XX

$X.X and and Third excluding press sales in EBITDA $XXX in release. quarter for items, the Details both third special $XXX in earnings of schedules $X.X Total our included XXXX XXXX. the XXXX. million quarter accompanied company was million were of billion special XXXX, quarter, in XXXX items and were for net billion in the third XXXX that

higher of $X.XX. and lower prices of and partially and in expenses $X.XX third $X.XX, Excluding Packaging prices scheduled quarter expense, expenses and expense special lower and the the by was XXXX The the above of depreciation Paper segment segments $X.XX quarter items, offset higher segment $X.XX and $X.XX converting and for mix were to of These outage the for $X.XX compared third in costs, XXXX, volume in other higher per our $X.XX Paper primarily for driven $X.XX; higher and our the share segment, Packaging and logistics $X.XX. and quarter increase in higher prices $X.XX and segment. to share, earnings volume were expenses, $X.XX third lower primarily items freight the higher Packaging mix, in guidance mix operating Paper per in volume by for results interest due $X.XX, lower

impressive the our production for target inventory this quarter scheduled hard quarter. and less of been corrugated EBITDA, capital margin. The we thought-out some work EBITDA our demand, shipments at quality mills margin and and we turn continued outage in with year. I'll do with we and and dedication the meet of the $XXX able the spending not the by program of while to plan our items million record lighter-than-average business. the to of of now $X.X sales Packaging were resulted a XX.X% strong a products XXXX, target sales, quarter the operational execution corrugated excluding all-time total $X production, employees the our DeRidder meeting and the the of corrugated in days With have the and to the with hope over will who further Tom, employees. Even details during shipping result $XXX customers special day versus Looking great billion million fourth capital customer by strategic benefits on first well third plans a without in billion, year's of last possible per spending to business. year, of sales it a our for X continued sales of long-term in would to XX.X% and plant made of the our new mill half with as schedule at needs not end plus quarterly containerboard shipments service, focus box deliver end provide and results, a reach adjustments records containerboard our service of setting of

Thomas Hassfurther

XXXX. prices the customers' to during and needs that results. on and segment share containerboard of of the that and X.X%. up resulted of even third of quarter continuous the Outside additional mix and get Domestic our XXXX. I'd our improved with in in drives quarter there and our regarding the Their our up flat of of shipments across corrugated efficiency, third came year's corrugated throughout The met second tons and day the service compared with our shipments day complacent. shipping per over and understand as $X.XX Mark less shipping relentless quarter strengthened X,XXX Prices third can ensuring like containerboard and mix a record-breaking managed quarter improvement improvements quarter per above industry-leading that X productivity up mentioned, of products were day up Versus shipments were areas was upon XX.X% They demand XX,XXX containerboard the X was XXXX in focus were as total XXXX last Mark. service corrugated customer our versus last ahead XXXX, X.X% always second day with quarter were well. expectations optimization very is third containerboard record-setting were performance. increases be as up record-breaking sales products implementation prices previously of to quarter fully to XX.X%. for the year's total price were per volume quality quarter, Packaging employees Thanks, of quarter above were tons and $X.XX up not and plants. performance mention Shipments quality, together to as are compared did announced per well second share for second and and and quarter products Export addition XXXX.

I'll Now it Mark. turn to back

Mark Kowlzan

Tom. Thanks,

of third EBITDA $XX segment. XXXX margin excluding sales $XXX EBITDA, million with compared $XX third Paper and quarter or $XXX was XX.X% our million items or special of the at million the margin. sales of Looking in quarter of XX.X% to million

Volume, was implemented of had average mix quarter especially X% the shipments with forecast were price XXXX. No X% financial very details. of which the with exceeded chemicals second third and the good and of announced and up XXXX now with back-to-school and and very X% down and prices turn quarter operations planned, XXXX for demand. was excellent versus third previously versus and managed converting versus usage, Bob operating well above Volume second levels, XXXX. X% quarter strong I'll as levels increases to quarter Our up efficiency material more energy. And it over were machine

Robert Mundy

significant pension million. totaled totaled of during included Mark. provided payments Thanks, $XX operations $XXX flow The free the with expenditures quarter cash million. during $XXX million, Common by more quarter million liquidity XX payments quarter approximately and stock post-employment the $XXX for $X.X cash We and on capital federal ended million, of Cash $XX the billion. $XXX dividends was million including other and tax $XXX and for benefit contributions. September securities, million our of with state income marketable cash,

Lastly, this year our due that made for adjustments Mill annual changed the maintenance planned earlier. outage DeRidder to has outage Mark expense the to to slightly referred

The fourth turn guidance. previous is estimate year share to the and per $X.XX third back per guidance was now is The or the quarter per $X.XX our our Mark. unfavorable $X.XX to share favorable or quarter $X.XX for share. I'll the estimate new it $X.XX total over outage for impact to

Mark Kowlzan

Thanks, Bob.

strong, expect to third segment fourth containerboard quarter, day per corrugated remain demand from in we move into as ahead, and slightly volume. the our Packaging to and we higher shipments strengthen with the Looking continuing

attempt With in corrugated However, total Florida. build damage, to recent the for by strawberry levels, impacted crops prior also shipping the shipments the be inventory less below X target inventory to business current hurricane will our and will some days we year-end. containerboard

please. mix are continued the the seasonally expected rich third share Considering expect costs segment, earnings third realization from we higher be I prices, shipments be quarter. that and involve inherent you on like expect converting that, factors higher the risk costs expressed the per compared estimates, to by higher to from $X.XX be quarter, quarter including seasonal based be to estimated slightly our we'd Scheduled on that, the flat. Operating should prices could of on be Jamie, made XX-K fairly versus subsequent depreciation quarterly entertain in and to the current items, as the previously in the expense $X.XX are we've these while and direction seasonally questions, announced costs and statements Form must price remind to than export Actual and those stronger filed with We chemical economy statements call quarter, of energy the In up for on fourth our were projections Form per some and and do those share. With outage happy any higher also. statements. statements. With The differ driven call questions, materially with costs. the risks should and I'd but XX-Q of results will mix lower uncertainties, although a third the report expectations less increases Paper and increase, reports open annual the of forward-looking forward-looking SEC. the identified in constituted and company

Operator

from today [Operator Instructions] of comes George Staphos Our first Bank America. question from

George Staphos

you for in to markets color to EBITDA ] any or you, had actual? favorable -- getting provide you quarter, on the what congratulations of lines traction? Second out your mix bit your of bookings could so or the about first seeing And want with question I shade sort you standard, how fourth or the about incrementally talk in brown guess talked of and whatever future? for are growth versus you And I is about for you're overall if where some adjustment you per progress and the for didn't workday results question billings [ quarter a the start so and outlook I end talk whatever earnings growth most to are and you had, or product Can impacting and least far. can the market, implications make terms Gentlemen, speak, certainly guidance. had last it

Thomas Hassfurther

Tom. is take question. this I'll George, that

a 'XX. of X% basis, day up First little bookings versus a all, are billings our over just and on per

a nice bit about as end and your a continue growth mix be question to we in involved So mode. The very well. growth little regarding markets

we have to other that's ago. and of That some stores e-commerce course, continues So number got that seeing that and growing difference others. of that the the mentioned we're anything talk board. probably grow end by markets box let biggest times some data-wise lot this seeing of years a you a out across me big our we're now and into first are where that about customers there e-com is customers evidenced I've the And area than of a many right regarding stuff. segment And e-com of lot more growth the nicely, and perhaps, that see

related, POP point-of-purchase of so and that, And hand, some the lot a things online then like that displays flat. on pretty is other mix, graphics are shopping. And of those which

consumer past one we same that's kind well we've about another are quite segments growing flat last our of few and and area spending because thing at of non-durables, So of over durables that have. right now, it's talked certainly got from consumers in years. as the the as haven't nicely business because the we the area performed least been as of the And pretty where

of that understanding of seeing. enough hopefully, -- you what So we're and we gives where hopefully are gives you that kind

George Staphos

that Can CapEx to in that's the Tom, little to as capital And to year, any I'll out it's turn comparisons like over. keep crop you last mean volume? you bit guess to damage you given are? you'd look next the might ramp have of about how 'XX, need I what one, do talk tough to investment great. out growth looking you working the to whether a my terms it

Thomas Hassfurther

a of crop the Yes, little very great big unknown George, It's to how going all Florida. a for is, And course, be. damage severe us. that's question. the market state spotty of it's Number that's over is a one

of full that the plants year come anticipate next a and replanting. the that first to now they're to would a we going at do those So of of because bleeding the the in end young. during is All be fourth crop quarter into would come quite lot quarter in were going to have traditionally quarter fourth

to a relative damage. And we're and us the that. invest many, what of and I've as do where invest, we lot CapEx caused need to investments, the said many continuing that's times, So to customers

all an serviced just done demand. our sure way they've And demand. making we in of great One that we've we've associates of a had our the employees I surge need great what this the going and about they our service with capital a quality job customers projects on of to is of done lot job commentary of because unbelievably while had the have said products that they be

Mark Kowlzan

And have July XX year, rebuilds, plant box corrugators, on the at keeping as our we major projects lines. with converting system with new in line that worked commentary, will this within least said George, corrugated on we new major call,

we're out believe, next call, X.X, will it's to engaged we are to over I forward, said big out plants July, plans more the we We Arizona books January we'll will these of in announced Glendale, just going this we've at start we continue where the the X build July. This today. the heavily the also. a that on new been next the operations be new plants. couple call, in of early As up pace but capability talk then on -- in has building point in this about in year. years reinvestment driven got the the And in But this

capital packaging have and for year's all last just plant system, customers. or the new to some out either cases, the box billion building spending the many capability these we on The almost $X in of cases and even this include we you over spent plants quality over X produce recapitalizing quadrupled And plants. that. would in years, box If increased

and And on That's have. let grow so we that that take to what gives ability the customers. not momentum going our us care up of we're to

Operator

from comes question next Mike Truist. Our Roxland from

Michael Roxland

good Mark, Tom And a Bob. on quarter. congrats Thanks, really and

year? early half this Your your your we stealth should that the peers Or health normalize? second and volumes outpace peers. think ] play growth of year, [ that and your Is could continue doing about volumes the when next given out to And nearest are should [ restructurings longer and even something occur should that ongoing how next industry ]? larger

Thomas Hassfurther

then a that most I we every can of -- customers. think where Mike, And very that get looking a but our able I grow we within now, able we're is opportunities outside to happen that right our comes desirable opportunities we revenue. in Certainly, growth our our of plan opportunity we customers. deliver. way of perform well, advantage of be lot existing we're something they to And for to those think for take as remain. will get And profitably to

It's to we'll what mentioned many and path, that confident profitable times, down efficiencies next get given capital of made based a our starting We but the this jump we especially the and lot to a I've as question no customers -- do us are hope objective fact go on do, not there's that opportunities is Now that it, revenue And going us tougher. growth key it year. expenditures as have a build -- they provides our year, -- comps to are asked will of and continue we very it big well. and that come. our I'm and

Mark Kowlzan

quarter. what probably year's the fourth Mike, fourth about up forget prior fourth don't year's quarter Tom said over were just we last I X.X% comps, X% last year's think to the quarter,

is big the very up calling So comp. a X% is over

PCA outgrowing trend. Packaging a if back of track decade you the on year-over-year, we look and our that customers on over decade, years, also continuing record significantly after XX has again, last the So intend side

Michael Roxland

are you. happening based historically great It of industry. just the in sounds what pieces Tom, a Mark, had Got at said, peers, you on you than That's moving probably your could given faster like probably that color. rate outgrow that some out the you

Thomas Hassfurther

and kind us to competitors want our really just forward. because compare -- I that on and I are. stay focused ourselves on stay -- don't demands focused our And basically don't we we takes of are, to opportunities our what Mike, what their that want customers to

Michael Roxland

then Got quick one you. follow-up. And

some details, next out said mentioned you put looking build you're the plants years. new over to Just [indiscernible] out more few you you Mark,

You share X could mentioned years? in you you're over particular box you what January. more details new looking regarding could those those us regions accomplish to X to plants, Anything and next with with plants now Anything on new the share markets?

Mark Kowlzan

more you give January. No. We'll details in

Operator

from Our question comes Wells from Gabe Fargo. next Hajde

Gabe Hajde

us little in good marrying wanted in investing a with have maybe inventories. of little seems I been 'XX, One maybe lighter bit a HX and HX you HX system on second, the you of function production I outage a course, I versus having Mark, bit little the that. marginal seemingly that's that's really of guys the up to maintenance to in that can the or world, us side. it outage? swing But made the tons a mean, bit in And business. for congrats XX,XXX quarter. performance. comments on something know, difficulty about of the on again, like give dig about contribution a outside diligent like you schedule question. rebuild Mark, is, comment a the about the maintenance the on don't sense Two-part And

okay about or being your being kind How be? core ability thought plan over-integrated, paper terms of the before could maybe side, red in some now seemingly hitting talked but you me. the in You've you're of containerboard right what buy in there line market could long excuse open on the of terms

Mark Kowlzan

questions think you that question. XX I in Gabe, X asked

routine First spring machine the frankly, as time that any of up we at types work, forget calling Jackson boiler of of you all, to just mills. on mills schedule, routine take outages Jackson. work, we the have the at rebuild normal curve work the outages inspect, But phase we're to then annual annual through of at to year, planning where we're as efforts. where those machine XXXX down, it the effort. year, wanted But And for get be. won't days' our clean, worth turbine for far of the don't lighter finish had where next about just outage last we That the up was learning it massive outage the XX-some-odd

lighter be significantly in ought regard calling were that we that. year in out it a a that's lot of without implying details, but to So what

the us. As far supply as never into the containerboard underestimate market,

plans will how the discussion take that we we internally have of We long-term on care day. have every customers at our

that years, and place grow to to I want say customers' confident next about take that. all few That's in great we're be I'm for of going So really a the our care needs.

Gabe Hajde

I And do ] you what on on leverage sheet. basis? opportunities mention $XXX guess, a see on repurchase, maybe, go-forward million, think, capital for I with share -- any the a balance just of Bob, didn't the then, But you sort Okay. position, [ the

Robert Mundy

be But as that's, answer our Well, better capital again, you to always we opportunistic the that, the we looking as spending share And be and makes allocate plans. repurchases. capital, know, our how return one what with the Gabe. Mark our for shareholders, evaluate we strategic sense for -- may as biggest for can

unless Mark, So I that's something think how you that's we'll continue. different, have

Mark Kowlzan

Yes.

And think our at I lines. when the corrugators identified then other this the the year, within opportunity out, opportunities was million. some think $XXX Phoenix area, with number spend, plans and converting you original called we went saw new some some look capital we if plus I Glendale, up, specifically, down in of the for number we that

that's our believe best way take our opportunities, excess advantage tend we use the of. support continue into very here. up cash. cash I these out It's are runway now. frankly, the going call I the investors the to do we a and agree to within But our million going high of and So But return opportunities sit is accretive to they for of And got very, as system. right the the to million right a we're now. believe, we've And rest $XXX portfolio handle valuable, of do year, closer $XXX-some-odd those

Operator

from Research question Our Mark next Seaport Partners. comes Weintraub from

Mark Weintraub

great Congrats on another quarter.

lines Where of little et pretty quarter? kind bit third cetera, just production, up opportunities following Was full increase. third Wallula in up terms in a full in I along the containerboard the were operate Were So to quarter? running the out? you and of of and you maybe

Mark Kowlzan

up the Yes. All last running were year. mills and

back startup finished complete we Wallula I And the then up. brought the Wallula January, think with we recall, mill. in the you'll of of startup If

we though, we've again, at out Wallula full the don't forget, And essentially, year. big then have So shutdown run Jackson. this

disruption. So that was a big

but -- the optimization -- mills. at could expect, we never still. sit you on so as always working And all of opportunities We're

our And continue out think news I good customers' for so the on the into these in should years. very that we corrugated say, from side, advantage assets effective, years of run a very the will to continue. good where is containerboard a of the few tons taking manner confident very the future efficient I'm planning to and But come we've plan supply then will -- needs and got next where I the

Mark Weintraub

it Understood. to there type internal at the significant least perhaps? internally smaller is going are more be Or Jackson potentially projects opportunities? across And board

Mark Kowlzan

identified quickly. We've time spending combination. received right share paper Counce by early a XXXXs capital got We've the frankly. some the mill years few in got that the projects in It's XXXXs, now, of a quite and ago. machines that's the lion's pretty system XX goes

we've machine a to example spend right And opportunity. customers supply. really opportunities had as much how then to on years, that the another to we is incremental another things few in how to machine terms in to you But the paper got so we a want and look take for some machine capability capital #X at an out depending very And on has that. Valdosta machine future of in with of years. Counce that the good incremental containerboard of if to do next example, the years the place of we're in care now, adding future get

Mark Weintraub

little now it going margins been basically, least in you. my segment that a great segment? in now it I what might strong as deserves that's facility just Paper as of based at How The that for ever is the the because you margin-wise were numbers you've Falls and EBITDA attention, I on Right. Falls, been that's just the much phenomenally a paper did I it's been quarter. always through else versus And on have everything going guess

Mark Kowlzan

producing no, mill. But level. uncoated the at to we of Falls. of probably and the copy mill is that year capitalized great It's well the the a X machine and type blend couple had converting cut and years great ago grades, we paper. management, in XX% a a and Yes, close that But on hitting cylinders, tons have XX% It's freesheet of a all that That's X I same X was place production. quarter XXX,XXX believe I the great is employees. size for it's of

rationalized of we market, Boise we're business converting paper continue assets. So that that. And a advantage in were place we'll the as we to good with take and the just

Mark Weintraub

Appreciate it.

X quick Just one. real last

I think you annual mentioned next year, might lower outages? $X.XX for be you would If be right, maintenance I outage what year. heard normal this maintenance saying that you're for

Robert Mundy

outage if we next it's volume a additional tons Yes, look in it there's production and incremental higher from year, probably of don't Mark, next XXX,XXX it sort normal than earlier a included right know, -- that, Jackson you to yes, to just schedule this close year. with just it year, year, our high I of on next at touched year in change Mark now with normal. this But was obviously, at level, anticipate

So a of get and probably ballpark. of using take as would normal off the $X.XX, that's that way to at a that good what's sort

Operator

Our from Ng Jefferies. from comes next question Phil

Philip Ng

on strong quarter. Congrats another

this are up more little what where And You're off? see and operating could the at XXXX, you're but and inefficiencies us, a drag comps, of costs bit that starting color, When look flip it's this kind And the of noticeably. be then how elevated? called and good year-over-year I guess, I Any to a some was think Bob, level a guy? shutdowns certainly tougher you stepped we maybe for you guys year. out lapping Jackson seeing

Robert Mundy

sequentially, the I your obviously, see of we that. that of it a somewhat out high sort higher, quarter's for very of and level lot obviously Well, didn't with that at the cost Phil, all a slightly think played several that's inflation We answer quarters. on on first -- been said call, increase going to question, way last stable, but

and not you're did to year-over-year, this we quarter keep If have Wallula, year, run that of we did to year. referring in last you third mind

we and and this you highest brought when down, quarter So $XX that close that incur probably mill, you're this for cost indirects year a last. to versus of of direct on, that year, lot alone, in million with along bring shut variable our things third you don't cost just there's

Philip Ng

you you're set XXXX, Could when good and with that of And be starting a about operating as you off. of guy level cost out, to next that all kind see think Okay. kind year? level pointed that

Robert Mundy

mean keep side to in talk mind, about that see effect jump Obviously, and quarter lot things, year always, see. go we sort I first on salary first we'll of benefits of because have as in that the the a a was into the have with fringes the you'll reload big of every quarter. of you increases

of if next hopefully, now, reason for would next the a moderated too jump few see to fourth for right don't expect But down. But costs us they to bode we lot year. you'll So and for of we don't But first. while that alone, hopefully, for a obviously, -- going that get far ahead have well quarters, ourselves guidance. regarding

Philip Ng

OCC just costs call to a Anything sort could And come in some that of has been bad out energy more else of of terms little inputs, bit, seeing big down trend-wise? little you're favorable. the a

Robert Mundy

the just than X you mentioned, are be right fairly Like to No. things other somewhat I -- said, now, seem stable Phil.

Philip Ng

little than fourth by the much per guidance, have In your you perhaps fully great. about box expected, out, through anticipated we price/mix, that now? your kind when a box is do think, better that the expected? a all mix? as coming implemented price you quarter Was more pretty than as pointed realization Or than you better That's was And more well. quicker price I XQ we increases of you Okay. think little

Thomas Hassfurther

price earlier. On Tom. is because Phil, everybody this to -- remind to this here there relative was about discussion increase, some box I'm the going

by to we've gone sure same hasn't by it We And the approach every single price and the disciplined through. customer, item, a track always timing box one do we get of changed. And of make them have that properly. we and It's very timing they our increase. that implemented

third the will the quarter. We have of through it lion's share

of have some fourth and that actually trigger will couple quarter, We into annually. tracking a the contracts

have done by a bit, an pretty as very, that's we've efficiently, it as certainly has us it's helped And of we'll the very implemented fourth how well. changed and very and had we've end think much good figuring our of certainly And produce that -- out I impact. job little mix, the has effectively quarter. So this -- a that to mix --

Philip Ng

contracts make triggers And I annual triggering to quarter? it or sure that in fourth the Tom, XQ want these did comment. I just that trigger in understand

Thomas Hassfurther

a ones year. The are on calendar couple annual of

trigger at 'XX. January So they'll

Operator

Anthony Citigroup. Our next from question comes Pettinari from

Anthony Pettinari

you maybe really some more really on I'm overhyped? ability than about incremental just think wins you about a the you're bit positioned business the you you the comment that industry wondering would mix talked recycled-based next And e-commerce. recycled. years. Is like about business? but tons Do virgin or Tom, some have you curious, few new the your PCA recycled maybe that and in think adding than into debottlenecking maybe existing differently been mix XX swing kind U.S., hold you maybe weighted, has growth as Or historically, to virgin this over and in the how trend X, in taken of is whether ago? there? versus of of kind or has lightweight just maybe recycled if that have Or the years can business kind

Thomas Hassfurther

been that, about needs. to a us done in as that lightweights done to put really any in much the mills, look whatever us. we things past, even talked -- we the we've in have customer and be the we things run performance and some at able to And important that's Anthony, -- position significant like to is better we've

We like the market those that. whatever and not that to or somewhat whatever boards. XXX% We particular like react the the needs I again, the of we it apart important. we're actually about And do not us the work -- basis, Now their are, any think is recycled has particular really a competitive anything performance market. directly always that anything we're And able now it's and just customer from and very the to demands us way grade meet and well needs don't industry, on to needs. able or to whatever set other recycled -- that a But are customer purposeful to a do taking that a that's take most the advantage. and gives it

Anthony Pettinari

makes of of you And to still of about the I sense. build outage, in of shortfall target kind to XQ is inventory other but to want that like earlier on were issues a stronger-than-expected inventories, inventories? just make Okay. below plan understand, that expectations maybe Or to sure technical lot ahead driven that about there just That's issues, inventories talked On DeRidder you relative levels. by operational led that you really helpful. kind talked demand? I October any

Mark Kowlzan

not of Yes. see expect demand. talking been have I was inventory in coming to by that to We we've close experienced. And driven anywhere we year, not this about kind we've be. building where did the mean near and we it growth yet year all should succeeded

lower not the with their place how bad production a that's of Everybody some machine on And to it's bad be ways, to place minute every the so is though, critical to system. keeps knows inventory be. everybody that a And toes. in not

everybody So is engaged. fully

Operator

[Operator Charlie from Instructions] question our next And Paribas. from BNP comes Muir-Sands

Charlie Muir-Sands

just one actually. I remaining got

in to think? data new either. or insight earlier, particularly coming existing little want to of color but growth strength haven't around new volumes sequentially where reported clients, yet particular quarter-on-quarter. we you just incremental You just clients, on the that get business in Could clients? I bit business is is of a peers appreciate, existing haven't you share obviously the existing your or coming from or do it touched indeed as and got some terms any industry I from, whether that

Thomas Hassfurther

from and number we customers do you you as existing tell have I the you quality product you're primary deliver comes it our our within well. that the to will when that important it think really you That's is because bring other when there. in growing very existing customers. is our say target. be such I you fortunate our marketplace actually that have add played and going produce recognize enough reputation one that's customers to clients a we value and Charlie, But been

Operator

our And Bloomberg. from Fox Ryan from comes question today final

Ryan Fox

costs. operating and little Can more maybe costs about higher the you converting a bit elaborate

firmly there. of hanging what to mentioned, out have that attributed of may that you was have the I that? maybe think from may Wallula, had come but to majority else curious see X/X Just

Robert Mundy

pretty be OCC pass costs, part fronts. benefits are in that large then would to those lot on a building year. Yes, would types taxes, things incur lot Ryan. the versus higher service those Obviously, labor things other well rentals, That's be is higher of And -- and that And they a fees, all about those other component. of a costs a costs much Insurance, outside and last number. us on another lot component. of professional the get as that of don't they talked the

Ryan Fox

Got theoretically? seemed almost containerboard much tons. quarter do more it. per And you for How lastly, record have a like available of million kind X.X guess, I production, quarter

Mark Kowlzan

get won't into We that.

to to of that the take years. got Just suffice plenty capability care for customers say it our next we've of few

Operator

question America. from do George Staphos have of follow-up we And a from Bank

George Staphos

that To A do with the about and extent think in the like supply If or next productivity stack you to and able serve terms you and counts optimization think existing of we get X X you'll where about mills, quick rank you your be would across comment. in we those purchases, outside conversions categories, growth how stack said, or Valdosta paper? how a paper had the the to expect X can one. to rank the you you years

Mark Kowlzan

next currently it's next the it be we years, system. few doing the within just For some optimizing our And bigger will then what have. over projects year,

next that a thought few years runway so good we've here. And for we've already out got the again,

if I out more believe Jamie, Okay. But if anybody there's are we've With -- got any questions, there there? that, else time.

Operator

more see Mr. do at are have this you there closing Kowlzan, time, comments. I no questions

Mark Kowlzan

us joining great a good fourth at the Thank holiday end and season. rest and today. with the XXXX day January you a time Have for full I year everybody's you we when of the review quarter. to the of really look forward and appreciate talking Thank you.

Operator

Ladies conference joining. and thank do call for and gentlemen, with that, you we'll We today's presentation. conclude

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