POCI - Earnings call transcript Q4 2024 | Precision Optics Corporation, Inc.

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Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Precision Optics Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Robert Blum with Lytham Partners. Please go ahead.

Robert Blum

Thank you very much, Gary, and everyone, joining the call today.

As the operator mentioned, on today's call, we will discuss Precision Optics' fourth quarter and fiscal year 2024 financial results for the period ending June 30, 2024. call company the is on us representing today the Dr. With Officer; Precision Optics' Forkey, and Chief Joe Executive Mr. the Coll, Wayne company's Chief Financial Officer.

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Joseph Forkey

and you, call fiscal thank our joining year to Robert, our for quarter Thank discuss you and XXXX results. fourth all today

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not development As were production significant the two discontinued: products programs facing fiscal through need to our included redesigned we XXXX. revenue our record-setting customer orders. XXXX. communicated burn million by was spinal that which and past exited we up This or pullback additional represented excess product inventory two placing year, of long-time that that over a our fiscal our program XXXX, These aerospace that in $X.X for loss they had defense, programs before programs the built one, customer when surgery in were were approximately and fiscal we product forward few in moving

the reduction in in business. a of approximately $X.X our revenue in XXXX saw quarter of year-over-year overall division over optics components revenue the of in fiscal these starting In fiscal million. in Optical drop told, XXXX a This sharp a XXXX. reduction $X by starting represented with base Ross million industry, All addition, slowdown situations caused fiscal first a an had

fiscal was revenue that programs While This from production succeeded May this certainly we development product record-breaking in progress product number made into a by pipeline by successfully development revenue for bringing year-over-year. million development our and segment order base and a the our of XXXX, on challenging we nearly moving programs record XX% rebuilding business of our announced growing production with new the pipeline. in $X this punctuated by into product

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in increase years over Marketing, and Jeff platform XX imaging during Clay company, during from invest capabilities, our to small Vice of top Senior support systems. This digital and many I larger business. new begun some by a by and critical largest, fiscal Scientific talent of Jeff played to our in as sales now want overall companies and his operational of also than strengthen led the industry's To former product support medical has in along positions the medical us device DiRubio, in we recovery Clay and new market of take to over our more VP tenure. continued engineering has management Boston team our growing previous in XXXX, product the our taken our ongoing with from well of marketing to managed infrastructure Schwabe. opportunity marketing for a line device revenue we the in space the new our as and experience developing Medtronic. management extensive XXX% rollout this that is sales interest the President, recognize Beyond Clay has of to our development helping our being who of team draws experience years. effort, increase team on added have with role sales and Sales

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manufacturing decision year while Maine of Massachusetts As made part Imaging to of maintaining our optical excellence. engineering last house location digital Lighthouse center an in we office the integration and consolidate our business, of the imaging to systems all the in

and but to transition product running the this Massachusetts, have We final now next all we programs expect one our of of in months. couple production in

senior updated employees our have particularly area, from hiring We Massachusetts, Maine for folks this moving management engineering. manufacturing structure roles resources, additional redefining and some in to some

All beyond. XXXX are positioned support growth told, we well and expect during to the fiscal we

take from complex Optical what customer separate see to business revenue we top-tier in and We highly optical started more in QX QX particularly impacted At and detail, for in now things many development, we micro-optics contribution streams: going the off strong of of production, with laboratory. optical QX product in QX revenue me coming manufactured defense few minutes revenue fiscal programs a assembly where and discuss, the Let have a our our in four labs, years. manage micro-optics $X.X for happened systems Ross XXXX of that beyond. we the in QX a latter part and million a

from In announced order April, we follow-on a this customer.

the $X move that $XXX,XXX, the through was than revenue larger almost that lower nature of the rates order lower process, grow as million this Given from revenue of production order. about we this QX. program starts with QX therefore

and production of development the we this Within growth expected For from these the the $XXX,XXX the XX from and second is that systems product continued production, during from to from fiscal programs. which And quarters shutdown revenue recover program, XXXX, approximately months. to the otoscopy we Two achieved first has transition complete third significant of $XXX,XXX our and pandemic. our last QX in optical are QX of for programs to X order. expect revenue pipeline

programs doubled, quarter, expected the were continue QX through well and would ramp from increasing approximately $X beyond. three QX All we part output production running of they to fourth in these The three from to nearly early nearly million QX. and in the $XXX,XXX in

still some challenges point experienced increases quarters, in they ramped all as to indicators significant programs While these we've of couple in up. next have the

specification potential the into middle product we longer The tools August measurement these of itself. in went existing the first We In until operators when and than of is been failure, second shipping production year, defense additional training be QX, our XXXX. by program however, production and to Duplicating had our in QX aerospace we these determined saturate a of fixtures testing QX. steadily expected not identified line. ramping during and and technique took fiscal issues the to began quarter our that customer with new a problem continued but of this customer later used acceptance the resolved in the

starting some stop This measuring tight QX to, temporary higher tolerances this at available approximately by to line we a the that most million. product that investigation, building is we expect tolerances during week contribute equipment revenue can production news, and QX. to the a is in which however, are customer of measured reduced the the restarted $X.X be the an of ordered of indication extremely today. only fully approximately production on $XXX,XXX with good last sophisticated The revenue level Unfortunately,

deliveries confidence follow-on Importantly, us new was to even production for had year, QX. later our orders while customer give stopped the during this

a program began product. new that The was bit in the second into QX production laparoscopy stalled year last in but went robotic January. Production

we expected, delivered QX variable of lot in resulted units, QX. to lower experienced from have in significant shipments in This a lot. we than also number While and yield both have

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result, not the we of deliver QX. produced a were able units we to all As in

to more of shipments run that the expectations end expect quarter beyond depending at market regular increase on by significantly per may approximately penetration. with this 'XX be $XXX,XXX and in a rate fiscal QX We of

of impact QX expected in QX revenue reduced our approximately $X.X million. overall in challenges and will by impact and $X.X $XXX,XXX, revenue between the million three $X.X resulting revenue approximately QX The these negatively programs by million

$X.X the in a production major few the imaging other to revenue been production When announced last this anticipated fiscal forecast, customer The that product just approximately demand we their assembly we order transitioned from up million single-use for $X receive months in program increasing May. endoscopic XXXX would we order, our already is With development million. record and that have pulling we in their deliveries. be ramping

single-use We ongoing for manufacturing program expect estimate high ongoing revenue of $X.X per to impetus at second the market. and consistent are currently the hope use provides of performance delivering end could strategic on efficient points Based market strong a of a at manufacturing XXXX. details achieve POC customers' to result production continue more at This endoscope market, this approximately line million up order in scale in our future. provide be in we with and technical quarter fiscal will $XXX,XXX to that updated rate standing for price with ultimately the platform to soon. advantage. on now provide demand an the dynamics endoscope single-use are grow We the in will able investments This our

production QX better higher exiting In systems running in supporting far levels are summary, shape for and will at and levels optical programs contribute beyond. at we with production expectations much that QX the

is This of as imaging development stronger we segment, ever, XXXX, robust the to to which the on device continue faster. strong regular the is to Xx XX% opportunities our product even and add As growing we is X% medical pipeline which as is single-use a start a of new overall Xx growing per year strength at market, indicator basis. fiscal and

as we for continuing with engineering support can than we have are recruit more team. existing we the We believe talent to opportunities

to competitive that launch specification. This risk specifically POC's well-qualified will new years this the to an marketplace customers platform engineered design As from call, the few engineering provide components and of starting entice hardware I to this We on reduce product into of utilize received, development limited programs. provides path point already as their well accelerated to to many product The baseline can last of a Customers has existing gives customers this of baseline draw customers now because systems less be on concept customer's these a product a our for high-margin as can advantage resource our select approach. a into pre-existing family have to and us been to coming choose our offering Financially, that product. customers. mentioned development a we our customers of developed development offer three new pipeline. have in based this and we very software market our experience, may from a designs, baseline designs which an then act platform a set new call

the with become We of the proceed months. medical expect believe we help approach next-generation Systems. coming in us to to choice provider Ultimately, device, Digital launch Imaging this will formal more for a

Ross up product deliveries accept into the is in for now of of many calendar feeling have This pick see attitude orders. with customers is beginning our consistent again beginning to starting the XXXX. will Finally, to impact delayed begin that are who industry some industry-wide we follow-on general optical the the business division sales, slowdown in months, the just although still place to component Optical in

budget to rebound hopefully We in are and increasing accelerate for its fiscal Optical marketing XXXX. our Ross in magnify order

depressed resolved. QX ongoing from QX believe production revenue three largely To summarize, are we programs that issues and

a deliveries expect ramp. order against $X We to for endoscope assembly continue imaging million the to single-use production

pipeline compared higher to development continue to slightly we to product quarters. and expect at record levels revenue revenue recent We our Optical Ross similar continue near division expect or rates at

and Taken XXXX. see support in before fiscal together, strong in these revenues quarterly the that of with a we sharp QX record expectations our increase will end revenue confidence

over I'll now turn the call to review the Wayne to financials.

Wayne Coll

Thank you, Joe.

Joe's starting some of Let comments on results, me the financial expand on with revenue.

was year, technology onetime million of million, results revenue the $XXX,XXX license For of revenue. $X.X decrease year. year's last Last a $XX.X from included

a and million this, Excluding with year X.X% XXXX. a business, level was to started revenue. a loss XX% as fiscal development to XXXX year-over-year of that previous recovery significant revenue posted of fiscal engineering compared programs was XX%. XXXX $X.X of major revenue, product of of segment a which the This A fiscal accomplishment representing we $X the revenue our representing or or at contributor pipeline down record year million, is increase about

$X Looking specifically here. the at last Joe X%. decrease the commented fourth quarter, drivers on already revenue was $X.X year, million key has compared million to of a

and With the costs absorption fixed production, Lower revenues Ross by Optical margins. saw revenue of which the $X.X $X pullback we certain in overall revenue to impacted reduced specifically gross less by year, margin for our million gross in related million.

gross year, last the compared XX% XX% For margins to were year.

have license been range. margins the would gross year's last in mid-XX% Excluding revenue, the

last challenges fourth also to quarter year's led which gross particularly to the by were in ramp-up XX% impacted For Joe XXXX, margins quarter. only not compared summarized, fourth but was the gross lower reduced fiscal revenue, of fourth quarter margin. XX% significantly The

onetime recognized resulting charges fourth also the revenues margin We raw expect We value and in to to the stabilize unfavorable inventories. as quarter recover processes adjustments of quickly in production COGS increase. our do carrying materials from gross

for last QX, There compared there in year. compared costs expenses a million a ago. $X.X the also Operating million million last to year to QX year compared for $X.X and $X.X that million to few year, $X.X renew were were are

this a First, past focus year. have on put as Joe mentioned, recruiting we

expenses. we During in approximately had quarter, $XXX,XXX personnel-related the fourth onetime

are to engineers, investments this growth. especially up achieving target getting utilization. our new in and the long-term of people, expense, speed there's Beyond specific These cost

new the we investment Second, platform higher but impacts to anticipated positive strong will our internal of also significant believe years, expenses R&D and platform quarters that rollout were near term. product incurred in the with compared that sales we product earlier the have in a represent

have production been in manufacturing increase of the the expansion we possible facilities. with Third, volume, our exploring

not the best during $XX,XXX area we concluded how expenses approximately with needs on quarter. in to this fourth did our We yet investment costs, balance incur in have but growth

of compared last during result $XXX,XXX a net was to a year. $X million our loss lower As XXXX the fiscal revenue, loss

net compared For loss was year's million loss last the to fourth quarter. fourth quarter, a $X.X in the $XX,XXX

excludes depreciation compared which million XXXX of EBITDA, fiscal in interest amortization, and to was compensation, stock-based positive Adjusted $X.X expense, EBITDA adjusted year. last negative a $XXX,XXX

For and in hit the to quarter, biggest fourth and driver expenses lower fixed negative with the $XXX,XXX expenses, that onetime had operating million we the was compared operating $X.X the last year. manufacturing revenue adjusted largely Again, fourth EBITDA here quarter. along negative

year, our to approximately for goals quarterly breakeven upcoming million, with be expect quarter second aligned to we look we expectations $X.X achieve levels which our EBITDA the is and for revenue the As beyond. adjusted revenue

close participation million XX, capital. completed After the working the of Our past we cash registered our and August, to supplement directors year, included common this offering from at balance was $XXX,XXX XXXX, June $X.X which officers stock, of a direct

This high submissions well have the for the As in are included FDA retention our evaluating the physical as business of are degree we model strong and the of financial as very as of customers. and revenue the consolidation, and our will that expansion likelihood result supported long-term return of support we by as is efficiencies will to key the of to and facilities is embedded earlier, growth recurring in drive technologies alternatives of alluded are our them our relocation a the result invested the high We scale. production on in single-use attractive products our capital. customer high in we to focus believe

in invest manufacturing physical time, methods expectations, well for both our we efficiencies. as over on Based growth as will, capacity

alternatives will multiple the confident of model financing appropriate investments. business afford us for are attractiveness We the

some call comments. to Joe the over for turn now will final back I

Joseph Forkey

summarize, challenging was made we a lower $XXX,XXX base while To program progress year, bit revenue fourth than fiscal to in rebuilding fourth the came quarter during substantial Wayne. quarter about that impacted This you, expectations. was certainly delays XXXX year. few by in Thank a the our by caused initial a revenue And revenue our $XXX,XXX.

of these to $X.X $X.X of Some resolved. expect of these of also million most as issues today, to be will fiscal issues in But which revenue, range quarter XXXX been the impact million. have first we

defense visibility hold the our and quarterly will have and of strong program that also top leverage before All in Coupled of optimistic revenues put improve starting now in with week. business substantial in on production temporary QX, profitability see of was growth grow that in a This a We growing our line last revenues record we we XXXX. of higher QX fixed the program starting our both in up again bottom and line with programs, single-use due other we re-ramp that the fiscal confidence to number see significantly end are in costs will to very XXXX. should fiscal model. all, aerospace performance

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Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Robert Blum

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Joseph Forkey

Yes.

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Robert Blum

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Joseph Forkey

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Wayne Coll

Yes.

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Robert Blum

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Joseph Forkey

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Robert Blum

Great. Okay.

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Joseph Forkey

Yes, sure.

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Robert Blum

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Joseph Forkey

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Robert Blum

questions additional no show I Well, Great. here, right. Joe. All

you So over for any closing to I remarks. will turn it

Joseph Forkey

Thank all very much. soon. Have you, Thank you forward to of I us Robert. look everyone, for Okay. the Thanks a good call joining to evening. on today. speaking you,

Operator

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Precision Optics (POCI) 30 Sep 242024 Q4 Earnings call transcript