UWMC - Earnings call transcript Q1 2024 | UWM Holdings Corporation

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Operator

Good morning. My name is Krista, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the UWM Holdings Corporation First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]

Blake Kolo, you may begin your conference.

Blake Kolo

morning. Good Kolo, and Blake Relations. of Business Chief is Head Officer Investor This you welcome Corporation's UWM and joining Earnings the Thank us, XXXX to for First Quarter Call. Holdings

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Mathew Ishbia

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Andrew Hubacker

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Mathew Ishbia

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Operator

question [Operator Kyle with Joseph Instructions] Jefferies. comes first Your from

Kyle Joseph

a on your Mat, want quarter. Congrats great to perspective. just get I

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Mathew Ishbia

I side. appreciate the question. Yes, lot Kyle, the been Yes. a jumbo has of it on

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Kyle Joseph

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Mathew Ishbia

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Operator

comes question Hagen next the line with BTIG. from of Your Eric

Eric Hagen

second from they in April just how then I the mortgage we at you to rates? benchmark given margin were trying rates tick under for that looking certainly, guidance look mean, margin about you mean, The see up here just full what in think and see we go here? -- margin do even quarter. And further to were guidance, margin the that? the just to from quarter, that out, that of square in Just stability to stable relative do the the up That's to I saw how saw we when just if maybe lower, how if you how

Mathew Ishbia

the for Yes. Thanks question.

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that barrel wholesale the XX it's up. you of range. And this So to quarter, of further. drop now it XXX that a and that I based years, the see told I rates quarter kind felt XXX to to them range was going that continue to see sustain. I on up of where I as to XX last And right is the probably where I see bottom see margins. margins couple thing up And for when trend bump I

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Eric Hagen

helpful. Yes. That's really

I mean mean, talked in strength growth that outlook is some having here of thing participation momentum think side, Looking I and right? support the on just are fresh capital. opportunity, at have the way the I float, the to guys seem you trading start the the getting rest origination the should the we've how investors for opportunity given about to year? with stock, an one Raising maybe maybe the stock, you more in about the mean to

Mathew Ishbia

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Operator

comes Your from Harter of question next UBS. Doug with the line

Douglas Harter

purchases? Mat, side and in talk terms you're kind about selling of both what can the just season, demand in you of on supply new of kind seeing the side the spring

Mathew Ishbia

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Douglas Harter

talked Great. second about possibly of has thoughts into And how then, that opportunity large liens. could Kind your Mat, what getting Freddie product? are And around that Mac be?

Mathew Ishbia

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Operator

of question next Bose Your line the comes George KBW. with from

Bose George

done remind Mat, in can the from terms guys you can you of your the your some us some give could us And industry? programs? happen date that potential of on title in insurance of you thoughts title -- what have terms in changes cost reducing to

Mathew Ishbia

Thanks the Yes. question. for

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Bose George

And then That's Great. helpful. MSR. Okay. the one just on

So about like carrying to value relative fair talk on through sales, sale, the mark the price MSR you value MSR? sale the since just looks some went it that of the the can

Mathew Ishbia

are and right of mean, what at where line I is. is in moment, carrying our prices the depending value that with Yes. the interesting month are time rates on the

you. sometimes so little, sometimes been lose it's a with you And negative In general, a material pick up little positive, or a you be bit. not to honest

we where of because there we're out that one unattainable few that values, it's the carry maybe we're sale values some the in enough out right at know are others So market. think it that good carrying MSRs sell the actually to

Operator

of Your next with Capuzzi question comes Brad Piper Sandler. line from the

Bradley Capuzzi

to back the the scenario range this of are that the of you Just what just to spring that just bring it that sense going origination any end high would range? it different you the during us end of a year's And to can then selling would industry bring season? give seeing and guidance, low scenarios trends

Mathew Ishbia

a you hit in of mean, so I to once job I and I I range like again, the that range. Yes. think try guys -- feel middle guide that my is we'll give to the

to higher up so that down, see or a rates don't would at to honest billion of $XX it's obviously, hit enough really could what maybe good on it. below? I your us range rates help point. really go And exceed it interest go to happening And could spur think $XX up make the same be the lower end us at or you, range to a just I billion. with time, the

year, second last we quarter. think the billion I did in $XX about

last first we year's quarter. But we exceed exceeded a you we the year, big really quarter, number, And if back if numbers. be in had think quarter number second great year's at look I last so And can a that number. would last the

pick think I along hired part opportunity. we and margins handle will we volume time, people about so about, good haven't numbers do see at hiring drop numbers big hopefully, X ranges, we an really you profitable, for along with grown. And up tomorrow, be ready this. really the at UWM rates where speech And volumes, of very and our at to very are If And will the But where XX volumes same margins, and And rates these feel prepared when able we're these the drop in the at, in to successful we're prepared. significantly. drop. one about are feel to provided in we've good at can be we'll our on That's strategy way. as some talked months, we're been of at that capitalize a I these ready. be at earlier. drop the I they If rates and The in our thing business that If for ready ready. really we I are months,

Bradley Capuzzi

a just then And follow-up.

driven In And of how volume? initiatives out for you further the expect initiatives have you terms the increased that do roll forward? going has brokers, to pricing

Mathew Ishbia

Yes. win things we How How at everything. we one brokers And I for initiatives looking do tools. help more price so do loans? do help make mean, many we brokers? of are always the better those we just How grow? brokers the is

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Operator

management the at I call have turn our currently over We will back time. queue to remarks. for this no questions now in closing

Mathew Ishbia

going to questions. the for now, proud that in keep really we're of we're things. quarter this doing about too, great we're guys. you, the thank We're Well, quarter excited and Yes. right and Thanks

supporting the day. a for the you Thank you great appreciate UWM. we Have being and on call. questions So

Operator

disconnect. you your concludes you conference and now participation, This may for Thank today's call.

UWM (UWMC) 9 May 242024 Q1 Earnings call transcript